McCain's Saddleback Grand Slam

All American White Guy wrote:

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Well, I don't have a Harvard degree, but neither do I feel rightous enough to call anyone a third/fourth or fifth rate person. I can judge someone's character by looking at their past behavoirs and decide whether or not I'll vote for them based on their experience, or lack thereof.
I'll take McCain's experience(s) and past behavoirs over Nobama's lack of experience and questionable behavoirs any day. Not that I find McCain to be the very best fit for POTUS, but it
he seems to be the only one worthy of my vote this election, unless there is some miracle such as a more palatable candidate popping out of the woodwork before Nov. 4th. I truely wish we could do away with the two party system and let all qualified candidates debate and run, not just the two from the main parties, with a few from fringe parties. I feel that the two party system discourages many highly qualified candidates from running, so sad.

why is it most pro Obama post come from rational types, while pro McCain post seem to come from uneducated morons.

All American White Guy wrote:

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Well, I don't have a Harvard degree, but neither do I feel rightous enough to call anyone a third/fourth or fifth rate person. I can judge someone's character by looking at their past behavoirs and decide whether or not I'll vote for them based on their experience, or lack thereof.
I'll take McCain's experience(s) and past behavoirs over Nobama's lack of experience and questionable behavoirs any day. Not that I find McCain to be the very best fit for POTUS, but it
he seems to be the only one worthy of my vote this election, unless there is some miracle such as a more palatable candidate popping out of the woodwork before Nov. 4th. I truely wish we could do away with the two party system and let all qualified candidates debate and run, not just the two from the main parties, with a few from fringe parties. I feel that the two party system discourages many highly qualified candidates from running, so sad.

Since character counts with you, what did John McCain do to retaliate against the people that attacked us on 911? What has John McCain done in the past 7 years to get those responsible for 911?

If you say Iraq you are not qualified to vote.

Major Tom wrote:

I know a phony when I see one. That phony is Obama. I hope he burns in hell for eternity for deceiving the American people.

I'm sure McCain can show him the way.

www.geocities.com/mepk1962

All American White Guy wrote:

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Well, I don't have a Harvard degree, but neither do I feel rightous enough to call anyone a third/fourth or fifth rate person. I can judge someone's character by looking at their past behavoirs and decide whether or not I'll vote for them based on their experience, or lack thereof.
I'll take McCain's experience(s) and past behavoirs over Nobama's lack of experience and questionable behavoirs any day. Not that I find McCain to be the very best fit for POTUS, but it
he seems to be the only one worthy of my vote this election, unless there is some miracle such as a more palatable candidate popping out of the woodwork before Nov. 4th. I truely wish we could do away with the two party system and let all qualified candidates debate and run, not just the two from the main parties, with a few from fringe parties. I feel that the two party system discourages many highly qualified candidates from running, so sad.

Well, I wouldn't touch McCain's "elisits,adultrist,lying and morally corrupt background or his lack of experience if you gave it to me wrapped in gold ribbon. Everyone talks about all his military experience: which one?
1) Almost flunking out of school.
2) Almost flunking out of the Naval Academy.
3) Almost flunking out of Flight School.
4) Lack of flying experience (see3) costing the US millions of dollars from crashing 4 planes.
5) Being captive throughout the war and never seeing or making any decisions reguarding the war
except to renounce his country and try to commit suicide because he thought he'd shamed his father.(sad, but true).
6) Supporting sending troops to Somalia (Bush,Sr.- for oil) then trying to cut funding for our troops there under Bill Clinton, so we could get out.
7) Supporting Georgia because his lobbyist campaign advisor received $200,000 signing bonus, oh and oil (pipelines run through there).
8) Supporting staying in Iraq (more oil).
He sure supports those oil rich countries and so do his lobbyists. Maybe that's how he paid for his McMansions.

www.geocities.com/mepk1962

Derek wrote:

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why is it most pro Obama post come from rational types, while pro McCain post seem to come from uneducated morons.

You're a funny "rational" cheapshot artist, eh?

Fonzii wrote:

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Since character counts with you, what did John McCain do to retaliate against the people that attacked us on 911? What has John McCain done in the past 7 years to get those responsible for 911?
If you say Iraq you are not qualified to vote.

