No watermen subsidy

We need all your taxes to subsidize the finance industry, not to protect watermen. The finance industry performs the vital service of moving money from account to account to account, which is why finance executives are entitled to multi-million-dollar bonuses when their companies fail. All watermen do is risk their lives to put food on our tables.

Let the free market take care of working people, so that government can take care of the billionaires who caused the crash!

Jim Crutchfield wrote:

We need all your taxes to subsidize the finance industry, not to protect watermen. The finance industry performs the vital service of moving money from account to account to account, which is why finance executives are entitled to multi-million-dollar bonuses when their companies fail. All watermen do is risk their lives to put food on our tables.
Let the free market take care of working people, so that government can take care of the billionaires who caused the crash!

This is a great point! I do see what you're sayiing here. Of course I didn't think we should subsidize greedy financiers and I don't think we need subsidize greedy watermen.

Matts AIDS wrote:

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You need to just die from your AIDS.

Nowadays you can live with AIDS but your very costly medicine needs to be subsidized .

This blog seems to be a case study in the short comings of unconstrained capitalism. We need rules to place limits on our individual choices to prevent greed from working against our own best interest.

Society needs to get organized.

First, there needs to be a pool of jobs which are always available but not critical to day to day operation of society to provide jobs on demand.

Then, we need to limit wanton destruction of resources by limits on resource consumption. That is, do not fish a species to extinction.

Next, we need an organization which will direct people to available jobs and coordinate retraining for new jobs as required. Free market advocates say that is a personal responsibility; but, the fact seems to be that the people who need it the most do not do well at managing this transition on their own.

Just a thought wrote:

This blog seems to be a case study in the short comings of unconstrained capitalism. We need rules to place limits on our individual choices to prevent greed from working against our own best interest.
Society needs to get organized.
First, there needs to be a pool of jobs which are always available but not critical to day to day operation of society to provide jobs on demand.
Then, we need to limit wanton destruction of resources by limits on resource consumption. That is, do not fish a species to extinction.
Next, we need an organization which will direct people to available jobs and coordinate retraining for new jobs as required. Free market advocates say that is a personal responsibility; but, the fact seems to be that the people who need it the most do not do well at managing this transition on their own.

We need our government to stop allowing so much development on the waterfront and killing or destroying the wetlands and polluting the rivers and bays so our seafood have a home to thrive.

Just a thought wrote:

This blog seems to be a case study in the short comings of unconstrained capitalism. We need rules to place limits on our individual choices to prevent greed from working against our own best interest.
Society needs to get organized.
First, there needs to be a pool of jobs which are always available but not critical to day to day operation of society to provide jobs on demand.
Then, we need to limit wanton destruction of resources by limits on resource consumption. That is, do not fish a species to extinction.
Next, we need an organization which will direct people to available jobs and coordinate retraining for new jobs as required. Free market advocates say that is a personal responsibility; but, the fact seems to be that the people who need it the most do not do well at managing this transition on their own.

This is just another variation on the oft-expressed socialistic viewpoint that we need lots of paternalistic government.

In this paradigm, citizens are children, and elected government officials, bureaucrats, and government workers are the parents.

Scribe wrote:

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This is just another variation on the oft-expressed socialistic viewpoint that we need lots of paternalistic government.
In this paradigm, citizens are children, and elected government officials, bureaucrats, and government workers are the parents.

I love how you want to simplify socialism into a "them" and "us" viewpoint. It's the same thing people like Sarah Palin like do to with their "Dogonnit you don't want the government in charge of things they mess everything up!". It's that mindset that misleads uneducated Americans into believing a government that provided healthcare, subsidies, and education to its citizens is too big, too scary, and too controlling.
The truth of the matter is that there is no "them" and "us". We finance them! We elect them! We are the boss! A true government is a government that is scared of its people and not the other way around. A move more towards socialism will provide us with just that and I'm all for it!

The bankers get a subsidy. So do the short-traders and rum manufacturers.
Why can't watermen have a subsidy?
Should we be making arrows instead?
Why can't we have a golden life preserver?

Once we had a pier, but they took that away. No subsidy there!
Life is so unfair

Gimme my money,

So your argument is that everyone else cheats so I should be allowed to cheat also. How about we not allow anyone to cheat.

waterman wife wrote:

<quoted text>We need our government to stop allowing so much development on the waterfront and killing or destroying the wetlands and polluting the rivers and bays so our seafood have a home to thrive.

I agree!

Scribe wrote:

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This is just another variation on the oft-expressed socialistic viewpoint that we need lots of paternalistic government.
In this paradigm, citizens are children, and elected government officials, bureaucrats, and government workers are the parents.

No, it is an argument that human beings need rules of conduct to prevent one individual from doing harm to another individual or society as a whole.

Just a thought wrote:

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No, it is an argument that human beings need rules of conduct to prevent one individual from doing harm to another individual or society as a whole.

I agree. We need size limits, fishing seasons, etc., "to promote the general welfare."

They SHOULD clean up the waterfront. They can begin by tearing down that nasty marina. Their boats leak oil, sewage and beer cans in the creek.

waterman wife wrote:

<quoted text>We need our government to stop allowing so much development on the waterfront and killing or destroying the wetlands and polluting the rivers and bays so our seafood have a home to thrive.

David Dukem wrote:

They SHOULD clean up the waterfront. They can begin by tearing down that nasty marina. Their boats leak oil, sewage and beer cans in the creek.
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Which marina would you be talking about?

Warwick Yacht Club , who else ?

But somebody will always cheat, won't they? There will always be a parasite waiting because that's the way LIFE works

So gimme my money.

Just a thought wrote:

Gimme my money,
So your argument is that everyone else cheats so I should be allowed to cheat also. How about we not allow anyone to cheat.

Gimme my money wrote:

But somebody will always cheat, won't they? There will always be a parasite waiting because that's the way LIFE works
So gimme my money.
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That is the way society without the enforced, rule of law works.

David Dukem wrote:

Warwick Yacht Club , who else ?

Maybe the enforced rule of law should be applied to them.

waterman wife wrote:

<quoted text>We need our government to stop allowing so much development on the waterfront and killing or destroying the wetlands and polluting the rivers and bays so our seafood have a home to thrive.

Such a contradiction Carol.

One side of your mouth = Stop developing the waterfront

Another side of your mouth = REBUILD the DEEP CREEK PIER!

You are so full of BS!

Wondering wrote:

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They might be up to par physically, but changing jobs would usually equate to contruction work, and right now nobody is building and most contruction folks I know are sitting at home hoping they get a phone call so they can go do some work.

There are other jobs out there. The Work Force Center on Butler Farm is a great place to start. Switching jobs is hard but if it brings in a paycheck, isn't it worth it? Beggars can't be choosers!! or they could just keep begging....