Anti-choice forces are relentless. Like it or not, so must their foes be

Feb 27, 2012 Full story: Daily Kos 1,146

Virginia State Sen. Janet Howell wanted to amend a mandatory pre-abortion ultrasound bill by requiring rectal exams and cardiac stress tests before allowing prescriptions for erectile dysfunction medication.

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Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#64 May 15, 2012
JTM wrote:
Its a guess on my part, but I'd imagine that a doctor prescribing these medicines would already order the necessary tests. If there is a medical necessity for an ultrasound, why not require it? One of the more legitimate claims about abortion clinics is that they perform major medical procedures without the usual oversite required of other medical providers. Senator Howell is just trying to be outrageous to garner attention. Seems to me that both sides are so caught up in their rhetoric that they seem to over look the obvious.
There is no medical necessity for an ultrasound of the uterus before an elective abortion. A cardiac stress test before prescribing a drug like Viagra actually makes sense.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#65 May 15, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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or perhaps to force them to think about the life they are flushing down the toilet...
Pre-procedure teaching is part of any surgical treatment. Passing judgement on the patient is not within a physician's or a nurse's scope of practice.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#66 May 15, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Pro-life lawmakers have already added things like "Woman must watch a prolife video and read prolife reading materials, then wait 24 hours".
You can pretend THAT has something to do with information (though it really doesn't).
You can't pretend that forcing a woman to get an extremely invasive and totally unnecessary procedure is anything but trying to punish the woman for her choice.
Imagine if a man wanted a prescription for Viagra and a new law was added that said once he goes to the doctor, he must take a trial dose and then have sex with a painfully rough robotic hand to test if he's "sure he really wants it". Would that be reasonable?
I'm not sure that that many men would mind that. Lol

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#67 May 15, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
"We don't need anyone telling us what we can or can not do regarding our own health care issues."
uh, well, there is the health care of another person involved here as well. you are the caretaker for that person. and you choose that they get no life? this is not just a wart being removed from your toe.
A fetus is not a person. Yes, we women get to decide whether it lives or not.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#68 May 15, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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and they can't get pregnant without a man.
there are some cultures that think similarly to you. "she is MY wife. she WILL wear a burkha. she will be STONED if she disobeys ME. I am the one who decides what will happen."
deal with it.
That makes no sense.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#69 May 16, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>A fetus is not a person. Yes, we women get to decide whether it lives or not.
And there lies the root of your ill-conceived (sic), falacious attempt to avoid responsibility for your actions.(the fetus)
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#70 May 16, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>That makes no sense.
Just as everyone is an IT until they are popped out?
Outside the Box

Woodland Hills, CA

#71 May 16, 2012
If the anti-life crowd puts so much emphasis on choice, would they sing the same tune if the fetus had the ability to abort the mother? Kind of a one-way street isn't it? Easy to pick on someone that can't fight back, huh?

I also find it ironic how some women claim the right to decide whether their child lives or dies, but then will expect the gov't/state/society/schools/tv to raise the child.

I'm pro-life, and as much as it pains me to say it, I think that the pro-choice stance is the lesser of the two evils when it comes to some of the homes and treatment many abused children have to endure every day. I'd rather see those parents aborted than a child in the womb.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#72 May 16, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>And there lies the root of your ill-conceived (sic), falacious attempt to avoid responsibility for your actions.(the fetus)
You have a right to your opinion.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#73 May 22, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>You have a right to your opinion.
We ALL do, but that doesn't mean you have the right to kill another human being. yeah, yeah, I've heard your mantra about the "fetus" not being a human being. So much easier to live with your guilt by believing the child to be "it", a nameless, faceless "blob of tissue". BTW YOU are ALSO a faceless nameless blob of tissue here on the internet.
Ocean56

AOL

#74 May 22, 2012
Asdf wrote:
It has to be some mental illness that makes a woman want to kill a living part of themselves.
It's not about choice, it's about wanting to escape the consequences of their actions (especially if the taxpayers and not they will foot the bill).
Now, I can understand in the case of rape, wanting an abortion... or if the mother/fetus were at risk... but to just decide that it's an inconvenience is something they should have thought about before spreading their legs. The same goes for fathers who encourage abortions of their offspring.
Riiiiiiiiiight, so once again, it's all about PUNISHING the woman who had sex by consent, not any type of "concern for life."

Luckily for all women, including the ones who DON'T want to stay pregnant and give birth by force, anti-choice imbeciles like you don't get to make reproductive choices for anyone but yourself.
Ocean56

AOL

#75 May 22, 2012
JD in VA wrote:
Abortion is not a woman exercising her "right over her own body" - it's the destruction of a developing human being (that's not religious dogma or political pandering. It's a biological fact)- in many cases because a woman and her partner were not careful enough in exercising their "rights over their own bodies".
In case you're too uninformed to know this, ALL birth control methods can and DO fail occasionally. Which means a woman could be very careful using birth control and it can still fail for a number of reasons.

