Some Doctors Refuse To Treat Kids Who Have Not Been Immunized

It people like Bachmann that continue to spread bad info solely as a attempt to make gains for herself without considering the consequences for her actions.
No vaccine will build 100 percent immunity for 100 percent of the population. I would support my child's doctor in their choice not to treat thoe who choose not to vaccinate, more so when a child sitting next to your could have the measles. It's been made clear parents do not keep their sick kids home, and expose many other people.

friend wrote:

It people like Bachmann that continue to spread bad info solely as a attempt to make gains for herself without considering the consequences for her actions.
No vaccine will build 100 percent immunity for 100 percent of the population. I would support my child's doctor in their choice not to treat thoe who choose not to vaccinate, more so when a child sitting next to your could have the measles. It's been made clear parents do not keep their sick kids home, and expose many other people.

This proves what a fool you are, as if your doctor truly knows these things. And spreading this nonsense just like Bachman. Join the clueless club?

More name-calling. You mised your calling. You should had been a comedian.

In this case, if the child dies because of the doctor refusal for check up. The parents should deal with the doctor and his family members.

One case and you will see the doctors will have to end up their share of responsibility. We did not pay their education for them to be choosers.

That is not what public invested in.

But then again, refuse to treat the kids, something happens, and they are putting their lives and those of their loved ones at peril.

HPV vaccines is a bullshit. HPV has over a dozen souches. Too ignorant to protect against two souches to avoid anything. You are never ever protected. Just a money grabbing scam and vaccines pushers zealots like strayed red light low scum known as Friend.

Every time they are short of money, they pretend they have a next one for big sales generation.

The article isn't really about the HPV vaccine, since it's not contagious just by sitting in a doctors office like the measles and pertusis is. However, get used to cancer prevention, that's where medical science is heading; to prevent deadly cancers from starting and the best thing about vaccines, it IS a choice!

friend wrote:

The article isn't really about the HPV vaccine, since it's not contagious just by sitting in a doctors office like the measles and pertusis is. However, get used to cancer prevention, that's where medical science is heading; to prevent deadly cancers from starting and the best thing about vaccines, it IS a choice!

Vaccines are not a choice if you have school aged children. I have had many fights with our school district because I do not have my children vaccinated with vaccine other than the standard ones I grew up with such as Polio, and tetnus. pertussin and diptheria. These are the only diseases that have a very high incident of death and therefore are the only ones I am concerned with. My children have already been exposed to and contracted mumps, measles, chickenpox and the german measles so I know they have a LIFETIME real immunity that won't wear off when they hit their teen years and are no longer required to receive vaccines and then get exposed to something like mumps that can cause serious problems for teenagers. And before anyone starts the "you are endangering my child by exposing your unvaccinated child to him/her" If your child is vaccinated then I guess you don't have to worry do you? Or are you afraid the vaccine won't work and your child will still catch something? I have very healthy children without asthma, allegies, autism, ADHD, ODD, and ADD all of which are on the rise in America where we give our children excessive vaccines before they turn 2 as seen below
The following vaccinations are recommended by age 2 and can be given in five visits to a doctor or public health clinic:
1 vaccination against measles/mumps/rubella (MMR)
4 vaccinations against Hib
3 vaccinations against polio
4 vaccinations against diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (DTP)
3 vaccinations against hepatitis B
1 vaccination against varicella
Then you have the follow up vaccines at 4 and 6
Booster doses of diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (DTP), polio, and measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) are needed again between ages 4 and 6. The first measles vaccine must be given on or after the first birthday. Check with your doctor or health care provider.
Then there is the mandatory meningococcal vaccine at age 12 and the soon to be mandatory HPV vaccine for girls at age 14.
Then throw in the flu shots and the pneumonia shots and so on everytime they develope a new vaccine to raise money for the company
If I didn't miscount, that is 21+ doses of virus they inject into your child.
And, if you are one of the lucky children, you will catch the chickenpox anyway and have such a mild dose that you will catch them again and again because the virus is getting stronger and stronger and causing more cases of shingles in those that got the vaccine.
Vaccines should be a personal choice and should be available to everyone that wants them but don't think you should be able to make me do them and then refuse to treat my children when I refuse the vaccines. Our family pediatrician is in complete agreement with me regarding my choice not to vaccinate against everything. She has no problem with it as long as I maintain a letter stating I have refused all vaccines despite repeated suggestions to have them done. She is a keeper.

Vaccines are a choice, all but 2 states have exemption waivers for public schools. And before anyone starts the 'you cant get a waiver so easy', that is hardly true at all.
Most vaccines are given long before school-age anyway, but the reason why they vaccinate so young is, well, look up history of which age group was far more at risk. Why is it that adults rarely are at risk of death for pertussis? Adults have a mature respiratory system, infants do not. Most all childhood disease affect the respiratory system.
Once you get the chickenpox, that virus never leaves the body. That's why later in life people can be at risk for shingles.
**Because the chicken pox vaccine stimulates the immune system to attack the virus before it can cause the condition, it will prevent chicken pox, and therefore, prevent shingles.

