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Oh my, River Veteran, perhaps you are just not aware that the book has already been debunked from MANY sources. Even Mr. Corsi admits that his only purpose is to try stop Senator Obama from winning, just as he did Senator Kerry. Perhaps you are also not aware that Mr. Corsi ALSO says Senator McCain has ties to Al-Qaeda. Do you STILL feel his book is worth everyone's reading?

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Alan Charles wrote:

To everyone reading this post, I'd like to remind that talk radio spinmeisters do NOT have America's best interests at heart; their goal is to keep their listeners riled-up enough to hate anyone with a (D) after their name. To listen to them, you'd think America only needed a one-party system; theirs. And that no one with a (D) after their name has any purpose in being in America. I am not taking anything away from their skills; in fact, I consider them EXCELLENT wordsmiths who can take any statement and make you believe it says something entirely different. Perhaps the only thing that encourages me is, given the number of listeners they have,(according to their own numbers), at least 98% of Americans are NOT listening to them ~ and I'm banking on that other 98% being ready enough for a different way of doing government to vote for that different way come November.

Apparently you didn't listen to the hate that Air America Spewed...Oh...you just tell one side of a story.

Rush's fat azz has many listeners like fox has watchers and you don't like it. Why is it these conservative shows have MORE viewers and listeners that NPR and Air America?????? Because MORE people think the way they do.

Rush is an overpaid lardazz but the fact is you don't like his conservative message so everything he says is a lie.....when that is NOT the truth.

Instead of repeating MoveOn and DailyKos...tell us why you are voting for the messiah and then lets debate the issues.....unless you are scared like your man Obama is of McAmnesty.

There are two sides of every story....why do you only tell one.

The TRUTH is what matters......but apparently not to typical liberals like yourself.

Chester wrote:

You all saw McCain expose obama for the fraud he is during the Russia/Georgia conflict as the guy had no clue what to do while McCain addressed the situation like a true leader and president. Then McCain humiliated obama during the Saddleback forum the other night...just trounced him as you saw obama has absolutely no clue about running this country. Obamas response to abortion....it's above my pay grade, anything to avoid making a decision but of course we all know he will CHANGE it anyway. Good thing he's had Hillary and now McCain to steal ideas from. He's bullsheet obama, the master of DECEIT with solutions to NONE. The worst of obama is yet to be revealed but will be before the election, you all will soon be shocked even more.

And yet, the conflict WE are involved in, Iraq, left McCain looking like the senile old man he really is when he couldn't distinguish between a Sunni and Shi'ite.
And please, enlighten us about the "shocking" news?
No doubt another neocon tactic. You all enjoy that fearmongering so much.

Alan Charles wrote:

Oh my, River Veteran, perhaps you are just not aware that the book has already been debunked from MANY sources. Even Mr. Corsi admits that his only purpose is to try stop Senator Obama from winning, just as he did Senator Kerry. Perhaps you are also not aware that Mr. Corsi ALSO says Senator McCain has ties to Al-Qaeda. Do you STILL feel his book is worth everyone's reading?
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Alan, Alan, Alan.....You aren't that good at this are you.

You post a link to a google page??????? that doesn't debunk the book.....try again! the abomination of the Obama nation....LMAO.....did you even read it...they guy hasn't ever read the book.

Try and post the link to the SOURCE you reference in your post and you just MIGHT be a little more credible.

Oh, and please don't post one from Media Matters....as you know they are biased and don't tell the truth about pretty much anything!

Have you read the book......NO? Now run along and go play.......come back with some actual facts and we can debate. Until then....you lose!

