Turtle bay thug club

TonyT1961 wrote:

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Yes I do - and I'm not saying I agree with this either. One can have ideological affiliations without agreeing with every aspect of what that party does. I was against the Patriot Act from it's inception - once anyone allows their rights to be sacrificed, even under the guise of fear, which is what the Bush/Cheney regime pushed, it is almost impossible to regain those rights again.
Decisions made under the guise of fear have underlying implications those pushing for drastic changes such as these put forth. But no one in the company had worked in believed this.
Every one of them feel like a bunch of schmucks now.

TonyT1961 wrote:

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One can have ideological affiliations without agreeing with every aspect of what that party does.

Not if you are a Republican.

swampmudd wrote:

<quoted text> <quoted text> Not if you are a Republican.

Well, I guess it would better for me to classify myself as a moderate.

TonyT1961 wrote:

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Yes I do - and I'm not saying I agree with this either. One can have ideological affiliations without agreeing with every aspect of what that party does. I was against the Patriot Act from it's inception - once anyone allows their rights to be sacrificed, even under the guise of fear, which is what the Bush/Cheney regime pushed, it is almost impossible to regain those rights again.
Decisions made under the guise of fear have underlying implications those pushing for drastic changes such as these put forth. But no one in the company had worked in believed this.
Every one of them feel like a bunch of schmucks now.

The Patriot Act has prevented many attacks. If it was as bad as you say, as much as you worship nobama, he would've got rid of it right away AS he said in his campaign. One of his many flip flops.

In California, two terrorists had trained in a Pakistani terrorist camp. The other terrorist was supplying money to his overseas brother (who had a $5 million warrant on his head.)

There were some guys in New Jersey, who were taping an army base with the intent of attacking it.

Jose Padilla, May 2002

Lackawanna Six, September 2002

Arabian Gulf Shipping Plot 2002

Strait of Hormuz plot 2002

The West Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2002

The East Coast Airliner Plot: In mid-2003

Iyman Faris, May 2003

Virginia "Jihad" Network, June 2003

Karachi Plot: 2003

Heathrow Airport Plot 2003

Jordan Chemical Attack Plot 2004

Dhiren Barot, August 2004

U.K. Urban Targets Plot: In mid-2004

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj, August 2004

Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain, August 2004

Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, June 2005

Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James, August 2005

Michael C. Reynolds, December 5, 2005

Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, Zand Wassim Mazloum, February 2006

Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, April 2006

Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine, June 2006

Assem Hammoud, July 2006

Liquid Explosives Plot, August 2006

Fort Dix Plot, May 2007

JFK Plot, June 2007

Think, dammit, think!

Think about this

According to the Washington Times
Obama wants to have drones flying in US air space for Surveillance of US citizens.
He also wants a National ID or a chip in plant to receive Obama Care. Shall we say the mark of the beast
He has lost on the first Amendment on Religion

One world order
One world Religion
One world monetary system

Wake up people!!

America is Not the Same wrote:

Think about this
According to the Washington Times
Obama wants to have drones flying in US air space for Surveillance of US citizens.
He also wants a National ID or a chip in plant to receive Obama Care. Shall we say the mark of the beast
He has lost on the first Amendment on Religion
One world order
One world Religion
One world monetary system
Wake up people!!

All lies. But lies is all the Right has.

swampmudd wrote:

<quoted text>All lies. But lies is all the Right has.

Sure they do!

It wasn't the right that came up with Bush caused Katrina with global warming, sprayed us with chemtrails, had a 90,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, McCain started the Forrestal Fire......

You wrote the book on it.

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

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Sure they do!
It wasn't the right that came up with Bush caused Katrina with global warming, sprayed us with chemtrails, had a 90,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, McCain started the Forrestal Fire......
You wrote the book on it.

90,000 acre ranch in Paraguay.

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

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Sure they do!
It wasn't the right that came up with Bush caused Katrina with global warming, sprayed us with chemtrails, had a 90,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, McCain started the Forrestal Fire......
You wrote the book on it.

Liar. Nobody said Bush caused Katrina with global warming. They said he did nothing to help after the storm struck and the levees broke. Chemtrails? Liar. That is your big government conspiracy nuts from the Right. That one goes back to the John Birchers along with fluoride being a communist conspiracy. You remember the John Birchers don’t you. The Right wing propaganda group started by Daddy Koch. McCain started the Forrestal Fire? Liar. That came from Rove in 2000 along with the McCain fathered a Black baby story. 90,000 acre ranch in Paraguay? Liar. The Bush's do own large parcels of land all over the world. So what.((October 23, 2006 -- George W. Bush's Paraguay land deal. Paraguayan sources have confirmed that George W. Bush recently bought 42,000 hectares (over 100,000 acres) of land in Paraguay's northern "Chaco" region. The land sits atop huge natural gas reserves, according to sources in Asuncion..)) Bush investing in land with large amounts of gas? Is this a surprise to anyone?

does Obama have a thug club now, well, all his crew is from Chicago!!! Right!

sailorman2 wrote:

<quoted text>I haven't a clue as to where you come up with this total BS but just for the sake of argument let's say it is true. Republicans will change the constitution by amendment not like the democrats do with their activists judges and Obama appointed Czars.

At least you admit you don't like the constitution and want to change it.