Aussie restlessness echoes in U.S.

MUQ wrote:

"The act of homosexuality was universally condemned in all religions, I do not know of any revealed religion (I can say about Islam, Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism at least)"

did you specifically leave out buddhism because it says that being gay is normal? christianity does the same, as do some forms of Judaism and hinduism, you have no knowledge of our religions do you.

"About Sodom and Gomorrah, you are using twisted logic"

well i am only repeating what every single priest bishop and even the pope says about homosexuality and what the specific passage says.

"You say you only talk about Islam and not other religions, Is Islam your specialty? Not the way by your posts."

no you accused me of not being tolerant of other religions, however i am tolerant of other religions, it is i disagree with people like you who believe that they are right and other are always wrong, and make up things to make them seem right.

"Easter and Pentecost were not sanctioned by Jesus. Passover was an old Jewish festival, I don’t know whether all Christians still celebrate it. When they “Nailed the Law to Cross” why should they celebrate their festivals?
Yes I have seen some of these prophesies and how childishly the scholar try to justify it on current events."

Penetecost was you idiot, do you even know what pentecost is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost

you have really no idea of what prophecies i am talking about do you. Plus i have never seen a scholar put prophecies on MODERN DAY EVENTS, you are hallucinating.

"Same way Easter Friday is also fixed as per Roman Calendar in the month of April"

you make me laugh... easter this year was celebrated in march, so that puts your evidence down the drain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

"In fact there is no record at all that Jesus was born on 25th December"

true there isn't, but we never said there was did we?

"Egypt, Syria and Lebanon were conquered by the Romans before the advent of Islam, they accepted the religion of their conquerors. When the Romans were driven out, these nations came back into the fold of Islam for ever."

How could they come back into the folds of islam before the religion even existed? do you think we are stupid do you?

"I am not sure about Ethiopia and Sudan, but these could be exceptions and exceptions do not prove the rule"

just admit you are wrong.

"Christians do not have Word of God in original language, so they have to read only translations."

hebrew, greek and aramaic, were the original languages of the bible, we translted them into the various language of the world so that everyone can read it in their langauge so they can understand it, and they need not learn another language to to read the word of God.

"Islam is international religion because its adherents all found in every country, every race and every language"

well the same could be said about christianity, because we are even more of those things you said that Islam is. but you cannot include language because you do not allow your religion to be practiced in any other language other than arabic.

Little Boy wrote:

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Not Paul, Jesus Christ welcomed all the non-Jews into the arms of His Holiness, son of Ishmael.
By the way, there is a universal teaching in Christianity. Problem is that a lot of people usually mistook the old testament and the new testament. Same goes to you. I remember you saying that Christianity promotes killing and waging wars. Those were the time before Jesus Christ came to lift the ten commandments, those were the time where God seems harsh to His people because His people were asking for it (which was how the ten commandments were created), those were the time where God favoured the Jews because they were the descendants of Abraham who was the most faithful man ever walked the earth and those were the time of the old testament.

I am not sure what the message in your post is?.

Do you mean to say that Jesus came to abolish those Ten Commandments? I don’t think so. In fact he did not allow breaking of even the least of commandments. Why you talk about the Ten Big Commandments.

What happened to Christianity after Jesus left this earth cannot be put against Jesus. He did deliver his message as fully as he could.

Every prophet is the best example of humanity at his time. All prophets are sinless and righteous servants of God. We do not distinguish or talk about their relative merits. This is for God to reward them and rank them as per His standards, not our standards.

"About Sodom and Gomorrah, you are using twisted logic. The act of homosexuality was universally condemned in all religions. I do not know of any revealed religion (I can say about Islam, Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism at least) that Homosexuality is always condemned there.
I am amazed at the way you try to justify it, the days are not far, when it would be made Compulsory in the West !!! "

you sir a twisting logic, how can a gov't make a sexuality to be compulsory? you cannot say or choose what sexuality you are or want to be. if this was true many gay people would rather be straight because of the discrimination that many of homosexual people face in he world caused by bigots like you not knowing the real reason of why they are gay. In many of your previous posts you brought up the idea that science agrees with islam and not christianity, then why does Science agree with christianity's view that it is not one's choice or fault that they are gay.

