Did McCain lift POW story from Russian novelist?

drjohn wrote:

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Uh, declining early repatriation as a POW offered to you because your Dad was an Admiral?
Choosing not to leave your fellow prisoners?
Hello?

drjohn wrote:

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McCain knew that line would be used, and he said so. He said morons would use it just as you have.
Great prediction.

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Jay wrote:

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OK, you got him. He is a liar, war criminal, etc. Man, you guys are all over this guy for remembering things under torture in the 40 years ago. But when the torture issue comes up under Bush, there's no way these guys could be giving correct info because the torture is taking such a toll. Wow, if your issue is to smear the POW time, I'd keep going. I hope Obama does it. Would be fun to watch.
And so I'm clear-Swindle tied to Abramoff, no interity. Obama tied to Ayers, Wright, etc. No problem. Just want to know what I'm supposed to believe.

Coolmind wrote:

the above doesn't make him a hero... dedicated to buddies, maybe but no hero.
most soldiers do as much as the above... my brother got shot rescuing the radio man, but carried the guy to safety anyway with a bullet in his chest .. it's what they do. mccain will be a bush like puppet for the GOP and big oil and big defense contractors used to getting billions in stupid contracts to fix the last junk they got billions to make

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John in Los Angeles wrote:

I still think I can trust McCain over Obama.
You want Obamas finger on that nuke missle button? No way.

Jim Trebowski wrote:

<quoted text> Lincoln. Now..what constitutes a good repub today? here:Step1Make at least $250,000 a year. Many Republicans make less than that, but this is about “good” Republicans, not just regular ones.
Step2Have an accountant.
Step3Vote Republican whether or not you know and support your candidate’s positions.
Step4Don’t believe in “Global Warming,” regardless of how much scientific evidence there is.
Step5Drive an American-made “gas guzzler.”
Step6Support a Republican president even if he starts wars he can’t finish and can’t pronounce the word “nuclear.”
Step7Support a Republican president even if he spends taxpayer money like a drunken sailor and has us mired in the largest deficit ever.
Step8Support a Republican president no matter how high the unemployment rate is.
Step9Never support a Democrat president no matter how fiscally responsible he is, not even if he was responsible for the largest surplus ever.
Step10Get all of your news from the Fox News Channel.

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Jay wrote:

Do you have where McCain said that experience is defined as military experience? I believe he counts it as one type of his experience.

Jay wrote:

And to question his willingness to win a war among other things is to question just that. Did he call him unpatriotic?

Jay wrote:

You seem to portray yourself as a lover of facts on this thread, but you are sure reading into what McCain is saying I think.

Jay wrote:

I know the patriotism thing is Barack's talking point du jour, but I don't know that McCain said it. If he did, I will stand corrected.

FilmProf wrote:

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Although I asked for an explanation, not an angry, rhetorically empty defense, that’s what you’ve provided.
Why is it that every challenge to John McCain results in his supporters always making another trip the POW well? It’s running dry. There were over 1,000 POWs, a large number of whom have never been accounted for—an issue that McCain is wholly disinterested in, and, in fact, has fought against investigating. A good sailor doesn’t abandon his shipmates.
No one is ‘smearing’ his POW time, but, by the same token, no on should allow him or his supporters to use it as Carte Blanche to acquire the presidency.
As for what you are ‘supposed to believe,’ I’d only say ‘the truth,’ which sometimes is difficult to find, and often, even more difficult to accept.

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Morning In Amerika wrote:

Never mind how the Hanoi Hilton narrative is plastered all over his commercials. They say McCain hates to talk about his POW experience.
After getting caught plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn, maybe now he really does hate to talk.

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Aging Hippy wrote:

<quoted text>Huh???? Counting it as one type makes it count, dude! McCain has repeatedly said Obama doesn't have experience. Well, the experience they have in common is being legislators. The part left to emphasize is his military past. It is not just one part, but THE ONE part of that experience he has that Obama does not have. Are you really missing the point as to why McCain references his POW days ad nauseum like Rudy did 9/11?.
<quoted text>He certainly implied it. But hey, if that is too nebulous for you, he can be direct about it or have you forgotten the recent dust-up over McCain's questioning Obama’s patriotism for canceling a troop visit?
<quoted text>I am a lover of facts. Where are yours? So far I've read your opinion, not your facts.
<quoted text>You may need to do some familiarizing yourself with the McCain campaign. I cannot do that for you. If and when you have evidence with which you think I should change my position, I'll be happy to take a look at it. I make a concerted effort to not deal in a talking point without running down the facts first for myself. At that point, it stops being a talking point. It would be good if others did likewise.

