Aussie restlessness echoes in U.S.

Chris wrote:

At 22, it is fair to say, I AM GETTING OLD.

Age is just a number... I am 32 but it does not worryme at all.

Groucho AKA Falcon 68 wrote:

<quoted text>You just gave me a right laugh, Natalie...My brother was quite heavy into the heavy metal bands of the 90's...Whilst I stuck to my guns and listened to the likes of Clapton, Hendrix, The Who, and my collection of 1940's swing jazz...Then Kurt Cobain came along and messed everything up for me...

Falcon :)*Smiles* How are you ?? Have not seen you around here for ages but then again I have been pretty quiet around the boards...
How is your mate from Geelong going after the big win? I was there that night and I tell ya mate the town went right off the radar! It was bloody awesome :)
Are you still with Sweet cheeks? How have you been? What have you been doing? Hw re your cars going?

AsiaSauce wrote:

<quoted text>Thought most of your take right, but on Bali bombing, seems many blame the alliance with US. If Howard had not anchored himself so firmly to Bush, perhaps Australians would not be such targets for the terrorists. And I do mean blamew the alliance, not the people. As you point out, at a social level there is warmth and a good deal in common.

hey bro...good to have posters from Asia to balance things out here.

Whats your view of Australia and Australians?

Chris wrote:

RE Natalie, I LOVE AUSSIES, IN FACT I prefer Aussies to Poms (even though I am British myself).
Personally I prefer Aussie girls.
And I would still LOVE an Aussie girl to s*** on me.
Anyhow I love headbanging and moshing, getting into a mosh pit is great fun. I LOVE IT.
Natalie, if you don't like Slayer, then try some Nirvana.
Pantera and Slayer KICK MAX ASSE.
Listen to some Pantera, just type in "Pantera" and listen to songs like "walk" "I'm Broken" or "Mouth for War". Pantera=AMAZING.
Anyway Natalie I want you to remember one thing, CHAVS SUCK, AND DESERVE TO DIE.

What is it about Aussie girls you like Chris? I think I will stick to Elvis mate musically... He is number one - always will be...

Natalie wrote:

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Falcon :)*Smiles* How are you ?? Have not seen you around here for ages but then again I have been pretty quiet around the boards...
How is your mate from Geelong going after the big win? I was there that night and I tell ya mate the town went right off the radar! It was bloody awesome :)
Are you still with Sweet cheeks? How have you been? What have you been doing? Hw re your cars going?

Questions, Questions!! My mate from Geelong took a buyout from Ford, and is now doing mechanical work in the mines...don't know where though. Sweet cheeks and I have gone our separate ways, and I've patched up things with the missus. My XT Falcon is going strong...It's gone 22,000 miles without any major mishaps. I still want to come to OZ, buy an old farm, and start collecting old Holdens, Falcons, and Valiants...

Natalie wrote:

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What is it about Aussie girls you like Chris? I think I will stick to Elvis mate musically... He is number one - always will be...

I'll send you some Elvis on the original RCA Victor label... In exchange for some Beatles on Parlophone...

Elias wrote:

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hey bro...good to have posters from Asia to balance things out here.
Whats your view of Australia and Australians?

Great country, great people (mostly) and hope for everyone's sake you get a new prime minister soon (not necessarily a change of party - I don't know enough to comment on that - but the incumbent has done a lot of damage in some quarters.

Chris wrote:

At 22, it is fair to say, I AM GETTING OLD.

Oh really....your posts remind me of my 15 year old nephew

AsiaSauce wrote:

<quoted text>Great country, great people (mostly) and hope for everyone's sake you get a new prime minister soon (not necessarily a change of party - I don't know enough to comment on that - but the incumbent has done a lot of damage in some quarters.

damage? I assume you mean his anti-Asian stance....just today he announced he is willing to even reconcile with aboriginal Australians

the man will do anything to win a vote.....

Elias wrote:

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damage? I assume you mean his anti-Asian stance....just today he announced he is willing to even reconcile with aboriginal Australians
the man will do anything to win a vote.....