You have no idea what it is like to live in a western country, you just rely on the word of censors who control your life.

MUQ: <I am not sure about Ethiopia and Sudan,>

Why are you 'not sure' about historical facts recorded for anyone to read?

Ethiopia is one of the oldest countries on earth and converted to Christianity in the 4th century AD - which makes it the second-oldest country to become officially Christian, after Armenia. Ethiopia has had a Muslim minority since the early days of Islam in the 7th century. Ethiopia was a Christian country for 3 centuries before Mohammed was born.

The Sudan (or Nubia) converted to Christianity in the 6th century, or even earlier, well before the advent of Islam. Missionaries sent by the Byzantine Empress Theodora started preaching the gospel about 540. The Nubian kings accepted the Monophysite Christianity of Egypt and acknowledged the spiritual authority of the Coptic patriarch of Alexandria.

<Islam is international religion because its adherents all found in every country>

So is Christianity, and the Bible is translated into all languages so it can be read by anyone who wishes to read it, not confined to one language.

To: Madam Dee

What was the condition of Egypt before Muslim armies went there could be checked by the writings of an unbiased historian as Gibbons. The whole area was ripe with religious controversies and hardships of Roman forces.

If you think that these areas accepted Christianity “Peacefully” without any force then why you discount that “They came into Islamic fold also peacefully’? Why people only accept Christianity peacefully and Islam only under the point of sword? Unless you have proofs that people were forced to accept Islam, you should always treat people with respect. Conversion by force is no conversion at all. Those Christians in these countries who did nor accept Islam and still Christians to this very day.

That was the choice which Islam and Muslim always give to their population.

Ethiopia, Sudan or any other country becoming Christian without any force does not prove that Christianity was spread without using any force. The records of Roman empire after it accepted Christianity are in front of every one. Even the fighting between different sects of Christianity (Catholics and Protestants) are also recorded in the history.

So you cannot say that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means. Neither we solid say that Christianity was always spread by using force. But Christians always believing that Islam was only spread by using force does not holds water if analyzed by historical records.

I did not say that Christianity is not an International religion.

It is your choice if you want to consider “Translated Word of God” on equal status with “Revealed Word of God”. In Islam we do not treat any translation as Word of God. We read the revealed Word of God in its original script and use translations to understand its meaning. The Word of God is Arabic Quran. In case of Christianity, most of Christians might have never read the Scriptures in “The Language They Were Revealed”!!!

Again this is your system and I should not comment on it, and the same way you should also not comment on our system.

Our system has advantage that any Muslim (irrespective of which race, color or nationality he or she might belong to) can take part in Regular Prayers without any problem. This is very helpful during annual pilgrimage like Hajj. While in your case, each group holds its own service in their own languages and they might not prey together.

Like in Saudi Arabia we have Arabs, Africans, Indians , Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankan, Pilipino, all praying in same mosque behind the same Imam. I don’t know which language they should have used. God’s wisdom and logic is infinitely superior to our own narrow understanding and interpretation. I think to be an International religion, you should have a Universal Scripture. Islam does it better than all other faiths!!!

Then this Memorization and Recitation of Quran in its original script has been one of the most important source for preserving word of God in its original purity. The translations are left to the knowledge and interpretation of the translator. And that is how so many errors and corruption did enter into your books.

To: Mr. Jep-Jep

To my knowledge Buddhism is not a revealed religion. I meant only “Revealed Religions”. What Buddhists consider as Scriptures are not revelation, because apparently they do not believe in God itself.

Yes I know what Bishops and Popes of “Today” say about Homosexuality. For “Two Thousands Years” Holy Spirit gave them totally different definition about Homosexuality and for past few decades, Holy Spirit has changed its stand.

