U.S. Slump Draws Mexicans North

Are some of you incapable of coming up with REAL solutions to the immigration issue, rather than ranting on about shooting Mexicans at random?

THE LIBERAL wrote:

Are some of you incapable of coming up with REAL solutions to the immigration issue, rather than ranting on about shooting Mexicans at random?

yes, i just thought of one. build the fence, penalize employers, deport everyone of them[from all countries] and step up patrols.

These Are Not Your Father's Mexicans.

Latin American Mestizos (mixed Amerindian & Spanish) and Amerindians make up about 83%-90% of Central America. In years past it was mostly Caucasian Mexicans who illegally entered the US, however, today the vast majority are Mestizos and Amerindian laborers. Years ago those Caucasian or mostly Caucasian Mexicans would be classified as white, however, that is no longer true since American Indians cannot be classified as white.

Mestizos and Amerindians have a long tradition of putting little value in education.

For Example, in Mexico, only 13% of adults have received a high school diploma.

See link for facts: http://www.worldfund.org/index.php...

So how well do they do academically in the US?
US Department of Education NAEP figures:

Caucasian NAEP 8th Grade Science Percentage Scores
==========
Percent Below Basic -BB | Basic -B | Proficient -P | Advanced -A |
BB | B | P | A |
28 | 35 | 34 | 4 |

Hispanic NAEP 8th Grade Science Percentage Scores
==========
Percent Below Basic -BB | Basic -B | Proficient -P | Advanced -A |
BB | B | P | A |
67 | 24 | 9 |<1 |

Over 90% of US Hispanics score below proficient in science.

Link to US Department of Education NAEP Report for Science:
See link for facts: http://nationsreportcard.gov/science_2005/s01...

Domestic NAEP scores for reading and mathematics for American Hispanics are equally dismal. Also international PISA reading and mathematics scores for Mexicans taught reading and mathematics in Spanish are just as bad, if not worse than those who have fled here.

PISA officials estimate over 50% of Mexican 15-year old youth today are functionally illiterate and thus unable to compete in the Mexican economy.

See link for facts: http://www.worldfund.org/index.php...

The fact is granting amnesty to millions of scientifically ignorant, functionally illiterate and mathematically innumerate manual laborers in an attempt to transform them into American citizens will lower our standard of living. Moreover, since they cannot compete in a capitalistic system they will vote as a block for someone like themselves, a socialist Hugo Chavez wannabe, who will distribute most wealth to the poor.

THE LIBERAL wrote:

Are some of you incapable of coming up with REAL solutions to the immigration issue, rather than ranting on about shooting Mexicans at random?

Funding and enforcing the current laws on the books (Immigration act of 1986) would make a big difference.

However, my own congressman say we don't have the money to "enforce" those sets of laws. I recommended perhaps we take away half the money from the "war on drugs" and apply it illegal aliens. He just laugh and said it didn't work that way. Guess whom I not voting for next time around.

harmonious wrote:

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yes, i just thought of one. build the fence, penalize employers, deport everyone of them[from all countries] and step up patrols.

Thank you...

Those are far more worthy suggestions than just shooting Mexican border hoppers @ random.

I would support most of those ideas, especially the fence/wall and armed patrols (a good way to make good use of our armed forces).

Also, co-operation with Mexico and the Mexican gov't is vital, along with looking at ways to help Mexico become a nation where people no longer feel the need to "run" from. I also agree that any employer found hiring illegal immigrants should be penalized and if the violations are serious enough, the business should be shut down.

Uncle Ruckus wrote:

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Funding and enforcing the current laws on the books (Immigration act of 1986) would make a big difference.
However, my own congressman say we don't have the money to "enforce" those sets of laws. I recommended perhaps we take away half the money from the "war on drugs" and apply it illegal aliens. He just laugh and said it didn't work that way. Guess whom I not voting for next time around.

...another good idea.

The "war on drugs" is nothing more than a war on taxpayers.

Incarcerating drug users is a waste of money and a waste of prison, police and court resources (prisons which should be used for real criminals).

WiseOldWizard wrote:

Put a bounty on their asses. I'm sure plenty of Americans will apply for that job. Sit at the border and pick them off as they cross.

In the best spirit of Andrew Jackson!!!

Toadal wrote:

These Are Not Your Father's Mexicans.
Latin American Mestizos (mixed Amerindian & Spanish) and Amerindians make up about 83%-90% of Central America. In years past it was mostly Caucasian Mexicans who illegally entered the US, however, today the vast majority are Mestizos and Amerindian laborers. Years ago those Caucasian or mostly Caucasian Mexicans would be classified as white, however, that is no longer true since American Indians cannot be classified as white.
Mestizos and Amerindians have a long tradition of putting little value in education.
For Example, in Mexico, only 13% of adults have received a high school diploma.
See link for facts: http://www.worldfund.org/index.php...
So how well do they do academically in the US?
US Department of Education NAEP figures:
Caucasian NAEP 8th Grade Science Percentage Scores
==========
Percent Below Basic -BB | Basic -B | Proficient -P | Advanced -A |
BB | B | P | A |
28 | 35 | 34 | 4 |
Hispanic NAEP 8th Grade Science Percentage Scores
==========
Percent Below Basic -BB | Basic -B | Proficient -P | Advanced -A |
BB | B | P | A |
67 | 24 | 9 |<1 |
Over 90% of US Hispanics score below proficient in science.
Link to US Department of Education NAEP Report for Science:
See link for facts: http://nationsreportcard.gov/science_2005/s01...
Domestic NAEP scores for reading and mathematics for American Hispanics are equally dismal. Also international PISA reading and mathematics scores for Mexicans taught reading and mathematics in Spanish are just as bad, if not worse than those who have fled here.
PISA officials estimate over 50% of Mexican 15-year old youth today are functionally illiterate and thus unable to compete in the Mexican economy.
See link for facts: http://www.worldfund.org/index.php...
The fact is granting amnesty to millions of scientifically ignorant, functionally illiterate and mathematically innumerate manual laborers in an attempt to transform them into American citizens will lower our standard of living. Moreover, since they cannot compete in a capitalistic system they will vote as a block for someone like themselves, a socialist Hugo Chavez wannabe, who will distribute most wealth to the poor.

Really amazing. Thank you for your post.

THE LIBERAL wrote:

Are some of you incapable of coming up with REAL solutions to the immigration issue, rather than ranting on about shooting Mexicans at random?

I've said before that attempting to seal the entire US border or mass deportations are logistically, financially, and politically impossible. Even if we wanted to dedicate $20 billion a year to the effort, it would require the cooperation of every state and local government along the border.
What we can do, is revise our immigration and naturalization laws such that children born to illegal immigrants in the US are not granted citizenship. The only path to US citizenship should be either birth to a US citizen or via the standard INS process. Once done, the level of illegal immigration in the US will sharply decline. Mice follow the cheese. Move the cheese, and you move the mouse.