Argentina invites British diplomat to Buenos Aires

dEANSTREET wrote:
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Francesca,
you really oughta get something done about your fixation with sheep - do you fancy ewes or rams..?
Anyway, back to the ICJ..
Just imagine if in the late 1940s through to the mid 1950s argentina had accepted the the invitation/request to use the ICJ to settle this particular aspect of the dispute and won the case..
Imagine it...
The Falkland Islands problem would have collapsed like a card house...
Britain would have had absolutely no choice but to hand over the Islands...
But what happened, argentina ran, and ran as fast as its very little legs could carry it..
It gave out the (in my opinion the correct) that argentina had absolutely no confidence then in its legal case.
Somebody else in this topic also mentioned the makeup of the Court at the time was not favourable to argentina...
Well, argentina has had nearly 60 years to choose its time to say yes to ICJ, but you have never done it.
You have to ponder this, scratch your head and ask the simple question - WHY..?
The only reason that one can come up with is, that again, argentina does not have a case strong enough to present to the ICJ.
Kindest regards

MAlvinero1 wrote:

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LIAR! LIAR LIAR!!
Never was an invitation to the ICJ for MAlvinas by uk
Yhere were 6 invitation from ARGENTINA to uk for going to an arbitration court,ewhich uk DECLINED!
PELOTUDO LIAR!!

mally,

may I kindly suggest you re-read the posts..!

I am totally aware that your reading and comprehension skills are seriously lacking..

You see, I wasn't talking about the Falklands being taken to the ICJ, I was talking about South Georgia, South sandwich islands etc., and the British Antarctic territories..

Please do learn to read, write and comprehend and engage brain before opening mouth..

Kindest regards

Terry,

mally, like the rest of the malvinistas and argentina in general only pick and choose which bits of treaties, International Legislation to observe and comply with..

They are not like the rest of us...

They are above us, and look down upon us mere mortals..

Kindest regards

Deanstreet wrote:

dEANSTREET wrote:
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Francesca,
you really oughta get something done about your fixation with sheep - do you fancy ewes or rams..?
Anyway, back to the ICJ..
Just imagine if in the late 1940s through to the mid 1950s argentina had accepted the the invitation/request to use the ICJ to settle this particular aspect of the dispute and won the case..
Imagine it...
The Falkland Islands problem would have collapsed like a card house...
Britain would have had absolutely no choice but to hand over the Islands...
But what happened, argentina ran, and ran as fast as its very little legs could carry it..
It gave out the (in my opinion the correct) that argentina had absolutely no confidence then in its legal case.
Somebody else in this topic also mentioned the makeup of the Court at the time was not favourable to argentina...
Well, argentina has had nearly 60 years to choose its time to say yes to ICJ, but you have never done it.
You have to ponder this, scratch your head and ask the simple question - WHY..?
The only reason that one can come up with is, that again, argentina does not have a case strong enough to present to the ICJ.
Kindest regards
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mally,
may I kindly suggest you re-read the posts..!
I am totally aware that your reading and comprehension skills are seriously lacking..
You see, I wasn't talking about the Falklands being taken to the ICJ, I was talking about South Georgia, South sandwich islands etc., and the British Antarctic territories..
Please do learn to read, write and comprehend and engage brain before opening mouth..
Kindest regards

IDIOT We discussed.uk will not GO to the ICJ!PELOTUDO!

Deanstreet

"Terry,

mally, like the rest of the malvinistas and argentina in general only pick and choose which bits of treaties, International Legislation to observe and comply with.."

are the old selective selective memory trick.

CIJ, un lugar que ya hemos probado que UK jamas ira....

Repetir las mismas idoteces miles de veces no los salvara de la humillación y la verguenza.

Derecho a autodeterminarse?.

Que resolución de la ONU, en cualesquiera de sus organos internos dice que los isleños de Malvinas tienen ese derecho?.

No me vengan con fallos de la CIJ para otros....

No me vengan con resoluciones para otros....

Muestrenme algo que diga que los isleños son titulares de ses derecho.

Simplemente muestrenmelo!.

Hace 47 años que la ONU le da la espalda a los reclamos anti-argentinos de los isleños.

Ni una sola sanción, ni una sola simple llamada de atención hacia la Argentina a razón de los supuestos derechos de los isleños.

Jamas la ONU se ha pronunciado diciendo que la Argentina viola o intenta violar el espiritu de la Carta.

Jamas la ONU ha sido denunciada por violar tratados de o declaraciones de derechos humanos impulsados desde la ONU y de los cuales la Argentina es signataria.

Repiten una y otra vez el mismo cuento ridiculo, y olvidan que aqui "la realidad es la unica verdad".

El mundo no acusa a la Argentina, ni siquiera su propio país, UK se ha atrevido a denunciar a la Argentina por incumplir con la ONU.

El Consejo de seguridad ni una sola vez se ha reunido a debatir sanciones en contra de la Argentina por la situación de los isleños.

La realidad, la VERDAD, les explotan en la cara.

Y no tienen las bolas para ser bien hombres y admitirlas.

No tienen las bolas para admitir que su fantasia es patetica y fraudulenta.