Alan Charles wrote:

Oh my, Chester. For starters, I'd luv to know which Democrat you have voted for in any past election. You don't write like a man who would vote for ANY Democrat ... EVER.
What you saw as "no clue," seemed to me that Senator Obama was honestly trying to level with his audience, hence the substantial amount of applause for his responses. As for Senator McCain, he was in his element, pandering to his rightwing religious base. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm still waiting for responses from Pastor Rick and others explaining how it was Senator McCain was able to answer "yes, yes and" before the question was even ASKED about teacher pay. How could he answer a question that hadn't been asked and know that it was a three-part question? As to supporting our military and its veterans, perhaps you are just not aware of Senator McCain's voting record, in which he has voted AGAINST our military and veterans at almost every turn, except for those instances where he didn't show up TO vote. I think that's on the order of 60% of this year's votes. http://www.google.com/search...
That may explain why active-duty military in Iraq is donating to Senator Obama 6-1 more than to Senator McCain. http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/article...
We still have 76 days until the election, during which time, anything can happen, but it is my hope that the American people aren't deceived AGAIN like they were in 2000 and 2004.

Hello Alan. I voted Clinton and even feel Hillary this time was a better choice than obama, especially after he has been exposed now. In fact there are far more better qualified dems. to be president that what they are trying to force upon us and that is just wrong. The Saddleback forum, you got to see both answer the same questions - Obama paused alot, said 400 uhs and continually ducked issues, even his abortion postion he said it is above his pay grade...what ???? McCain at least gets to the point, does not beat around the bush as obama does and gives no spin, no bull comments. His answers were crisp and on the money, he is sharp and we all saw that. Saying there is some conspiracy is rather funny. Obama took a beating and he should accept that fact. Now we all know exactly why obama cancelled all his town hall meetings he was to have with McCain face to face. Obama is not good with ideas on his own, or speaking on his own without prewritten speechs or telepromps to aid him. That is painfully clear. I would see obama be a puppet for pelosi and not work at all with the rep. to resolve issues effecting the country. McCain has a history of going against the rep. party and working with the dems. to get things done. That it what we need right now, to heck with the parties and work for the best interests of the citizens for a change. McCain puts country first, the other guy does not.

LongGoneFromAtwn wrote:

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And yet, the conflict WE are involved in, Iraq, left McCain looking like the senile old man he really is when he couldn't distinguish between a Sunni and Shi'ite.
And please, enlighten us about the "shocking" news?
No doubt another neocon tactic. You all enjoy that fearmongering so much.

That is true......

It still doesn't change the fact that McAmnesty kicked his ass in the debate and that is why obama backed out on his word (lied) on debating McAmnesty!

Anytime...Anywhere....LMAO.... .Obama is a spineless pandering coward!

By using google links, I hope to give people more than any one side of the story, River Veteran, however, since you are an Iraq war veteran and I am a Vietnam-era veteran, I will use a link to the Iraq veterans who are AGAINST the war to make the point that not everyone comes back from battle feeling the same way they did going in. I know I surely didn't. http://ivaw.org/faq

As to the listening audience count and viewership numbers of men like Rush and those on Fox, according to these places themselves, they average about 3 million listeners or viewers a day. When they say they have 15 million, they have arrived at that figure by multiplying 3 million times 5 days, or 15 million. Given a population of around 300 million, 3 million listeners or viewers on any given day means that indeed, 98% of Americans are NOT paying them any attention. http://www.google.com/search...

As to why I am "for" Senator Obama, I thought I had been making my reasons clear; he represents to me ~ and others in America and around the world ~ a chance to change the way this administration has destroyed the budget surplus he inherited from President Clinton, destroyed any goodwill we had after 9/11 and by keeping our military in harms way for three, four and five tours is also destroying the families of our military men and women. Or, put another way, sir, I am "for" everything you seem to be against.

River Veteran wrote:

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Apparently you didn't listen to the hate that Air America Spewed...Oh...you just tell one side of a story.
Rush's fat **** has many listeners like fox has watchers and you don't like it. Why is it these conservative shows have MORE viewers and listeners that NPR and Air America?????? Because MORE people think the way they do.
Rush is an overpaid lardazz but the fact is you don't like his conservative message so everything he says is a lie.....when that is NOT the truth.
Instead of repeating MoveOn and DailyKos...tell us why you are voting for the messiah and then lets debate the issues.....unless you are scared like your man Obama is of McAmnesty.
There are two sides of every story....why do you only tell one.
The TRUTH is what matters......but apparently not to typical liberals like yourself.

