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“I refuse to drink the koolaid!”
Joined: Mar 29, 2008
Comments: 1052
PUMA
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Woodbridge, NJ
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Patriot60 wrote: <quoted text>By legislating that the financial institutions who gambled on these high risk mortgages renegotiate the terms of the loan. The people will keep their houses, the banks will get money and never fear, they will write off the losses and get tax breaks for them. Whether the government subsidizes the mortgages directly or forces the industry to renegotiate we will get the bill in the end. So now that the finance industry has already been bailed out, why not do something for THE PEOPLE of our nation? So you are saying that my taxes will go up because these people purchased a house that was well beyond their means? When we purchased a house that was not our perfect house but it was what we could afford I really don't think that is fair. My taxes are already sky high you will end up forcing everyone to lose their homes.
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“Free your mind.”
Joined: Apr 10, 2008
Comments: 605
Small town USA
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Knoxville, TN
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elise wrote: It's a pretty tragic situation. Here in Albuquerque, young people with kids are losing their homes right and left. They should never have been given loans and they should have known they couldn't afford to buy a home. These are the same silly kids that insist on buying new cars that they can't afford either. They want what they want and they want it now. I feel sorry for them but it may be the best thing for them to learn a valuable lesson fairly young in their lives. Having said that, the real question is probably "What is best for the overall economy?" Why do you feel sorry for them. Someone who makes 50K a year buys a house worth 200K, then it all falls apart, then they cry and want the government to bail them out. I don't feel sorry for them at all. They should have planed like my wife and I did. If the worst happened and we both lost our jobs, and had to work at Mcdonalds, or something, we could still afford our house payments. It would be tight, but we could do it. Plan ahead people. Let the buyer beware.
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Joined: Feb 28, 2008
Comments: 288
San Antonio
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United States
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Darren M wrote: <quoted text> Nope, I'd rather see them in a tent in Iraq, or Afghanistan EARNING their Federal Bailout, if that were to happen. Liberals make me sick. Does that mean that the corporate bailout was fine with you and you want accountability placed soley on the back of your fellow americans? Does your patriotism apply soley with those who fight in and support war? There is a war going on here at home in our nation. It is between the wealthy individuals and corporations and the rest of us. I have nothing against gaining wealth as long as it is NOT at the expense of everyone else,so don't mistake me for a socialist. But the individuals who are trying to attain the american dream of home ownership should not have been given these loans. Financial institutions have an obligation to protect the value of their holdings. They were greedy and negligent in approving these loans. Perhaps all the underwriters should be sent to Iraq or Afganistan to work off the inordinate debt they allowed to accrue and jepardize the stability of our economy even further. There is enough irresponsibility to go around why only hold the individual americans accountable? Don't they deserve the same assistance the industry received?
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Real Deal Politics
Little Rock, AR
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If you bail ot homes you have to do credit cards from the Loanshark bankers they cannot have it both ways
Then next the auto loans take it of leave it Why one and not the others ?
F them all let them go broke
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elise
Albuquerque, NM
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Freemind wrote: <quoted text>Why do you feel sorry for them. Someone who makes 50K a year buys a house worth 200K, then it all falls apart, then they cry and want the government to bail them out. I don't feel sorry for them at all. They should have planed like my wife and I did. If the worst happened and we both lost our jobs, and had to work at Mcdonalds, or something, we could still afford our house payments. It would be tight, but we could do it. Plan ahead people. Let the buyer beware. Amen. You are preaching to the choir. That I feel sorry for them doesn't change the fact that they are responsible for their decisions. Life is hard.
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Dakota
Frisco, TX
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Patriot60 wrote: <quoted text>Oh,BS. One of the first things you must provide is work history(which is verified)Bank account info(for 3 months),last years tax return,SSN and credit reports from all 3 credit reporting agencies.There is NO WAY illegal immigrants could come up with all those documents and credit histories.Take your illegal immigrant argument to a forum that is relevant will you? We ARE talking about fellow AMERICANS. Exactly so you should know the difference between Americans that obtained these loans and "illegal immigrants" that received these loans. I have been in the mortgage industry for over 30 yrs. Awhile ago I audited sub prime loans, so don't tell me what these people needed to come up with, I saw it first hand. This isn't an "illegal immigant" issue it very much has to do with the big picture of the sub prime mess. The "mounds of paperwork" you refer to shows how little you really know about the depth of the problem.Credit histories? what credit histories.....they didn't need them, a few bogus form of alternative credit sufficed.Employment wasn't verified through paystubs or tax returns...only a verbal..bank statements.....for accounts that didn't belong to them or maybe an 80/20 loan with cash on hand for closing being used. You are trying to relate sub prime loans to prime..totally different. They didn't call these "liar loans" for no reason.It matters not to me what you chose to believe, I saw it and full aware of one of the biggest scams pulled on the "American" people.