Really? He must be feeling desperate. What did he do? Shake hands with Ernie Dingo? I'll go and read about that.
And yes, anti-Asian stance a little, but far more damaging is perception he has effectively made Australia a tool of Bush. Also, many see Australia's stance on various issues in the region (as expressed by Howard or Downer) as being condescending or even just outright interference.

AsiaSauce wrote:

<quoted text>Really? He must be feeling desperate. What did he do? Shake hands with Ernie Dingo? I'll go and read about that.
And yes, anti-Asian stance a little, but far more damaging is perception he has effectively made Australia a tool of Bush. Also, many see Australia's stance on various issues in the region (as expressed by Howard or Downer) as being condescending or even just outright interference.

Well, soon enough us Yanks will be getting rid of the "shrub"...and even though I'm more inclined to vote Democrat, I'm liking Fred Dalton Thompson more and more. Bush is a lame duck, a goner. It's too bad the next prez will be spending the first couple years trying to fix what ol' Dubya messed up....

Chris wrote:

RE Natalie, the majority of British girls are CHAVS

It seems to be the inner city girls who have mostly embraced the wonderful delights of ChAvISm. I personally have only seen a couple in my area. One who looked like a complete prat, while the other was his pregnant girlfriend who only looked about 13.

Chris, check out this site.
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/index.php

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Beginning on April 6, 1994, and for the next hundred days, up to 800,000 Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia using clubs and machetes, with as many as 10,000 killed each day.

Andy wrote:

<quoted text>It seems to be the inner city girls who have mostly embraced the wonderful delights of ChAvISm. I personally have only seen a couple in my area. One who looked like a complete prat, while the other was his pregnant girlfriend who only looked about 13.
Chris, check out this site.
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/index.php

I can't stand that Peaches Geldorf person. It was quite embarrassing to see young people treat her like a celebrity when she visited Sydney. She was ultra-obnoxious.

Wouldn't you think the kids of celebs would be more humble, after all, none of them would attract a moment's notice if they hadn't been born to the right parents and had doors opened for them all their lives.

wallabyedward wrote:

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Insult after insult has been directed at the people of this country from those connected to the highest levels of Islam

Your post helped me to learn about the Politics in Australia, Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.

Appreciate if you kindly elaborate with examples about that quoted above. It surprised me to read that Insults were directed to the People of Australia by what you called "highest levels in Islam"! Who are these :highest levels in Islam?
to which country on Earth they belong to?

All I can recall, there was a hired Clergy ( I think he could be Egyptian) residing in Australia who talked foolishly about the almost naked (by his original country's standards) sunbathing Australian women, describing them: exposed white flesh or something like that.

I personally believe that a Person who rejects his host country's Values, just simply book a plane ticket to go home. In the mideighties, I was studying 9postgraduate) in America, with preplanning to stay there to accomplish a distinguished scientific career that I won't be able to have in my home country. But after coliving with the American Culture with its serious part and its most adventurous part as well, I simply booked a plane ticket to go back home when I decided I won't live the rest of my life feeling as a foreigner, speaking with a learned language not my mother tongue, observing HolyDays/Feasts that are meaningless to my background/religion. I used to go to my Lab on 4 th of July to carry out my experimental research, finding pleasure in documenting my plots with: Done on 4 th of July, 19--!!!! As if part of me challenging my former desire to make the American Dream come true, getting material success ignoring the origins inside me.

Sorry for elongation, waiting for your elaboration,if you don't mind.

Lelia Katherine Thomas wrote:

When will people learn? Powerful Governments will always screw over the people, because large amounts of power Corrupt. That's all there is to it. People just tend to forget that over the course.

This Wisdom you managed to gain is through travelling, not for sightseeying, but with co-living in a different culture, working and making money in a different country than your's original one.

Not much People can have such Experience,

So, they can easily be manipulated,

or, pardon me, in your vocabulary,
People easily "screwed" over by their Governments.