Right on River Veteran. Can't twist the truth about obama no matter how bad you try. The guy is incompetent to be president.

River Veteran wrote:

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That is true......
It still doesn't change the fact that McAmnesty kicked his **** in the debate and that is why obama backed out on his word (lied) on debating McAmnesty!
Anytime...Anywhere....LMAO.... .Obama is a spineless pandering coward!

Coward is a good word for obama. He is the master of DECEIT with solutions to NONE. he has been exposed for the fraud he is but I'm afraid we have seen nothing yet. We will all be shocked even more about this guy very, very soon.

You surprised me by admitting you voted for Clinton, chester. I voted for GW in 2000, but changed parties in 2003 because of what I saw as his disastrous foreign and domestic policies.

I'll have to tell you what I've seen many a moderator on rightwing websites tell their posters about Senator McCain. Like him or not, he's our party's candidate; live with it.

Most of us have had our own favorites we may have liked to see as our party's candidate, but Senator Obama and Senator McCain are the ones their respective parties chose to be their nominee, so they are our only two real choices in November.

As to the Saddleback Forum, I imagine our opinions of who "won" it will be based on our own perceptions or party affiliation, but as a former 40-year registered Republican, I see in John McCain another 4 years of Bush doctrine, and that alone would keep me from voting for him.

Since River Veteran seems to believe all Senator Obama does is lie, perhaps I'll really set him off with THIS google link. http://www.google.com/search... People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, River Rat. It isn't becoming.

In case you missed some of my earlier posts, I have repeatedly said that to me, the best way to make up your mind who to vote for in November is to visit both men's websites and read their policy statements, google them both and youtube them both and decide which man you're going to vote for. It's a clean, concise way to decide and avoids all the stuff I'm seeing coming from too many McCain supporters. I made up my mind who I was going to vote for the day Senator Obama announced his candidacy and have not wavered from that. Many posters to this particular thread I'm confident made up their minds about Senator McCain, so I don't see that anything we're doing here is going to change anyone's mind; what it WILL do is show people reading this the difference in the way supporters of both men present their reasons for doing so.

Alan Charles wrote:

You surprised me by admitting you voted for Clinton, chester. I voted for GW in 2000, but changed parties in 2003 because of what I saw as his disastrous foreign and domestic policies.
I'll have to tell you what I've seen many a moderator on rightwing websites tell their posters about Senator McCain. Like him or not, he's our party's candidate; live with it.
Most of us have had our own favorites we may have liked to see as our party's candidate, but Senator Obama and Senator McCain are the ones their respective parties chose to be their nominee, so they are our only two real choices in November.
As to the Saddleback Forum, I imagine our opinions of who "won" it will be based on our own perceptions or party affiliation, but as a former 40-year registered Republican, I see in John McCain another 4 years of Bush doctrine, and that alone would keep me from voting for him.

I see McCain not following in the bush shadow at all having effectively worked with rep. and dem. parties alike to resolve issues first. He is called the maverick for doing this his whole career. He is much like a third party candidate to work with both sides effectively and that is what we need right now. Other guy will not work with both parties at all and may end up dividing the country even further so hope that does not happen. I don't buy the change as there are no solutions just talk. the only change I see from obama is his constant changing of his positions if the public and the polls are against him at the time. Flip flopper if you will.

Gee, chester, is that why so many Republican websites I visit each day are calling him anything BUT "maverick"? Perhaps you missed the link I gave River Veteran above. Somehow the stories shown at http://www.google.com/search... don't make him sound much like a "maverick" to me, either. As for flip flops, perhaps you just aren't aware of some of Senator McCain's, so I'll offer you http://www.google.com/search...