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Mr X
Whittier, CA
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Nuggin wrote: .....The realistic liberal side points out that if even 5% of home owners "walk away" from their homes, the property values will crash hard, which in turn will kill new housing causing unemployment and will also cause a significant decline in the tax base for areas who meter off of the prop value. It will further cause more home owners to want to walk away as they face payments on a house worth half what they are paying for it. So, do we punish EVERYONE, even the responsible, for the irresponsible people's actions? Property values will fall - sure - but didnt it go up already a lot since 1995 and homeowners already sitting on a load of equity. So why do govt have to bailout because property values have fallen. Values of everything go up and down - and the related industry benefits or suffers as a consequence of that. What is so sacrosanct about homes ? You want me to pay for the 400,000 home of the person earning 30K.
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Rosa
San Diego, CA
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maybe you helped make this mess too. will someone bail me out of my debts? wait, they are. its called welfare. freebees for everyone!
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Rosa
San Diego, CA
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illegals unite! we love amnesty politicians! haha can't touch us!
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“Spay and neuter your pets”
Joined: Mar 24, 2008
Comments: 290
Mosquitoland, MN
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United States
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I used to work as a crs for a high interest financial inst. who wrote loans for people with bad credit or no credit, at very high interest rates. I'd listen to the Loan officer (just trying to make quota), tell a couple how they do a consolidation loan at 18.5% and could could refinance their home, pay off credit card debt, do the home remodel project, buy new furniture and they can cut their monthly payments by 40%. Wow, sounds great doesn't it. But instead of paying it off in the 8 years their sitting at now, the term of the loan is 30 years. That part is left out. Dumb, but despirate. So not any different than the ARM situation we have now. So we going to bailout everyone that's ever made a bad decision on every financial front? Oh, don't forget those with gambling issues. They can't help themselves you know, it's an addiction and a disease.
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Mr X
Whittier, CA
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Old Man Charlie wrote: An old rule of thumb used to be: 1) Don't buy a house that is worth more than 3X's your annual salary ... AND 2) Housing costs should not be more than 25-33% of your monthly take-home pay. Okay, I admit that was 'way back then', but thinking about how much of one's salary actually goes towards housing (be it 25%, 50%, 75%) is something seriously worth thinking about. If people would FIRST THINK and not be in such a hurry to get over their head financially, they'd be better off. I agree that these rules are good - BUT THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE ADJUSTED DOWNWARDS NOW. So if the old rule said you could spend 300% of your annual income ON A HOUSE, I will say it should be 250% now. If your mortgage payments should be 25% of your after-tax income, now it should be 20%. This is why. Today gas, healthcare and college costs a lot more than they used to. They have gone up much more than the rate of inflation in the last 10 years. Food will soon catch up. The scope of buying other necessary goods( computer ) and lure of discretionary goods ( ipod, luxury car etc etc.) and services is much more now than before. NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY, YOU WILL END UP BUYING THESE. Your grandpa/ma probably did not have the opportunity of buying these. So ONE HAS TO take THESE INTO ACCOUNT AND ADJUST THE RULE OF THUMB FIGURES ACCORDINGLY.
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Mr X
Whittier, CA
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JJL wrote: <quoted text> You do understand that just because you had equity in a house a few years ago, that does not necessarily mean that you still have any today? I put 20% down on a house I bought 3 years ago. The house has gone down in value by nearly that much. If housing prices continue to plunge and I do not or cannot refinance, I will end up with an upside down mortgage - owing more than the house is worth. Around here, it's not all that an unusual situation. People with ARMS are especially in trouble because their payments are going up at the same time as the value of their houses are going down. What's the problem in owing more than the house is worth. DONT WE OWE MORE THAN OUR CARS ARE WORTH. Is there some sort of rule in the constitution that says people will not be allowed to lose money on their homes. The job loss, economic downturn etc. etc. is nothing this time compared to 2000.
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Mr X
Whittier, CA
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reality wrote: <quoted text> Thank you for sharing your story. I see people are so quick to judge others and they have no clue as to the big picture in all this. They think everybody went out and bought a new home, which was not the case. They are on their high horses right now because they haven't been burned yet! All of us are one illness, one accident or one corrupt CEO away from financial ruin. I would rather my taxed dollars help my fellow Americans. I don't hear any body complaining about the millions and billions of our taxed dollars going out of this country to support other countries. We should be taking care of this country and our people first. Many blessings to you. SO EVERYTIME SOMEBODY LOSES THEIR HOME AND HAS TO GO THRU THE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA AND HASSLE OF PACKING/UNPACKING, THE GOVT HAS TO RESCUE THEM ?? If govt rescues these homeowners, why should the govt not rescue the people who will lose their homes in 2009, 2010, 2011 ..... What is so special about these homeowners ?? The entire thing was their own making. A lot of them got GREEDY - plain and simple. They were so naive that they thought those low payments would remain for ever ??? They never knew how much their parents, friends etc. paid ?? THEY ARE JUST PRETENDING TO BE NAIVE NOW.
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“Who Dares, WINS!!!”
Joined: Sep 23, 2007
Comments: 1057
Loveland, Colorado!!