I know that there is a sharp difference in Church on this issue. God forbid the day when “Every One” in Church and Christendom accepts Homosexuality. Because that day you will be same as Sodom and Gomorrah!!!

It seems you are not aware of “Biblical Prophecies”. This is an art and there are “Experts” on this subject. Every event of our time according to them is prophesized in Bible. You have not read these books, so you are unaware of them.

About the language issue, I have given the reply to Madam Dee and the same should suffice for you also.

MUQ wrote:

To: Madam Dee
What was the condition of Egypt before Muslim armies went there could be checked by the writings of an unbiased historian as Gibbons. The whole area was ripe with religious controversies and hardships of Roman forces.
If you think that these areas accepted Christianity “Peacefully” without any force then why you discount that “They came into Islamic fold also peacefully’? Why people only accept Christianity peacefully and Islam only under the point of sword? Unless you have proofs that people were forced to accept Islam, you should always treat people with respect. Conversion by force is no conversion at all. Those Christians in these countries who did nor accept Islam and still Christians to this very day.
That was the choice which Islam and Muslim always give to their population.
Ethiopia, Sudan or any other country becoming Christian without any force does not prove that Christianity was spread without using any force. The records of Roman empire after it accepted Christianity are in front of every one. Even the fighting between different sects of Christianity (Catholics and Protestants) are also recorded in the history.
So you cannot say that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means. Neither we solid say that Christianity was always spread by using force. But Christians always believing that Islam was only spread by using force does not holds water if analyzed by historical records.
I did not say that Christianity is not an International religion.
It is your choice if you want to consider “Translated Word of God” on equal status with “Revealed Word of God”. In Islam we do not treat any translation as Word of God. We read the revealed Word of God in its original script and use translations to understand its meaning. The Word of God is Arabic Quran. In case of Christianity, most of Christians might have never read the Scriptures in “The Language They Were Revealed”!!!
Again this is your system and I should not comment on it, and the same way you should also not comment on our system.
Our system has advantage that any Muslim (irrespective of which race, color or nationality he or she might belong to) can take part in Regular Prayers without any problem. This is very helpful during annual pilgrimage like Hajj. While in your case, each group holds its own service in their own languages and they might not prey together.
Like in Saudi Arabia we have Arabs, Africans, Indians , Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankan, Pilipino, all praying in same mosque behind the same Imam. I don’t know which language they should have used. God’s wisdom and logic is infinitely superior to our own narrow understanding and interpretation. I think to be an International religion, you should have a Universal Scripture. Islam does it better than all other faiths!!!
Then this Memorization and Recitation of Quran in its original script has been one of the most important source for preserving word of God in its original purity. The translations are left to the knowledge and interpretation of the translator. And that is how so many errors and corruption did enter into your books.

<So you cannot say that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means.>

I have never said that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means. I was correcting the errors you made by claiming that these countries 'returned to the fold of Islam' when they were never Islamic in the first place.

"To my knowledge Buddhism is not a revealed religion. I meant only “Revealed Religions”. What Buddhists consider as Scriptures are not revelation, because apparently they do not believe in God itself."

buddhists do believe in God, God as being a spirit, or a being, just as Christians do. And i believe Buddhism is just a deserving religion as any and i believe you added revealed to religion so that you can say that most major religions reject homosexuality (which was wrong anyway)

"Yes I know what Bishops and Popes of “Today” say about Homosexuality. For “Two Thousands Years” Holy Spirit gave them totally different definition about Homosexuality and for past few decades, Holy Spirit has changed its stand."

actually incorrect... it was the opposite way, Early christians it has been shown to have been accepting of homosexuality, it was around 1500's when the church decided to interpret the bible differently under a specific pope who's name excapes me at the moment. You seriously have no idea of the history of Christianity.