**The chicken pox vaccination does not make a person susceptible to shingles at any time of life.

So again untrue that the vaccine is causing shingles. Because you exposed your child to chickenpox, and they had it, you yourself contributed to the risk of that child later having shingles.

friend wrote:

Vaccines are a choice, all but 2 states have exemption waivers for public schools. And before anyone starts the 'you cant get a waiver so easy', that is hardly true at all.
Most vaccines are given long before school-age anyway, but the reason why they vaccinate so young is, well, look up history of which age group was far more at risk. Why is it that adults rarely are at risk of death for pertussis? Adults have a mature respiratory system, infants do not. Most all childhood disease affect the respiratory system.
Once you get the chickenpox, that virus never leaves the body. That's why later in life people can be at risk for shingles.
**Because the chicken pox vaccine stimulates the immune system to attack the virus before it can cause the condition, it will prevent chicken pox, and therefore, prevent shingles.
**The chicken pox vaccination does not make a person susceptible to shingles at any time of life.
So again untrue that the vaccine is causing shingles. Because you exposed your child to chickenpox, and they had it, you yourself contributed to the risk of that child later having shingles.

Idiot. The chiken pox vaccine has exchanged one problem for another. itoldyouso has the right idea and I'm pleased to read about it. You however are clued out.The great denial of all things Pharma.

friend wrote:

Vaccines are a choice, all but 2 states have exemption waivers for public schools. And before anyone starts the 'you cant get a waiver so easy', that is hardly true at all.
Most vaccines are given long before school-age anyway, but the reason why they vaccinate so young is, well, look up history of which age group was far more at risk. Why is it that adults rarely are at risk of death for pertussis? Adults have a mature respiratory system, infants do not. Most all childhood disease affect the respiratory system.
Once you get the chickenpox, that virus never leaves the body. That's why later in life people can be at risk for shingles.
**Because the chicken pox vaccine stimulates the immune system to attack the virus before it can cause the condition, it will prevent chicken pox, and therefore, prevent shingles.
**The chicken pox vaccination does not make a person susceptible to shingles at any time of life.
So again untrue that the vaccine is causing shingles. Because you exposed your child to chickenpox, and they had it, you yourself contributed to the risk of that child later having shingles.

It is very hard to get a waiver and it is only granted for medical or religious reasons in most states. Proof of religious exception must sometimes be shown and fortunately, my pastor is one of the ones that subscribes to the theory that they are not Biblical so we have been granted an exemption.
Children who have been vaccinated can still contract the disease and although it might be milder, it is still a case of chickenpox and often exposes more people because the case of chickenpox is not recognized as such and the child goes out in public and exposes more people than the child that you know has chickenpox. The elderly are at a high risk because of the vaccine because the child gets it and then exposes the older person to the virus. Much like the polio vaccine was doing when grandparent swere changing diapers on infants.
I will risk my children having a disease naturally as opposed to some created vaccine that has been grown in aborted babies or in monkey blood or beef blood or in chicken eggs. If the vaccine has not created a stronger strain of the virus then how do you explain children that have never had the vaccine getting shingles? I have been in the doctor's office when a child was brought in with them and they had gotten 2 doses of the vaccine. Go figure.No chickenpox but a more serious problem in the form of shingles. Sounds good to me.

A person usually has only one episode of chickenpox, but VZV can lie dormant within the body and cause a different type of skin eruption later in life called shingles (or herpes zoster). Getting the chickenpox vaccine significantly lowers kids' chances of getting chickenpox, but they might still develop shingles later in life.

Last paragraph in article on first page states

Anyone who has had chickenpox (or the chickenpox vaccine) as a child is at risk for developing shingles later in life, and up to 20% do. After an infection, VZV can remain inactive in nerve cells near the spinal cord and reactivate later as shingles, which can cause tingling, itching, or pain followed by a rash with red bumps and blisters. Shingles is sometimes treated with antiviral drugs, steroids, and pain medications, and there's now a shingles vaccine for people 60 and older.

This is directly from the article which I have posted the link to below

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/...

So don't tell me you can't get shingles if you get the vaccine.

Raymond wrote:

HPV vaccines is a bullshit. HPV has over a dozen souches. Too ignorant to protect against two souches to avoid anything. You are never ever protected. Just a money grabbing scam and vaccines pushers zealots like strayed red light low scum known as Friend.
Every time they are short of money, they pretend they have a next one for big sales generation.

What else are the voices saying?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.as...

Shingles is caused by a reactivation of the virus that has caused chicken pox in person earlier in life. It reactivates by inflaming the skin and nerve in the distribution of the a particular nerve of sensation.

Because the chicken pox vaccine stimulates the immune system to attack the virus before it can cause the condition, it will prevent chicken pox, and therefore, prevent shingles.

