The President has failed us

Time and Space wrote:

The same people crying on this thread, would have failed under any administration...regardless of who was President...and that is a fact...
Until they learn to make better decisions in their own personal lives...they'll always seek out a scape goat to blame...

You're dealing with a bunch of ignorant, unemployed and in super debt Americans who seem to not be capable of accepting personal responsibility for their own fked up lives so they try to blame other people.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>You're reading impaired. Lay off the speed, idiot. Try to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n and digest what somebody posts instead of patting yourself so hard on the back that you burp, you clown. George Bush did NOT "INHERIT" 9/11 - regardless of how communication between branches was screwed up. It happened directly on HIS WATCH and under his responsibility. Do you understand the difference between Bush's role in that responsibility versus Obama actually INHERITING Bush's mess? Apparently, you don't.

No NTR Bush did inherit 911.. Clinton knew we were under attack and failed at his watch.. Those 19 that hi-jacked the planes didn't train overnight.. Some were in flight school in the US for like 18 months I believe.. Does the Cole and WTC bombing ring a bell?? All under Clintons watch..

Eagle

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>Nobody will be making any references to any such thing....
They will be more focused on what Obama promised to build and didn't succeed at doing with the citizens' wealth, for the citizen and our nation of citizens....

So...because u don't always accomplish, what you set out to do...does that make 'you' evil or bad?

Are Olympians who set out to get a gold medal, but come back with a bronze medal instead...are they 'evil' because they didn't get the gold?
And do you resent them?

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>It's diversified, Posit.

OK, That is an option....Yours, not mine..

Many have not read the 9-11 commission report and don't know what it is all about. How can it be all in full facts known and told, if there was no alive bin Laden to fully disclose and tell them all?

If Bin Laden did not issue videos telling the terror of 9-11 done by them, then people would have taking it as an airplane accident.

Then Bin Laden would be the one only to disclose if he was captured alive to tell them all,including other operations of other terrorists and AL QAEDA and many such more,WHICH are crucial in the conduct of knowing more and what to do.

People have not fully known all the details of terror of 9-11 while many of those committing that 9-11 are still at large, as they need to know--and that is the point and only with an alive bin Laden could only be possible to find out everything and thus USA failed to pursue clear evidences of all other conspirators and the full terror scheme with not an alive bin Laden.

The particulars and real details of how 9-11 happened, for the 9-11 planning, schemes, accomplices and conspirators have not been presented to the public world because the world needs to know as many world citizens were killed at that terror--and only with an alive bin Laden could only be possible to find out everything.

Obama has shut down these aspects by boasting his bravery and taking credit for killing bin Laden, by not being able to come up with the details of the happening of 9-11 by ALL conspirators instead.

This will be viewed as a big discredit for Obama and the poor showing since getting bin Laden is not a brave decision, BECAUSE, while US has a whole country's large military presence in the region,IT IS JUST a ROUTINE.

As getting bin Laden-"dead or alive" should be the message to get a big monetary reward, it would be automatic for anyone to do so--including any world people as not as country's president or military officers, can collect that large reward by taking bin Laden with proof.

With an entire country of agents and force behind it, only a fool like Obama would be claiming this ordeal, as it is appalling and looks really ugly for Obama that he has touted his big mouth by being counter-productive.

Yet individuals of the world if were to have caught bin Laden (dead or alive)--especially caught alive (which would be more useful to answer all 9-11 particulars), would disclose their operations in order to collect the reward.

If US says the operation is of classified information,it then is not even matching the ability of individuals who were to have done that because they would tell their operations.

However, pictures of dead bin Laden and DNA should not be the classified information because knowing of getting the real person is the bottom line of everything.

Releasing pictures of dead bin Laden and more data is not owing to the security or fear for Muslims uprising as they claim--it is undignified way of doing this bin Laden story by Obama in the assessment thus, since protective measures (which were already taken after 9-11 happening) are the ways to deal with any type of information releasing and all other matters.

As USA already has conducted targeting against terror, and with its involvement and other actions , these have been shown in bigger enticing the disturbing sentiments of many Muslims already around the world--while it has been the trend for USA already, by telling to not releasing pictures and data of Laden and 9-11, is of ugly business.
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It was vital to capture Bin Laden alive, yet they failed it.

Then Bin Laden would be the one to disclose only if he was captured alive to tell them all,including other operations of other terrorists and AL QAEDA and many such more, WHICH are crucial in the conduct of knowing more and what to do.