"I know that there is a sharp difference in Church on this issue. God forbid the day when “Every One” in Church and Christendom accepts Homosexuality. Because that day you will be same as Sodom and Gomorrah!!! "

Well accepting homosexuality is different from being homosexual, and if you cannot tell the different there is a problem with you. Homosexuality has been around since humans began, it is proven by science to be genetic, in which science agree to the bible and the church where it says that we are all created in the image of God or in the way god wants us to be created in all terms. Go check the christian beliefs of what the Sodom and gomorrah punishments were for, it definately wasn't for being homosexuality, the over whelming Christians and Jews say it was because of the inhospitable citizens towards Abraham.

"it seems you are not aware of “Biblical Prophecies”. This is an art and there are “Experts” on this subject. Every event of our time according to them is prophesized in Bible. You have not read these books, so you are unaware of them."

well they do not represent christianity and the church do they, you also are unaware of what prophecies i am talking about because you have gotten the wrong idea from my comment so to stop yourself from being humiliated i shall stop this argument of the prophecies here.

"I think to be an International religion, you should have a Universal Scripture. Islam does it better than all other faiths!!!"

yes and it also lies when it says that the trinity in christianity consists ofGod, jesus and Mary.

"It is your choice if you want to consider “Translated Word of God” on equal status with “Revealed Word of God”."

well how is it any different. it is still the same word of God, just in a different language.

so you are telling me if i wrote a book, and then got you to translate it into Hindi, or Arabic or any other language, it is no longer my work?

"Like in Saudi Arabia we have Arabs, Africans, Indians , Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankan, Pilipino, all praying in same mosque behind the same Imam. I don’t know which language they should have used."

well we have the same here in australia and around the world, people of many many mand countries come to the one mass in any language of your choice, spanish, english, french, filipino, korean, japanese, to pray to the same God, and within the same religion. there is no part in the bible thats says you cannot translate it to spread the word of god, as far as i can tell the bible and god encourage it.

dee wrote:

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<So you cannot say that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means.>
I have never said that Christianity was always spread by peaceful means. I was correcting the errors you made by claiming that these countries 'returned to the fold of Islam' when they were never Islamic in the first place.

I hope you would not insist so much on slip of tongue or pen (Many be I was not that wrong also, if you consider our claim that Islam was the original religion of first man itslef).

What about your comments about the overall behaviour of prophet during Makkah period.

What objections you have in his character that disqulaify him from being a prophet.

If you have no comments then should I belive that his character was OK and acceptable as any prophet, then we can move on to the next phase of his life, that is Medina period.

MUQ wrote:

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I hope you would not insist so much on slip of tongue or pen (Many be I was not that wrong also, if you consider our claim that Islam was the original religion of first man itslef).
What about your comments about the overall behaviour of prophet during Makkah period.
What objections you have in his character that disqulaify him from being a prophet.
If you have no comments then should I belive that his character was OK and acceptable as any prophet, then we can move on to the next phase of his life, that is Medina period.

<I hope you would not insist so much on slip of tongue or pen >

I don't regard such mistakes as slips of the pen -this is recorded history, not hard to check. If you are engaging in a debate, it's up to you to be correct in your claims. If I had not challenged you, this misinformation would be accepted by those with no knowledge of the subject. Not one of these countries was ever Islamic, no matter how much you try to tell us that the whole world has always been Islamic and we simply haven't noticed.

To: Mr. Jep-Jep

Let us stop the subject of Homosexuality for the time being. But I am really amazed the way you people defend it. Calling it Genetic, then supporting it with logic that Man is created in image of God, I don’t know what image you are taking about (and what it has to do with homosexuality). Then saying that It has always existed in human society (so are the rapes and thefts and lies and all such things). Then saying that Early Christians accepted it and then "Some Pope" in 1500 banned it (and all Christians accepted it). So I leave this issue to you, because no discussions can take place, when the issue is so muddled up in your mind.

However I want to comment some thing on the language Issue. There is a lot of misunderstanding in your mind on this issue. If you study my post carefully, then some of your misconception might go.

To start with, let me say that per see, no Language has any superiority over any other. Each language is as dear to its speakers as the other is to its speakers.. Quran mentions this as one of the Signs of God And says that in it there is much lesson for those who have knowledge. How the children of one parent chose so many different languages is itself a subject for learned scholars.