Whether pregnancy resulted from lack of protection or birth control failure, it is still the WOMAN's decision to continue it or not. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. That's a fact too.
Ocean56

AOL

#76 May 22, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
don't go down the road of the "already born and neglected children". while people understand there are children in miserable circumstances, you get on slippery moral ground rapidly when you start to say things like, "oh, they would have had a miserable life anyway..."
In other words, you COULDN'T CARE LESS about the born children who are neglected at best and abused at worst. THAT anti-choice attitude comes through very well.

It's pathetic to see you try to tell people what to do or not do when you have so little regard for the children who are already here.
Ocean56

AOL

#77 May 22, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
And there lies the root of your ill-conceived (sic), falacious attempt to avoid responsibility for your actions.(the fetus)
Of course, in your anti-choice world, the woman who consents to sex must be PUNISHED for that choice by being FORCED to stay pregnant and give birth.

Yeah, for anti-choice fanatics like you, it must really suck that women can either prevent unwanted pregnancy by using reliable contraception or terminate unwanted pregnancy by using abortion if the BC fails. Too bad. Women aren't in the dark ages where men made all their sexual and reproductive choices for them, not anymore. Get used to it...or not, it doesn't matter. You still don't get to choose for anyone but yourself.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#78 May 22, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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In other words, you COULDN'T CARE LESS about the born children who are neglected at best and abused at worst. THAT anti-choice attitude comes through very well.
It's pathetic to see you try to tell people what to do or not do when you have so little regard for the children who are already here.
not at all. rather, you cannot ease your conscience by saying, "aw, they would have had a crummy life anyway..."
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#79 May 22, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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In other words, you COULDN'T CARE LESS about the born children who are neglected at best and abused at worst. THAT anti-choice attitude comes through very well.
It's pathetic to see you try to tell people what to do or not do when you have so little regard for the children who are already here.
I would like to see you tell the women that get abortions because their birth control failed, or they just don't want to be pregnant now, that they would be neglectful or abusive parents. I DARE you to. Your argument is thinly veiled doublespeak for being essentially lazy...and I WILL tell the aborter that that is what they are doing.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#80 May 22, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Of course, in your anti-choice world, the woman who consents to sex must be PUNISHED for that choice by being FORCED to stay pregnant and give birth.
Yeah, for anti-choice fanatics like you, it must really **** that women can either prevent unwanted pregnancy by using reliable contraception or terminate unwanted pregnancy by using abortion if the BC fails. Too bad. Women aren't in the dark ages where men made all their sexual and reproductive choices for them, not anymore. Get used to it...or not, it doesn't matter. You still don't get to choose for anyone but yourself.
Don't call me an anti-choice fanatic unless you admit to being an anti-life fanatic...again double speak to hide your true colors...you're either pro life or pro-abortion, the choice has always been there...you're LAZY. and irresponsible...and self centered...et al.
Ocean56

AOL

#81 May 22, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
not at all. rather, you cannot ease your conscience by saying, "aw, they would have had a crummy life anyway..."
It's obvious to ME that you couldn't care less about children who ARE neglected at best and abused at worst because one or both parents never wanted to BE parents in the first place. Your indifference -- so typical of the anti-choice mentality -- is duly noted.
Ocean56

AOL

#82 May 22, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
I would like to see you tell the women that get abortions because their birth control failed, or they just don't want to be pregnant now, that they would be neglectful or abusive parents. I DARE you to. Your argument is thinly veiled doublespeak for being essentially lazy...and I WILL tell the aborter that that is what they are doing.
Actually, sparky, I simply said that some women who are FORCED to stay pregnant and give birth when they never wanted pregnancy or a child to begin might become negligent or abusive. I never said that was the case with ALL women.

In any case, it doesn't matter what a woman's reasons are for aborting an unwanted pregnancy. It is a PRIVATE matter, between the woman and her doctor. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision...or any of your business.
Ocean56

AOL

#83 May 22, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
Don't call me an anti-choice fanatic unless you admit to being an anti-life fanatic...again double speak to hide your true colors...you're either pro life or pro-abortion, the choice has always been there...you're LAZY. and irresponsible...and self centered...et al.
Call me whatever idiotic names you like, sparky, they don't concern me. As far as I'M concerned, you are an anti-choice fanatic, because you don't want a woman to have ANY choices if she gets pregnant other than gestation and birth. Got a problem with my saying that? Tough.

What I am is PRO-CHOICE, which simply means let EACH woman decide. Not YOUR pregnancy? Then it isn't your decision.

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