Chester wrote:

<quoted text>I see McCain not following in the bush shadow at all having effectively worked with rep. and dem. parties alike to resolve issues first. He is called the maverick for doing this his whole career. He is much like a third party candidate to work with both sides effectively and that is what we need right now. Other guy will not work with both parties at all and may end up dividing the country even further so hope that does not happen. I don't buy the change as there are no solutions just talk. the only change I see from obama is his constant changing of his positions if the public and the polls are against him at the time. Flip flopper if you will.

Just the facts, why so hard headed that you cannot see straight.

that last one was for you Alan. Did you hit your head or something, is that why you swung so far to the left.

surfcaster wrote:

Thanks for your insightful letter, Mr. Gardner. Have you read the "Obama Nation" by Corsi? It is a well researched and documented book. Have a great week.

Heaven forbid if we actually find out some facts about obama before the election. You cannot trust his website as they delete everything that is an embarrassement to the guy. The cover up has been rather extensive to defraud the public to this point. Good thing obama is self destructing on his own for us to see but there will be much worse coming soon you can count on it. Read up all, there is a reason the "Obama Nation" book is a top seller.

No. My reason for the abrupt change was George Walker Bush. I supported and voted for him in 2000 because he ran as a compassionate conservative who was going to unite the country and bring honor back to the White House, and after the embarassment of the Clinton administration, I saw that as a good thing, however, just a few months into his administration, I began to feel as if I had been had.

It wasn't until he began his runup to war in Iraq that I began to become even remotely active in politics. I wrote him almost every other day pleading with him to seek calmer counsel. After the made-for-tv week of shock-and-awe where we dropped 5,000 bombs on the city of Baghdad with no coverage of anyone being injured or killed, that I felt I had had enough. I went to my local Elections Board, changed parties, came home and wrote him a two-page letter and told him he was my reason for doing so. And I have not looked back.

I have posted on both liberal and conservative websites since that time and am ALWAYS bashed by conservatives for "never having been a "real" republican, even though they are happy to call Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman Democrats.

As time passed, I became more and more actively involved in local politics and once I retired, I became more involved in using the internet to try to counter some of the things I've seen on the net and heard on tv. I stopped listening to Rush, Sean, Neal, etc. etc. several years ago because all it did was spike my blood pressure every time I heard one of them saying things I knew full well weren't true.

As a veteran, I was appalled at Bush's full-on attempts to gut and cut military pay and benefits almost from day one of his presidency.

As a man who has always felt we were all in this thing together, I was appalled at how many people seemed to feel anyone with a (D) behind their name really shouldn't be in America [and in some cases, alive]

As a veteran, I grew quite tired of all the posts telling me I was an unAmerican, unpatriotic, al-Qaeda-luv'n surrender monkey because I wouldn't support Bush's war in Iraq.

As a believer, I grew quite tired of being told that [apparently] the Creator of the universe had chosen only one party to bestow all wisdom and knowledge to, and it wasn't mine, and since it wasn't mine, then I must be on my way to hell.

Now that you know a little of my background, perhaps you will better understand why I may sometimes seem less-than-willing to accomodate you when you try to tell me the same things I've been subjected to since 2003.

Yes, Chester, there IS a reason Mr. Corsi's book is a #1 bestseller. Do you know what it is? Perhaps it's time you learned. With books like this, people with lots of money buy 'em up, pushing them to the top of bestseller lists, then GIVE THEM AWAY! Please DO go check that out for yourself. I surely wouldn't ask you to take MY word for it.

Alan Charles wrote:

Yes, Chester, there IS a reason Mr. Corsi's book is a #1 bestseller. Do you know what it is? Perhaps it's time you learned. With books like this, people with lots of money buy 'em up, pushing them to the top of bestseller lists, then GIVE THEM AWAY! Please DO go check that out for yourself. I surely wouldn't ask you to take MY word for it.

Your funny Alan, what's wrong with Americans buying it to find out some real facts to expose obama for the fraud he is. Lots of facts in there to consider.#1 for a reason, informed Americans want to know so why does he hide his past and not just come out with it. He's barrack HUSSEIN obama, the master of DECEIT with solutions to NONE.

Great original article by Mr. Gardner, worth a read again by all.