EAGLE EYE1 wrote:

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No NTR Bush did inherit 911.. Clinton knew we were under attack and failed at his watch.. Those 19 that hi-jacked the planes didn't train overnight.. Some were in flight school in the US for like 18 months I believe.. Does the Cole and WTC bombing ring a bell?? All under Clintons watch..
Eagle

Well, I suppose we can talk about how many Presidents inherited the Cold War as well, but trying to say that the event of 9/11 was inherited (as though George Bush had no responsibility to pick up the ball when he took office) is the equivalent of saying Barack Obama had no responsibility to progress us forward and up and out of Recession. He did, indeed, inherit a Great Recession, and we have come out of Recession (even if we may be headed back in). Corporations have profited greatly, and the wealthiest have recovered their losses as well in this recovery. But, it's not been a recovery for the unemployed, and wages have continued to stagnate with all the benefit of the recovery (well, at least 96% of it) accruing to the wealthiest.

So, a jobless recovery has created a great demand on social welfare services while working well for the wealthiest. Now that Obama has indicated that it's time for us to refocus our efforts on the middle class (and he's been trying to push jobs legislation through), the very businesses he assisted in their own recovery now want to dump him. It's a terrific campaign that the wealthy have underway. They have funded their candidate in the form of Mitt Romney, and wherever they can cut and gash their way through government, as long as the wealthiest hold their wealth, the h*ll with everybody else. I'm guessing you don't see that, but that is how I see it.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>You're reading impaired. Lay off the speed, idiot. Try to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n and digest what somebody posts instead of patting yourself so hard on the back that you burp, you clown. George Bush did NOT "INHERIT" 9/11 - regardless of how communication between branches was screwed up. It happened directly on HIS WATCH and under his responsibility. Do you understand the difference between Bush's role in that responsibility versus Obama actually INHERITING Bush's mess? Apparently, you don't.

Memory refresh time:

NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, Bush didn't have his internal agencies communicating with each other very well. Remember? He didn't "inherit" 9/11. It happened on his watch and by the failures of his people who were supposed to be able to prevent that kind of terrorist attack. Besides, he was busy reading a story book upside down to some children, and it took him an inordinately long time to connect the dots and get his azz up and on the road. His batting eyes seemed to go on for quite a long time while he struggled to put this horrible news in perspective. I'd hate to tell him there was a copperhead under the desk beside his foot and see how long it took him to figure out exactly what that meant.

My reponse:

WRONG!!! Bush's people were NOT the problem. IF you had read the 9/11 commission report, you would have found that there were walls erected (mainly by Jamie Gorlick) during the clinton admin that would not allow the sharing of information between CIA, NSA, FBI and other LE agencies. There were multiple reasons but this was probably the biggest failure of the system and the information gap had been going for some time before Bush stepped in. Please review your history book. And, you criticize me for my alleged short term memory loss.

You:

I don't believe I did read the full 9/11 Commission Report, and I really don't recall the details of what I did read. I take it you did and do. Now, I suppose you'd like to conduct a survey and a pop quiz? I'm afraid I'm not all that interested in going back to 9/11 right now, but maybe somebody else wants to play.
I'm more concerned about how we deal with the here and now in paying down the debt, creating new jobs that pay a decent wage (tax contributors) and eliminating waste, fraud and preferential tax treatment while maintaining a social welfare safety net. Along with that, I'm concerned that we educate and train our people to compete and innovate in a global competitive marketplace and that we fight to once again bring to America opportunity for all - available for the effort and diligence it takes to earn that opportunity and not limited by birth station.

Continued below....

Me:

Well, if you don't know anything about the background of 9/11 and how it happened, then, don't go throwing out accusations and making claims like you do know. And, that goes for anything else out there. You just seem to repeat what the talking heads made you believe without verifying it. Put the kool-aid DOWN, and back away!!!
Nice job changing the subject when called out. It's sooooo surprising that you would do that. NOT!

You:

No, I didn't, little liar. I admitted right up front to either not remembering if I read the Commission report (in full) on 9/11 and not recalling about it. Why don't YOU put the d*mned right wing conspiracy theory propaganda links down, and get back to the REAL news which is usually available from myriad sources and which is backed up 95% of the time with facts. When they screw up, at least they admit to it and apologize. You never get an apology from a propaganda site. They just continue posting lies, rumors and half-truths, and Crickett23 keeps posting them long after they've been debunked.
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My point was never about Bush inheriting 9/11. My point was about the fact that you were wrong in claiming that it was Bush's people that didn't prevent 9/11 from happening. I explained why you were wrong. Then, you change the subject like a good little called out liberal. YOU are the one that now argues about the inheritance part. I never said anything about it because it's stupid as well as false to say that.
Hope this clears some of the fog in that massive empty space you use to support your face and hair.