He didn't put on a cape and fly over to the middle east, if that's what your asking. He's voted in favor of bills designed to help keep our country secure from terrorist attacks. Isn't that what Senators do?

adapt and overcome - Tx wrote:

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Well, I wouldn't touch McCain's "elisits,adultrist,lying and morally corrupt background or his lack of experience if you gave it to me wrapped in gold ribbon. Everyone talks about all his military experience: which one?
1) Almost flunking out of school.
2) Almost flunking out of the Naval Academy.
3) Almost flunking out of Flight School.
4) Lack of flying experience (see3) costing the US millions of dollars from crashing 4 planes.
5) Being captive throughout the war and never seeing or making any decisions reguarding the war
except to renounce his country and try to commit suicide because he thought he'd shamed his father.(sad, but true).
6) Supporting sending troops to Somalia (Bush,Sr.- for oil) then trying to cut funding for our troops there under Bill Clinton, so we could get out.
7) Supporting Georgia because his lobbyist campaign advisor received $200,000 signing bonus, oh and oil (pipelines run through there).
8) Supporting staying in Iraq (more oil).
He sure supports those oil rich countries and so do his lobbyists. Maybe that's how he paid for his McMansions.
www.geocities.com/mepk1962

I "almost" flunked out of college, but I didn't and they still let me counsel children that these so called educated at the top of their class of parenting haved failed miserably with.

adapt and overcome - Tx wrote:

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Well, I wouldn't touch McCain's "elisits,adultrist,lying and morally corrupt background or his lack of experience if you gave it to me wrapped in gold ribbon. Everyone talks about all his military experience: which one?
1) Almost flunking out of school.
2) Almost flunking out of the Naval Academy.
3) Almost flunking out of Flight School.
4) Lack of flying experience (see3) costing the US millions of dollars from crashing 4 planes.
5) Being captive throughout the war and never seeing or making any decisions reguarding the war
except to renounce his country and try to commit suicide because he thought he'd shamed his father.(sad, but true).
6) Supporting sending troops to Somalia (Bush,Sr.- for oil) then trying to cut funding for our troops there under Bill Clinton, so we could get out.
7) Supporting Georgia because his lobbyist campaign advisor received $200,000 signing bonus, oh and oil (pipelines run through there).
8) Supporting staying in Iraq (more oil).
He sure supports those oil rich countries and so do his lobbyists. Maybe that's how he paid for his McMansions.
www.geocities.com/mepk1962

I won't do a tit-for-tat as both have dubious actions in their past. I will say that Nobama's actions were more dubious in my mind and he certainly doesn't have a record of serving his country. 143 days in the US Senate before running for POTUS, and never held meetings in the one committee that he chaired. I think the dems would have been better off starting him off as VP to gain experience.

Frank wrote:

<quoted text>Here's the scenario:
You and I are in a dank cell in someones Peoples Republic. I am hanging by my wrists from the ceiling. You have been kind and tolerant toward me. all you want is a specific answer to a specific question: "What was John McCain doing while we were being attacked?" So far,I have given the wrong answers, I was rewarded by hard blows on my knees and ankles with a ball bat administered by yourself. At this point in time, you have broken both my collar bones, and left hundreds of black and blue bruises all over my body. and left me physically crippled.
And I still haven't given you a satisfactory answer. You have given me every possible chance to confess. If you would give me the vaguest hint,
I would confess to anything.
If you will text me with the correct answer about McCain's whereabouts and what he was doing at that specific time in history, I'll sign it when the swelling goes down in my broken hands and fingers.

What? so you don't know what McCain has done in 7 years since we were attacked, to bring those responsible to justice. This is the most important vindication election in years and you don't know what McCain has done to get those who attacked us, but you are supporting him.

I don't know what bigger gauge of character you need than the answer to this question. The funny thing is none of you that are bashing Obama know what your war hero McCain has done.

Beyond policies, character counts.

All American White Guy wrote:

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He didn't put on a cape and fly over to the middle east, if that's what your asking. He's voted in favor of bills designed to help keep our country secure from terrorist attacks. Isn't that what Senators do?

He voted for a bill that help keep our country secure from terrorist attacks. That is your answer, your war hero voted. In 7 years he cast 1 vote to get those that dared to attack us.

Meanwhile the non military hero, put his political career on the line and said we should be in Afghanistan, we should bomb mountains in Pakistan if that is where Bin Laden is.

Your war hero laughed at him, for saying that, his own party laughed at him for saying that. He didn't back down, he didn't change his mind. He didn't care if it isolated him, he held his ground.

That is character, that is a leader. Your war hero became a follower when our USA got attacked.

That's why McCain is not getting my vote. Character counts.

Justin wrote:

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He voted for a bill that help keep our country secure from terrorist attacks. That is your answer, your war hero voted. In 7 years he cast 1 vote to get those that dared to attack us.
Meanwhile the non military hero, put his political career on the line and said we should be in Afghanistan, we should bomb mountains in Pakistan if that is where Bin Laden is.
Your war hero laughed at him, for saying that, his own party laughed at him for saying that. He didn't back down, he didn't change his mind. He didn't care if it isolated him, he held his ground.
That is character, that is a leader. Your war hero became a follower when our USA got attacked.
That's why McCain is not getting my vote. Character counts.