The chicken pox vaccination does not make a person susceptible to shingles at any time of life

I can provide a dozen more with the same info. As for a child having exposure and contracting chickenpox, you just made their risk even higher for shingles.

As for the waivers, ask any parent how easily it is done. And then you have doctors like Geier, Sear's and Eisenstein who'd probably fax the signed form to you.

friend wrote:

http://www.medicinenet.com/scr ipt/main/art.asp?articlekey=13 750
Shingles is caused by a reactivation of the virus that has caused chicken pox in person earlier in life. It reactivates by inflaming the skin and nerve in the distribution of the a particular nerve of sensation.
Because the chicken pox vaccine stimulates the immune system to attack the virus before it can cause the condition, it will prevent chicken pox, and therefore, prevent shingles.
The chicken pox vaccination does not make a person susceptible to shingles at any time of life
I can provide a dozen more with the same info. As for a child having exposure and contracting chickenpox, you just made their risk even higher for shingles.

So provide them instead of saying you can, you rarely contrbute anything but lip, so list them.

friend wrote:

As for the waivers, ask any parent how easily it is done. And then you have doctors like Geier, Sear's and Eisenstein who'd probably fax the signed form to you.

By the way, doctors can not grant waivers for vaccinations for school age children. They have to be granted by the superintendants or the school administrators. Doctors can only agree not to vaccinate.

Really. So you're saying that the anti vax sites are wrong? Oh and by the way, New Jersey has no official state form, and they have medical and religious. Here's a sample letter via an anti vax site:

Dear [i.e. School Nurse]:

I would like to have my daughter/son,(named), exempted from mandatory immunization because the administration of immunization conflicts with the practice of our religious tenets which prohibit the injection of foreign ingredients into my body or that of my child.

Thank you.

[signed]

Oh, and by the way, All 50 states allow medical exemption to vaccination. Proof of medical exemption must take the form of a signed statement by a Medical Doctor.

Religious Exemptions:
N.J.S.A. 26:1A – 9.1 provides an exemption for pupils from mandatory immunization “if the parent or guardian of the pupil objects thereto in a written statement signed by the parent or guardian upon the grounds that the proposed immunization interferes with the free exercise of the pupil’s religious rights.” All schools, child care centers, and local health officers may be advised that the religious exemption extends to private, parochial, and public institutions. When a parent or guardian submits their written religious exemption to immunization, which contains some religious reference, those persons charged with implementing administrative rules at N.J.A.C. 8:57 – 4.4, should not question whether the parent’s professed religious statement or stated belief is reasonable, acceptable, sincere and bona fide. In practice, if the written statement contains the word “religion” or “religious” or some reference thereto, then the statement should be accepted and the religious exemption of mandatory immunization(s) granted. The language requiring how the administration of immunizing agents conflicts with the student’s religious beliefs does not mandate specificity as to membership in a recognized church or religious denomination. NJDHSS will seek to amend the rules at N.J.A.C. 8:57 – 4.4 through the Administrative Rules process to be consistent with N.J.S.A. 26:1A – 9.1.

Please note where it states:
those persons charged with implementing administrative rules at N.J.A.C. 8:57 – 4.4,

These are the superintendants and administrators at schools. Not Doctors. They have no say in the waiver process other than to sign a document for you that states you have a medical exemption. Thye can do nothing for the religious exemption. However, once the person in charge receives a letter with anything about religion in it, he/she must grant the exemption. What this does is force people who just plain disagree about vaccines to lie about what they believe regarding religion.

I believe that there are only 20 states that allow you to opt out simply for Philosophical reasons and do not require anything other then a statement to that effect.

And for your information, I sent that eact letter to the school nurse and had to send it to the superintendant of the school because the nurse refused to accept it. She told me it wasn't listed under her authority to make those decisions and guess what? I live in NJ so I would know, wouldn't I?

Here is a link to an article about the chickenpox vaccine.

http://www.vaccineinformation.org/varicel/qan...

Can the vaccine cause herpes zoster (shingles)?
Yes, this is possible. The risk of zoster following vaccination appears to be less than that following infection with the varicella virus. The majority of cases of shingles following vaccine have been mild and have not been associated with serious complications.

Please read the very last paragraph carefully, You can get shingles if you have the chickenpox vaccine. If you have the virus in you body, you have the potential for shingles.

fact of hpv= more suffered from the shot than have suffered from the diseace it supposed to protect from
fact= autizim higher then ever before many babies normal turning retarded after some vaccine

FACT= LESS PEOPLE DIED OF THE SWINE FLU AND THE NORMAL FLU Than in decades but then again LESS PEOPLE TOOK THE SWINE FLU AND THE REGULAR FLU SHOT THAN IN DECADES

THIS ALL HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR GOVERNMENT OWNED MEDIA TRIED TO PUSH THE TENS OF THOUSANDS WILL BE DEAD SWINE FLU SCARE THE OTHER YEAR