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Longmont, CO
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Patriot60 wrote: <quoted text>Does that mean that the corporate bailout was fine with you and you want accountability placed soley on the back of your fellow americans? Does your patriotism apply soley with those who fight in and support war? There is a war going on here at home in our nation. It is between the wealthy individuals and corporations and the rest of us. I have nothing against gaining wealth as long as it is NOT at the expense of everyone else,so don't mistake me for a socialist. But the individuals who are trying to attain the american dream of home ownership should not have been given these loans. Financial institutions have an obligation to protect the value of their holdings. They were greedy and negligent in approving these loans. Perhaps all the underwriters should be sent to Iraq or Afganistan to work off the inordinate debt they allowed to accrue and jepardize the stability of our economy even further. There is enough irresponsibility to go around why only hold the individual americans accountable? Don't they deserve the same assistance the industry received? No, the corporate bailout wasn't fine with me, but it was necessary. I did 20 years in the Army, and visited Iraq 4 times myself before retiring. If you bought a house on an ARM, and want the government to bail you out, and give you free shit, then go visit your local recruiter, and we'll se what we can do for you in return. I never got free handouts, nor would I really want them. Too bad so many of (y)our fellow American's expect, or demand them.
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harleyhoney
Edmonton, Canada
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No such thing as some people are more fortunate than others, that is an excuse used by the lame and weak. Be accountable or move back home with mommy and daddy until you can be accountable for yourself as an adult. No sympathy.
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Mr X
Whittier, CA
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Concerned Taxpayer wrote: Here is great idea -- Let's reward irresponsible behavior by the lender and borrower!(better yet, lets charge it to the taxpayers) ..... ..... If the gov't is going to force lenders to rewrite mortgages to lower the interest rate and loan amount, they need to do it for everyone. ... Totally agree. Giving PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO one group of people over another ( without any natural disaster reason ) really REALLY SUC*S. WELL, YOU CAN SHOW YOUR ANGER DURING NOVEMBER.
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Dinah
Woodbridge, VA
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Mr X wrote: <quoted text> TRUST the REALTOR - what morons. Funniest thing of it is, WORD gets around if people have been screwed. Why try to sacrifice your business for dishonesty? I know of TWO good realtors.
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Joined: Feb 28, 2008
Comments: 288
San Antonio
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United States
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Dakota wrote: <quoted text> Exactly so you should know the difference between Americans that obtained these loans and "illegal immigrants" that received these loans. I have been in the mortgage industry for over 30 yrs. Awhile ago I audited sub prime loans, so don't tell me what these people needed to come up with, I saw it first hand. This isn't an "illegal immigant" issue it very much has to do with the big picture of the sub prime mess. The "mounds of paperwork" you refer to shows how little you really know about the depth of the problem.Credit histories? what credit histories.....they didn't need them, a few bogus form of alternative credit sufficed.Employment wasn't verified through paystubs or tax returns...only a verbal..bank statements.....for accounts that didn't belong to them or maybe an 80/20 loan with cash on hand for closing being used. You are trying to relate sub prime loans to prime..totally different. They didn't call these "liar loans" for no reason.It matters not to me what you chose to believe, I saw it and full aware of one of the biggest scams pulled on the "American" people. So then, it would seem the solution would be to have an audit of subprime loans (at company expense), verify ssn s and deport those that are illegal. The mortgage company can then eat that loan and consider it payment for costs of deportation. If these loans were known as liar loans, why were these companies allowed to make them? Isn't that dishonest and wholly unamerican? Aren't those companies more to blame than the people (legal americans) who were undoubtedly delighted to be able to get a loan that would (supposedly)secure their finacial future? I don't think people should be relieved of responsibility if they have made poor decisions. However, I am also of the belief that we owe OUR fellow AMERICANS at LEAST as much, if not more,than we owe the mortgage/finance industry. OUR govenment is supposed to act on THE PEOPLE's behalf. So far they have only acted on behalf of their wealthy friends.
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medic 25
Rochester, NY
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Don't blame the home owners. Most of them financed their homes before our fabulous government passed NAFTA and CAFTA. Could you still make your mortgage payment if your job was shipped overseas and you had to take a minimum wage job without any benefits making less than half of what you use to make. Your mortgage payment doesn't go down just because your wages do. They just keep going up. Get real. The government is to blame.
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NE Red
Lincoln, NE
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I really don't know why the "rules" changed. I had to save my down-payment, raising 2 kids. No it's wasn't easy, but it was a goal that I met! I was also self-employed with no guarantees. I suppose I'd be called stupid for not taking advantage of free lunches for my kids, etc. but I didn't. I wasn't raised to reply on anyone other than myself and hard work. I purchased a house I knew I could afford and nothing more. I nearly have the house mortgage free, due to paying an additinal $50-$70 a month towards the loan balance. You can do anything you set your mind to do and sleep well at night knowing you're proud of yourself! If I on the other hand had purchased a house I knew I couldn't reasonably have afforded, I may have lost mine too. I certainly wouldn't have expected anyone to bail me out and find it inexcusable others feel our tax dollars should help them recover from their mistake. I needn't write anything about illegals and mortgages. You know by my writing I'm sure, how totally against that entire situation I am.
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