In the same way, differences in colors and races have no preferences in the eyes of God. Quran says "O Mankind We made you from a single (pair) of male and female, and made you into different nations and tribes, so that you may recognize each other (and not you despise each other). Most certainly the most honorable in sight of God is one who is most God Conscious" 50:13

Then there is saying of our prophet, in which he said "No Arab is superior to a Non-Arab and no Non-Arab is superior to an Arab. No Black is superior to a white and no White is superior to a Black. You all are children of Adam and Adam was made from dust. The rankings if any are on the basis of Piety and God Consciousness".

That is why we believe that God sent his prophet in all nations and sent his books in all nations. These prophets and books were in the native language of these people, so it removes any superiority of any language per see.

Then it is a fact that every language has its own peculiarities, which those who spoke only know. It is very difficult for exact translation of one language into another. The poems of Milton & Wordsworth and Dramas of Shakespeare are very difficult to translate into another language. Even if you convey the message, it is impossible to pass the rhythm, the elegance, the beauty of chosen word etc. This is known to any one who has studied them in English and then in any Translation.(Contd)

Now coming to the revelation and Scriptures. It is our belief that God Speaks to His Chosen messengers (Either directly or thru the Medium of Angels) and sends His message to these prophets. These teachings are recorded in what we call Scriptures.

Actual Words used by God and prophets are very important, because as I explained (for Milton and Shakespeare) they have a power, beauty and rhythm of their own. The Knowledge of God is perfect and what ever He says remains true for all ages. No development in science and technology can prove the knowledge of God at any time.

However when you translate the scripture from one language to another, a defect comes into the translation per see, because the translations are dependent on the knowledge of translators. They translate scriptures based on their own knowledge and based on knowledge of their times. The problems come when they try to translate the verses that deal with "Scientific" subjects. They use and explain these verses as per the knowledge available to them at that time. When Science advances, these translations go out of date.

The problem becomes serious when the originals are lost and people have only translations. Then when these translations are used as source material for translations into other languages, the problems get compounded.

Fortunately, Quran is preserved in its original language and with original wordings. Even if you see the translation and commentaries in Arabic Language itself which are 1000 years old, you will see that they became out of date especially in matters relating to Science and Creation of Humans etc. The same is the case with English and Urdu Translations made over a couple of centuries back. The original Arabic Words have many shades of meanings, which never go out of date with changing knowledge of science, but the translations go out of date.

Then there is the question of Beauty of Original Arabic, its rhythm and its music. It is therefore preferred to recite Quran in Arabic and use its translation for understanding its meaning. No Translation or Commentary (even it be in Arabic language) can take the place of Revealed Word of God.


Unfortunately hardly any of the Biblical books are preserved in the original languages spoken by the prophets. OT prophets spoke Hebrew (most of them any way), but the books we have are in Greek language. Jesus spoke Aramaic, but the Gospels are in Greek language. Most of the "Scientific" difficulties of Bible are because of this. God will not tell a lie or make any Mistake or shall have any discrepancies in His Books. All these errors are man made, but people have no other choice than to defend these mistakes and errors using all sorts of weird logic.

Translation of Scripture into different languages is good, but there are limits to that. We should not give any translation the place of Original Scriptures. Original Scriptures must be always read side by side with translations. That is what we do when we translate Quran. We put Arabic Text and Translations side by side. If there is any problem or defect in translation it can always be corrected or discussed.

Just consider these points with cool mind and put your comments.

dee wrote:

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<I hope you would not insist so much on slip of tongue or pen >
I don't regard such mistakes as slips of the pen -this is recorded history, not hard to check. If you are engaging in a debate, it's up to you to be correct in your claims. If I had not challenged you, this misinformation would be accepted by those with no knowledge of the subject. Not one of these countries was ever Islamic, no matter how much you try to tell us that the whole world has always been Islamic and we simply haven't noticed.

You have not noticed because of your allergy to Arabic Word Islam. All the past proophets preached the same message and named their religion as Islam (its equivalent in other languages).