WTF happened to my first part of this reply to NTR? Too tired to go back and show the timeline.

Time and Space wrote:

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So...because u don't always accomplish, what you set out to do...does that make 'you' evil or bad?
Are Olympians who set out to get a gold medal, but come back with a bronze medal instead...are they 'evil' because they didn't get the gold?
And do you resent them?

No that would make me a failure and even more so if I promised an entire nation what I would accomplish and didn't deliver in in my first term like I said I would.....
Just as Obama has done...
Second place is always first loser no matter which way you cut it....Anything less than first place is nothing but consolation, IMO....
Our enemies surely know this...
Otherwise we wouldn't have any..

George W Bush Authorized 9/11 Attacks Says Stanley Hilton - a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R)

http://globalresearch.ca/ , May 23, 2008

9/11 was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder.

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Bill Christian - former CIA analyst

Let's address the real issues here. Why is it important that we not let the so-called conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 be drowned out? After spending the better part of the last five years treating these theories with utmost skepticism, I have devoted serious time to actually studying them in recent months, and have also carefully watched several videos that are available on the subject. I have come to believe that significant parts of the 9/11 theories are true, and that therefore significant parts of the “official story” put out by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission are false…

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Questions 9/11
by Washington's Blog
www.globalresearch.ca/ , February 20, 2010

Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recentlysaid that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.

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Raymond McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran

Yet Another Congressman Questions 9/11
by Washington's Blog
www.globalresearch.ca/ , February 20, 2010

I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke.

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>No that would make me a failure and even more so if I promised an entire nation what I would accomplish and didn't deliver in in my first term like I said I would.....
Just as Obama has done...
Second place is always first loser no matter which way you cut it....Anything less than first place is nothing but consolation, IMO....
Our enemies surely know this...
Otherwise we wouldn't have any..

If President Obama, or any other President...Rep or Dem, came through on every single promise they made...that would make them a 'dictator'....
Is that what you want?....

Come one man/woman...snap out of it...

This nation is full of checks and balances for a reason...

The Road to 9/11
Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America
by Peter Dale Scott
University of California Press, 2007, paperback, p24

Throughout the 1990s both the U.S. oil industry and the Pentagon had contributed to the consensus that America would need full-spectrum dominance to guarantee access to oil and other resources in the rest of the world. This program would require massive expenditures, perhaps as much as a trillion dollars, and this could not be expected from Congress - except in response to an attack as massive and frightening as Pearl Harbor.

With respect to the events of 9/11 it is clear that the Bush Administration's settled goal of invading Iraq depended on the attack. What we have been witnessing, to quote the Oslo researcher Ola Tunander is "the use of terrorism to construct world order.

Obama has had well over three years to make things better in this country, and they have only gotten worse! Now he has us in debt so bad it will take a miracle to ever recover!!

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>Well, I suppose we can talk about how many Presidents inherited the Cold War as well, but trying to say that the event of 9/11 was inherited (as though George Bush had no responsibility to pick up the ball when he took office) is the equivalent of saying Barack Obama had no responsibility to progress us forward and up and out of Recession. He did, indeed, inherit a Great Recession, and we have come out of Recession (even if we may be headed back in). Corporations have profited greatly, and the wealthiest have recovered their losses as well in this recovery. But, it's not been a recovery for the unemployed, and wages have continued to stagnate with all the benefit of the recovery (well, at least 96% of it) accruing to the wealthiest.
So, a jobless recovery has created a great demand on social welfare services while working well for the wealthiest. Now that Obama has indicated that it's time for us to refocus our efforts on the middle class (and he's been trying to push jobs legislation through), the very businesses he assisted in their own recovery now want to dump him. It's a terrific campaign that the wealthy have underway. They have funded their candidate in the form of Mitt Romney, and wherever they can cut and gash their way through government, as long as the wealthiest hold their wealth, the h*ll with everybody else. I'm guessing you don't see that, but that is how I see it.

Bush inherited a recession as well.. But really I do remember getting a 600.00 dollar check when Bush was in office.. And I think that only cost 35 billion for every taxpayer to get a check to stimulate the economy.. Tell me how much would every American would have received of the 700+ billion of stimulus if it went directly to the American people instead on not so shovel ready projects?? And projects like High Speed Rail that are a waster of money?? Oh and we surely can't forget solar companies as well..

Eagle

I guess some of you all want a 'dictator'...like Fidel Castro...instead of a President...

Your idea of success is a President always getting his/her way...and over stepping Congress and the Senate...and the Legistlative branch?

Some of you all really need to 'snap' out of it...your bias towards the President is really making you contridictory....