Wow, Justin you brought tears to my eyes men.
Thank you for loving America as much as I do.

Justin wrote:

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He voted for a bill that help keep our country secure from terrorist attacks. That is your answer, your war hero voted. In 7 years he cast 1 vote to get those that dared to attack us.
Meanwhile the non military hero, put his political career on the line and said we should be in Afghanistan, we should bomb mountains in Pakistan if that is where Bin Laden is.
Your war hero laughed at him, for saying that, his own party laughed at him for saying that. He didn't back down, he didn't change his mind. He didn't care if it isolated him, he held his ground.
That is character, that is a leader. Your war hero became a follower when our USA got attacked.
That's why McCain is not getting my vote. Character counts.

Wow, do you have things wrong. How do you get that he only voted on one bill in 7 years?

Non-military hero? Please explain how exactly Nobama is a hero in any manner of the word. I thought that he was the Messiah to you Obots.

If you paid attention, Nobama caught a lot of crap for saying that he would bomb inside a "friendly" countrie's borders when they forbid it. The world rolled their collective eyes at the notion. Start a war with Pakistan, BRILLIANT! And yes, bombing a nation is an act of war. I see that you are as ignorant as Nobama in worldly affairs. BTW, wasn't it McCain who said that he will follow bin laden to the gates of hell to bring him to justice?

Dude, the only powers that a Senator has is to make speeches and vote, sheesh. You're barkin' up the wrong tree on this one.

The Presidential election was too close to call. Neither the Republican candidate nor the Democratic candidate had enough votes to win. There was much talk about ballot recounting, court challenges, etc., but a week-long ice fishing competition seemed the sportsmanlike way to settle things. The candidate that caught the most fish at the end of the week would win the election.

Therefore, it was decided that there should be an ice fishing contest between the two candidates to determine the winner.

After much of back and forth discussion, it was decided that the contest take place on a remote frozen lake in northern Minnesota .

There were to be no observers present, and both men were to be sent out separately on this isolated lake and return at 5 P.M. with their catch for counting and verification by a team of neutral parties. At the end of the first day, John Mc. retu rned to the start ing line and he had ten fish.

Soon, Obama returned and had no fish. Well, everyone assumed he was just having another 'bad hair' day or something and hopefully, he would catch up the next day.

At the end of the 2nd day John Mc. came in with 20 fish and Obama came in again with none.

That evening, Harry Reid got together secretly with Obama and said,'Obama, I think John Mc. is a low-life, cheatin' son-of-a-gun. I want you to go out tomorrow and don't even bother with fishing. Just spy on him and see just how he is cheating.'

The next night (after John Mc. returns with 50 fish), said to Obama,'Well, tell me, how is John Mc. cheating?'

Obama replied,'Harry, you're not going to believe this, but he's cutting holes in the ice.'

Experience Counts

All American White Guy wrote:

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Wow, do you have things wrong. How do you get that he only voted on one bill in 7 years?
Non-military hero? Please explain how exactly Nobama is a hero in any manner of the word. I thought that he was the Messiah to you Obots.
If you paid attention, Nobama caught a lot of crap for saying that he would bomb inside a "friendly" countrie's borders when they forbid it. The world rolled their collective eyes at the notion. Start a war with Pakistan, BRILLIANT! And yes, bombing a nation is an act of war. I see that you are as ignorant as Nobama in worldly affairs. BTW, wasn't it McCain who said that he will follow bin laden to the gates of hell to bring him to justice?
Dude, the only powers that a Senator has is to make speeches and vote, sheesh. You're barkin' up the wrong tree on this one.

My god, I can't believe you are allowed to vote.

Clearly you missed the fact that BUSH, did end up bombing the mountains in Pakistan after, he (Bush), McCain, Clinton and other members of the senate party laughed at Obama. It turns out Obama was right.

Evidently McCain would follow Bin Laden to the gates of hell, but not to Afghanistan or Pakistan, were we know Bin Laden is likely to be. Instead He sent us to Iraq. Where we know for a fact Bin Laden is not. And Iraq was not the people that attacked us.

Well if the only power that the senators have is to make speeches and vote, McCain made a speech about attacking not the people that attacked us, but the country that had nothing to do with it. Then he voted for it. Obama, made a speech about going after the people that attacked us and he voted to go after the people that attacked us by not voting for the Iraq war.

He stood up like a real Hero and set a plan to defend our country and retaliate against the people that attacked us.

Your Hero McCain, became a follower.

Obama became a leader.