The extent of how much they get "screwed" over differ; being less in the 1 st world then show up a little more in the second and then becomes disastrous in the 3 rd/4 th Worlds.

I entered a website about Islamic Sufism, found something about Australia which is quite different from the Islamophobia in the above posts.
If interested, please be my Guest & read:

" I'm looking for advice, and I'm hoping that someone here can point me in the right direction. I'm looking into this IRL, as it were, as well, but I've always found LJ to be a surprising font of information (well, sometimes, anyway), and Real People are so much better to ask than organisations.

But I digress. I've been increasingly drawn to Sufism for the last year (having first come across it via Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and the writings of Peter Lamborn Wilson many years ago, and a more recent delve into the poetry of Rumi and Hafiz), and have spent the last year reading everything I can get my hands on (starting with Idries Shah's The Sufis, and going on from there).

Obviously reading is completely inadequate in this case, but I've learnt enough to know that I want to take the next step and try to find a teacher. Two problems: I'm in Australia, and I've no background in Islam, or any personal leanings towards it as an organised religion. I mean no offence by this; as I said I simply have no background or experience (without boring you with the details, my background is fairly eclectic, thanks to a widely-travelled childhood and some very profound early experiences). I know that Shah, especially, of the modern exponents, champions the idea of Sufism going beyond religious boundaries, and even some early poetry attributed (incorrectly?) to Rumi also argues that the philosophy extends beyond culture, religion, etc.

I have an honest desire to find a teacher/school and apply to begin learning in earnest if they'll have me, but so far the only order (the Mevlevi Order) I've found in Melbourne (Victoria, Australia) seems to be *very* Muslim, and quite structuredly so, and I feel as though that would be inappropriate for me to join, even if they would accept me.

Does anyone here know of an order/teacher/school in Melbourne, Australia, with a more, um, inclusive(?) approach that might perhaps be better suited? I'm not putting this very well, but I hope someone here can help. Thank you! "

Comment:

The World has not yet entirely poisoned,
There are still wonderful humanbeings who can filter the orientation of the Warriors, just drop it, and proceed to harvest the best of the Human achievements wherever it could be.

The UNESCO (UN organisation for Culture/Education) has been observing the year 2007 for the Turkish Moslem Scholar, Galal El Din Rumi, who founded a Sufi School that has strong establishment in Turky's heartlands and beyond.

I wassearching for another Sufi Scholar, Naqshapendi, born in Iran but travelled to Turky to join the Rumi school. The misspelling of his name is making me enter other websites but not the one I am looking for.

What the original article is saying why in a Nation that has experienced the strongest economic growth since the 1950’s, where unemployment is at a 33 year low, when statistically people are making more money than ever (the average wage for full time adult total earnings is AUD $58,983.60 per annum = USD $53,321).

Why are the Australian people saying in the polls they are going to throw out the current Australian government?

The reason is because it’s time. The current government has been in power for 11 years. The previous labor government was in power for 13 years. So in the current polls there is a big “it’s time” factor. You’ve had your go mate; maybe it’s time to give the other bloke a chance.

However when it comes to Election Day, will people follow through on these feelings? Unfortunately I don’t think so. Labor will win the popular vote but will fall 3 or 4 seats short of a majority. Why because:

1. The government will run a scar campaign
on the economy.
2. The federal government will blame state &
territory governments (all are labor) for
running down the service standards in the
public hospitals.
3. Claim interest rates will rise if there
is a change in government.
4. The government will defend its marginal
seats with every ounce of strength and
the last dollar it has.

Issues that will not rate are Islamic terrorism, the war in Iraq, immigration etc etc.

Chris wrote:

RE Andy, cheers for the website, CHAVS ARE SCUM. DEATH TO CHAVS.
Chavs DISGRACE Britain, they dress like tramps, they hang around in large gangs acting tough, no shortage of chavs where I live.
By the way I live in London NOT Oxford, and London is full of chavs, DISGUSTING.
SAVE BRITAIN, EXTERMINATE CHAVS.

whats a chav?