We have gone thru it that Moses did not named His religion as Judaism, Jesus did not named his religion Christianity and Buddha did not name his religion Buddhism. Indian saints did not name their religions as Hinduism.

All these are names chosen by their followers so as to distinguish from each other.

Islam on the other hand is not based on any person, language or nation. It is a state of belief which means wilful submission to will of God. In that sense all prophets were Muslims and their religion was Islam.

But I cannot do any thing to remove this linguistic prejudice from your mind. So you be of opinion that Jesus named his followers Christians and his religion Christianity. The only problem is that Jesus never heard the word Jesus and he never heard the word Christ in his life time!!!

If you can prove me that some one called him Jesus or Christ (in the same words), then I would be raedy to accept your faith without any murmur!!! Can you?

MUQ wrote:

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You have not noticed because of your allergy to Arabic Word Islam. All the past proophets preached the same message and named their religion as Islam (its equivalent in other languages).
We have gone thru it that Moses did not named His religion as Judaism, Jesus did not named his religion Christianity and Buddha did not name his religion Buddhism. Indian saints did not name their religions as Hinduism.
All these are names chosen by their followers so as to distinguish from each other.
Islam on the other hand is not based on any person, language or nation. It is a state of belief which means wilful submission to will of God. In that sense all prophets were Muslims and their religion was Islam.
But I cannot do any thing to remove this linguistic prejudice from your mind. So you be of opinion that Jesus named his followers Christians and his religion Christianity. The only problem is that Jesus never heard the word Jesus and he never heard the word Christ in his life time!!!
If you can prove me that some one called him Jesus or Christ (in the same words), then I would be raedy to accept your faith without any murmur!!! Can you?

<You have not noticed because of your allergy to Arabic Word Islam.>

I am well aware of Muslim dishonesty concerning the word 'Islam'. The countries mentioned were 'islamic' in the sense that the people had submitted themselves to God - so why weren't they left alone?

<In that sense all prophets were Muslims and their religion was Islam.>

"in that sense" - meaning you're hoping that anyone reading this will take you at your word and believe that these countries actually followed Mohammed. This is just intellectual dishonesty. Plays on an Arabic word that has two meanings.

“Let us stop the subject of Homosexuality for the time being. But I am really amazed the way you people defend it. Calling it Genetic, then supporting it with logic that Man is created in image of God, I don’t know what image you are taking about (and what it has to do with homosexuality). Then saying that It has always existed in human society (so are the rapes and thefts and lies and all such things). Then saying that Early Christians accepted it and then "Some Pope" in 1500 banned it (and all Christians accepted it). So I leave this issue to you, because no discussions can take place, when the issue is so muddled up in your mind.”

I have no issue with homosexuality in my mid, it is you who does. The lord says that all are equal in his eyes, so therefore I should do the same. The lord says that all humans are his children, and therefore equal with me and everybody else, so I should treat them the same as I would like to be treated, whether they be gay, straight, male, female, black, white, tall, short… how can I be the one with the problem when I am not the one who has something against a specific group of people whom have done nothing wrong? Plus if you don’t believe me about the whole stance of the church thing, you should go rea up on your history of the catholic and protestant churches...

“However I want to comment some thing on the language Issue. There is a lot of misunderstanding in your mind on this issue. If you study my post carefully, then some of your misconception might go.
To start with, let me say that per see, no Language has any superiority over any other. Each language is as dear to its speakers as the other is to its speakers.. Quran mentions this as one of the Signs of God And says that in it there is much lesson for those who have knowledge. How the children of one parent chose so many different languages is itself a subject for learned scholars.”

If no language has no superiority over another, why would you then say God chose Arabic over all others? If what you said is true, then wouldn’t the Christian example of making God’s Holy Scripture known to all by translating it into all languages so that it’s speakers would be able to understand and read the word of God? I have no misunderstanding, you just presume since that I do not agree with you that I must be misunderstanding something.