That's why he(McCain) is not getting my vote.

Jersey Frank wrote:

<quoted text>Listen up you little snot nosed pecker breathed wimp ass juvenile...For starters, this is a discussion board. For Adults.
You ARE allowed bring your punk ass here and give ultimatums and make demands all day. But just who the hell do you think you are? You are giving me a last chance to answer your questions?
then what? you going to tell Mommy that a really mean person won't do as he's told?
Waaaah-Wahhhh! Put your Mommy on here and I'll straighten her ass out too.
Why don't you ask me what Chimp Eared Obama was doing on a certain day?
I'd guess he had your crusty little ass bent over his desk and cleaning your colon.
close enough?
PUNK.

So your answer is no, you can't name one thing McCain did to retaliate against the people that attacked us in the last 7 years. All you had to say is "I don't Know"

"Chimp Eared" I guess we now know the real reason you are anti Obama. I forgot that white people didn't evolve from chimps either. What was I thinking.

Justin wrote:

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My god, I can't believe you are allowed to vote.
Clearly you missed the fact that BUSH, did end up bombing the mountains in Pakistan after, he (Bush), McCain, Clinton and other members of the senate party laughed at Obama. It turns out Obama was right.
Evidently McCain would follow Bin Laden to the gates of hell, but not to Afghanistan or Pakistan, were we know Bin Laden is likely to be. Instead He sent us to Iraq. Where we know for a fact Bin Laden is not. And Iraq was not the people that attacked us.
Well if the only power that the senators have is to make speeches and vote, McCain made a speech about attacking not the people that attacked us, but the country that had nothing to do with it. Then he voted for it. Obama, made a speech about going after the people that attacked us and he voted to go after the people that attacked us by not voting for the Iraq war.
He stood up like a real Hero and set a plan to defend our country and retaliate against the people that attacked us.
Your Hero McCain, became a follower.
Obama became a leader.
That's why he(McCain) is not getting my vote.

Dude, you're delusional and sooo wrong with your "facts". I'm not wasting anymore time if you can't understand that you can't bomb a friendly nation without starting a war. Tell you what, if you want Nobama as your hero, by all means don't let me hamper your dreams. Nobama, a true American hero! Now I've heard it all! I guess William Ayeres is your hero too?

Are THE NATION OF ISLAM goons still playing body guard to the Obama's?

Probably the NBPs now.

February 6, 2006

The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.

You commented in your letter about my “interest in creating a task force to further study” this issue, as if to suggest I support delaying the consideration of much-needed reforms rather than allowing the committees of jurisdiction to hold hearings on the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. The timely findings of a bipartisan working group could be very helpful to the committee in formulating legislation that will be reported to the full Senate. Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues. In fact, I urged Senator Collins to schedule a hearing upon the Senate’s return in January.

Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that any lobbying reform proposal be bipartisan. The bill Senators Joe Lieberman and Bill Nelson and I have introduced is evidence of that commitment as is my insistence that members of both parties be included in meetings to develop the legislation that will ultimately be considered on the Senate floor. As I explained in a recent letter to Senator Reid, and have publicly said many times, the American people do not see this as just a Republican problem or just a Democratic problem. They see it as yet another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal, and they expect it will generate just another round of partisan gamesmanship and posturing. Senator Lieberman and I, and many other members of this body, hope to exceed the public’s low expectations. We view this as an opportunity to bring transparency and accountability to the Congress, and, most importantly, to show the public that both parties will work together to address our failings.

As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

Sincerely,

John McCain
United States Senate

February 6, 2006

The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.

You commented in your letter about my “interest in creating a task force to further study” this issue, as if to suggest I support delaying the consideration of much-needed reforms rather than allowing the committees of jurisdiction to hold hearings on the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. The timely findings of a bipartisan working group could be very helpful to the committee in formulating legislation that will be reported to the full Senate. Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues. In fact, I urged Senator Collins to schedule a hearing upon the Senate’s return in January.

Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that any lobbying reform proposal be bipartisan. The bill Senators Joe Lieberman and Bill Nelson and I have introduced is evidence of that commitment as is my insistence that members of both parties be included in meetings to develop the legislation that will ultimately be considered on the Senate floor. As I explained in a recent letter to Senator Reid, and have publicly said many times, the American people do not see this as just a Republican problem or just a Democratic problem. They see it as yet another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal, and they expect it will generate just another round of partisan gamesmanship and posturing. Senator Lieberman and I, and many other members of this body, hope to exceed the public’s low expectations. We view this as an opportunity to bring transparency and accountability to the Congress, and, most importantly, to show the public that both parties will work together to address our failings.

As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

Sincerely,

John McCain
United States Senate