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Truth Defined wrote:

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First of all, there WAS no debate. It was a question and answer forum. And, yes, I watched it. Do I think that it's sarcasm that a WEALTHY American jokes that $5 milllion dollar is a viable income threshold when it comes to determining class? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I wasn't a joke to this man. This man TRULY feels like poverty is a joke. He really is part of the WAR ON THE MIDDLE CLASS. A McCain presidency will no doubt create a larger divide between the haves and the have nots. What's a BIGGER joke is that he feels like we should "be able to get ours" when he MARRIED into money.(Remember when he abandoned his first family.)
McCain and the Repugnantcans have started "class warfare" with their WAR AGAINST THE MIDDLE CLASS. If the middle class falls apart, their wealth has more meaning, more value. McCain and the WEALTHY can then control America and there is no middle class to stop them.
And thank you for CONFIRMING what I said. The BUST administration and McCain's 100 years of war rhetoric has COMPLETELY changed into identifying a timeline. Who's idea was the timeline in the first place? That's right. Obama's! Even the Iraqi leadership agreed with that timeline. What is the Iraqi leadership saying about the situation on the ground? They are saying, "America get yo @$$ out! We should oblige them as Senator Obama has had the foresight to state.

Truth Defined wrote:

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YOU said that he has has 31 bills passed. It's a matter of providing proof.

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FilmProf wrote:

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Why is it that every challenge to John McCain results in his supporters always making another trip the POW well? It’s running dry. There were over 1,000 POWs, a large number of whom have never been accounted for—an issue that McCain is wholly disinterested in, and, in fact, has fought against investigating. A good sailor doesn’t abandon his shipmates.
No one is ‘smearing’ his POW time, but, by the same token, no on should allow him or his supporters to use it as Carte Blanche to acquire the presidency.

FilmProf wrote:

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Although I asked for an explanation, not an angry, rhetorically empty defense, that’s what you’ve provided.
Why is it that every challenge to John McCain results in his supporters always making another trip the POW well? It’s running dry. There were over 1,000 POWs, a large number of whom have never been accounted for—an issue that McCain is wholly disinterested in, and, in fact, has fought against investigating. A good sailor doesn’t abandon his shipmates.
No one is ‘smearing’ his POW time, but, by the same token, no on should allow him or his supporters to use it as Carte Blanche to acquire the presidency.
As for what you are ‘supposed to believe,’ I’d only say ‘the truth,’ which sometimes is difficult to find, and often, even more difficult to accept.

<quoted text>Truth Defined wrote:
YOU said that he has has 31 bills passed. It's a matter of providing proof.

Jay wrote:
Prove the truth. Ha! Prove I lied. It's common knowledge. My proof is the news.

Aging Hippy wrote:

<quoted text>Huh???? Counting it as one type makes it count, dude! McCain has repeatedly said Obama doesn't have experience. Well, the experience they have in common is being legislators. The part left to emphasize is his military past. It is not just one part, but THE ONE part of that experience he has that Obama does not have. Are you really missing the point as to why McCain references his POW days ad nauseum like Rudy did 9/11?.
<quoted text>He certainly implied it. But hey, if that is too nebulous for you, he can be direct about it or have you forgotten the recent dust-up over McCain's questioning Obama’s patriotism for canceling a troop visit?
<quoted text>I am a lover of facts. Where are yours? So far I've read your opinion, not your facts.
<quoted text>You may need to do some familiarizing yourself with the McCain campaign. I cannot do that for you. If and when you have evidence with which you think I should change my position, I'll be happy to take a look at it. I make a concerted effort to not deal in a talking point without running down the facts first for myself. At that point, it stops being a talking point. It would be good if others did likewise.

Done That wrote:

<quoted text>Vote for the man best able to defend this great country

Done That wrote:

<quoted text>Good point. Both McCain and Obama have political experience. McCain served in the House and the Senate for several terms. Obama has not finished his first term in the Senate. Obama served at the state level. Acording to Hillary he voted present more than 130 times. What kind of leader won't take a position and say yes or no but votes present?