“In the same way, differences in colors and races have no preferences in the eyes of God. Quran says "O Mankind We made you from a single (pair) of male and female, and made you into different nations and tribes, so that you may recognize each other (and not you despise each other). Most certainly the most honorable in sight of God is one who is most God Conscious" 50:13”

If differences have no preferences with God,(this also is said in Christianity, in terms of ALL DIFFERENCES) why would God choose to discriminate against as single group of people (i.e. non- Muslims, or homosexuals?) trust me I have no confusion or misunderstanding… Islam contradicts itself.

“Then there is saying of our prophet, in which he said "No Arab is superior to a Non-Arab and no Non-Arab is superior to an Arab. No Black is superior to a white and no White is superior to a Black. You all are children of Adam and Adam was made from dust. The rankings if any are on the basis of Piety and God Consciousness".”

Well I believe Jesus said that but in a different way… so Jesus had this idea long before Mohammed.

“That is why we believe that God sent his prophet in all nations and sent his books in all nations. These prophets and books were in the native language of these people, so it removes any superiority of any language per see.”

Sent his books IN all nations doesn’t mean he sent them TO all nations. You say that the books were in the native language of these people, so it removes superiority, well Arabic was the ONLY language the Quran was written in, so therefore God according to you chose Arabic, which would definitely make it superior. However in the bible, God chose no one SINGLE language, he let the author of the book choose what language, and then gave us the right to translate it for the WORLD to hear.

“Then it is a fact that every language has its own peculiarities, which those who spoke only know. It is very difficult for exact translation of one language into another. The poems of Milton & Wordsworth and Dramas of Shakespeare are very difficult to translate into another language. Even if you convey the message, it is impossible to pass the rhythm, the elegance, the beauty of chosen word etc. This is known to any one who has studied them in English and then in any Translation.(Contd)”

Shakespeare is an example which I would not bring up. For all native speakers of English it is still terribly difficult to know what the words of Shakespeare’s play say without being told of what it means, or learning the Middle English language. Translators of the bible try and translate it as best as possible, and as you can see, translators offer and many translations as possible in single languages so that we can choose which type of translation we want, whether it make it similar to what it says but take away he poetic forms of it, or direct translation which try and keep the similarities in the languages

“Actual Words used by God and prophets are very important, because as I explained (for Milton and Shakespeare) they have a power, beauty and rhythm of their own. The Knowledge of God is perfect and what ever He says remains true for all ages. No development in science and technology can prove the knowledge of God at any time.”

Well science ‘developments’ cannot change the truths of genetic, that’s is the genetically code God gave us, science cannot change that, so therefore that proves my point on homosexuality, and thanks to you, you have proven it.

“However when you translate the scripture from one language to another, a defect comes into the translation per see, because the translations are dependent on the knowledge of translators. They translate scriptures based on their own knowledge and based on knowledge of their times. The problems come when they try to translate the verses that deal with "Scientific" subjects. They use and explain these verses as per the knowledge available to them at that time. When Science advances, these translations go out of date.”

Well I doubt to see that, the job of a translator is to translate the word infront of them, not to take into account the issues of today when they translate it. The translations only go out of date when the language used goes out of date, as per the example of the King James version from the 1500’s the language used back then renders the first version redundant today as most people nowdays cannot understand it despite the fact it is supposed to be in the same language.

“The problem becomes serious when the originals are lost and people have only translations. Then when these translations are used as source material for translations into other languages, the problems get compounded.“

Well we have copies of the originals, un-translated, in Hebrew, Aramaic(OT) and Greek (NT)

“Fortunately, Quran is preserved in its original language and with original wordings. Even if you see the translation and commentaries in Arabic Language itself which are 1000 years old, you will see that they became out of date especially in matters relating to Science and Creation of Humans etc. The same is the case with English and Urdu Translations made over a couple of centuries back. The original Arabic Words have many shades of meanings, which never go out of date with changing knowledge of science, but the translations go out of date.”

You must misunderstand the idea of translating and copying, making another copy of a book in the same language is not translation, it is just simply multiplying the no. of the book.