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>Well, I suppose we can talk about how many Presidents inherited the Cold War as well, but trying to say that the event of 9/11 was inherited (as though George Bush had no responsibility to pick up the ball when he took office) is the equivalent of saying Barack Obama had no responsibility to progress us forward and up and out of Recession. He did, indeed, inherit a Great Recession, and we have come out of Recession (even if we may be headed back in). Corporations have profited greatly, and the wealthiest have recovered their losses as well in this recovery. But, it's not been a recovery for the unemployed, and wages have continued to stagnate with all the benefit of the recovery (well, at least 96% of it) accruing to the wealthiest.
So, a jobless recovery has created a great demand on social welfare services while working well for the wealthiest. Now that Obama has indicated that it's time for us to refocus our efforts on the middle class (and he's been trying to push jobs legislation through), the very businesses he assisted in their own recovery now want to dump him. It's a terrific campaign that the wealthy have underway. They have funded their candidate in the form of Mitt Romney, and wherever they can cut and gash their way through government, as long as the wealthiest hold their wealth, the h*ll with everybody else. I'm guessing you don't see that, but that is how I see it.

Goes way back to days MAnifest Destiny --- American Exceptionalism and still in Effect NeoCon/agenda and interventionsit Policy - OIL/USD hegemony , andUS macroeconomic warfare on global scale , and too the prescribing to Leo Struassian Philosophy and Jocabian Precepts that had got our Empire into alot of hurt and created a rollback global enemies and this had ruined our civil liberities... US is financial and moral bankrupt!

Obama suks wrote:

Obama has had well over three years to make things better in this country, and they have only gotten worse! Now he has us in debt so bad it will take a miracle to ever recover!!

Worse for who?????

I don't hear the rich complaining...

So you can remove them from that list...the billionares you so love...who could care the less about you...

fishaholic wrote:

Me:
Well, if you don't know anything about the background of 9/11 and how it happened, then, don't go throwing out accusations and making claims like you do know. And, that goes for anything else out there. You just seem to repeat what the talking heads made you believe without verifying it. Put the kool-aid DOWN, and back away!!!
Nice job changing the subject when called out. It's sooooo surprising that you would do that. NOT!
You:
No, I didn't, little liar. I admitted right up front to either not remembering if I read the Commission report (in full) on 9/11 and not recalling about it. Why don't YOU put the d*mned right wing conspiracy theory propaganda links down, and get back to the REAL news which is usually available from myriad sources and which is backed up 95% of the time with facts. When they screw up, at least they admit to it and apologize. You never get an apology from a propaganda site. They just continue posting lies, rumors and half-truths, and Crickett23 keeps posting them long after they've been debunked.
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My point was never about Bush inheriting 9/11. My point was about the fact that you were wrong in claiming that it was Bush's people that didn't prevent 9/11 from happening. I explained why you were wrong. Then, you change the subject like a good little called out liberal. YOU are the one that now argues about the inheritance part. I never said anything about it because it's stupid as well as false to say that.
Hope this clears some of the fog in that massive empty space you use to support your face and hair.

You = every effort under the sun to compare George Bush inheriting 9/11 with Barack Obama inheriting a Great Recession CREATED under George Bush's Administration. I don't excuse George Bush, the sitting President, for his failure to ensure that the sharing of information across HIS security agencies operated the way HE wanted it to operate. Do you follow? When HIS Administration was allowed to continue under the terms some other president sat, that was on HIM. So, you can cut and paste previous posts until the cows come home, and I reject your original argument that George Bush "inherited" 9/11 in the same way that Barack Obama "inherited" a Great Recession.

It didn't happen that way, and I don't care whose report or what structure, or anything else you want to call me out on, because the entirety of your efforts to parallel the two situations as being identical in that each was "inherited" is pig headedly wrong, wrong and doubly wrong.

Now, share your perspective with somebody who is more interested in revisiting 9/11 and poor George's troubles than I am.

Nobody has "inherited" anything like what Obama inherited with this economy since the Great Depression. That you or anybody else expects he should have fixed the problem in three and a half years, especially in a GLOBAL economic interconnected world, is stupid, short-sighted, and unrealistic.

Maybe he could have done more. Most of us think he could. But, if you think Mitt Romney has solutions to our problems, I think you're going to be rudely awakened should he win this election. Almost NOTHING he has talked about doing on "Day One" can be accomplished, and who will be left to pick up the tab? Those who have had the least participation over the last three or more decades: the working poor and the middle class.

Did I make myself clear? I hope so.

Rep/Con are lost...

First they say Government can't create jobs...
Now they put job creation on the back of President Obama...wow...

They are lost...confused...and change their value system depending on who's in office...