Francisco,

I am trying work out your request.....the google translator is not making sense of it as some of the words do not translate, can you retype or make it easier for the translator please

francisco wrote:

Por cierto Came, haceme el favor de preguntarle a Terry GIL que articulos de la Carta de Naciones Unidas ha vilado la Argentina. Y preguntale también por qué la ONU hace 47 años que nos permite violarla y no nos dice nada.
Sentido común....
Algo que la mayoria de los britanicos desconoce de que se trata.

Francisco,

Its only because I have Luis cornered on the Nootka Treaty and he's done a runner.....Ricardo has left him to his fate.

From time to time we get Brit posters who havent done their homework or the ones who want to troll...I have sometimes commented. Actually the Brits whose attitudes are not particularly helpful.....are not exactly hardcore fanatics in danger of becoming unhinged.

On the other hand Argentina has politicians who are using these issues for their own ends....and it will harm people.

You have to agree the Luis Vernet character is showing signs that would cause concern for a psycologist. Also Tomas.....I notice no-one actually takes him seriously and he posts responses to himself

Malvin, a close resemblence to the Black Knight of Monty Python fame, loses arguements like limbs and carrys on......continuously repeats his favourite insults.

francisco wrote:

Vamos Came....
No te parece que exageras demasiado?.
De tu lado hay cada personaje psicotico, cada impresntable, que no podes acusarnos tan seriamente de algo sin pasar por alto lo que ellos son.
Propaganda?.
Sabes que yo no soy de esos que se comen cuentos gubernamentales tan facilmente, y no soy el único.
Sos un tipo inteligente Came, uno de los pocos gringos realmente pensantes quye hay aca. Deja de caer en los pateticos lugares comunes en tus argumentos. Esos lugares que son tan propios de la mayoria de tus compatriotas aqui.
Espero movimientos mejor pensados de tu parte....

camelunghi wrote:

Francisco,
I am trying work out your request.....the google translator is not making sense of it as some of the words do not translate, can you retype or make it easier for the translator please
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Hare lo que pueda Came....

Dame unos minutos por favor....

Gracias....

camelunghi wrote:

Francisco,
Its only because I have Luis cornered on the Nootka Treaty and he's done a runner.....Ricardo has left him to his fate.
From time to time we get Brit posters who havent done their homework or the ones who want to troll...I have sometimes commented. Actually the Brits whose attitudes are not particularly helpful.....are not exactly hardcore fanatics in danger of becoming unhinged.
On the other hand Argentina has politicians who are using these issues for their own ends....and it will harm people.
You have to agree the Luis Vernet character is showing signs that would cause concern for a psycologist. Also Tomas.....I notice no-one actually takes him seriously and he posts responses to himself
Malvin, a close resemblence to the Black Knight of Monty Python fame, loses arguements like limbs and carrys on......continuously repeats his favourite insults.
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I understand clearly what you say.

I agree with you that this forum could provide us a pleasant and enriching experience to people of both countries if all do an effort to behave.

But you must understand that also the comments of some of your countrymen are so provocative that ultimately is difficult to contain the fury against them or you.Believe me, I'm not a malicious type. But after two years of suffering insults and constantly see a very dirty campaign to discredit my country make me really tolerant very little at this stage of the game.

Malvinense/Malvinero is not bad person, I see in the a type that is tired of the same thing that I tired to my. Perhaps in your particular case, the already have their patience unrecoverable. It is a shame!. But I understand....

Malvi had brilliant post, very useful for a serious dabate. But with their encouragement as callousness, these brilliant post go unnoticed and are lost here. I remember - to give you an example - that was where we showed everyone that UK can not go to the ICJ. It was not one minor detail which the US provided. We have spent two years here, being harassed unfairly by tipejos as Deanstreet who insurance wise of the legal limitation of UK. Bad faith and lack the truth here have not limits!.

I believe Came here is unfortunately impossible to maintain a dialogue useful having so many people trying to twist things and acting bad faith at all times.

I apologize if the translation is not good. I can do nothing to improve. That is why I prefer the Spanish.

Best regards.

camelunghi wrote:

Francisco,
I am trying work out your request.....the google translator is not making sense of it as some of the words do not translate, can you retype or make it easier for the translator please
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ICJ, a place that we have already tested UK never anger....

Repeat the same crap thousands of times does not save them from humiliation and shame

Right to self-determine?.

Does say resolution of the UN, in any of its internal organs that Falkland Islanders have this right?.

I do not come with the ICJ judgements for others....

I do not come with resolutions for others....

Show something that says that the Islanders are ses right holders.

Simply show!.

47 Years ago the UN gives back to the anti-argentinos claims of Islanders.

A single penalty, nor a single simple call to Argentina at the supposed rights of the Islanders.

The UN never has spoken out saying that the Argentina violates or attempts to violate the spirit of the Charter.

The UN never has been denounced for violating treaties or declarations of human rights driven from the UN and of which the Argentina is a signatory.

Repeated again and again the same story ridiculous, and they forget that here "the reality is the only truth".

The world not accuses Argentina, even his own country, UK has dared to denounce the Argentina for breaking with the UN.

The Security Council not once met to discuss sanctions against the Argentina about the situation of the Islanders.

The reality, the truth, explode them in the face.

And they don't have the balls to be men and admit them.

They Do not have the balls to admit that his fantasy is pathetic and fraudulent.

francisco wrote:

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I understand clearly what you say.
I agree with you that this forum could provide us a pleasant and enriching experience to people of both countries if all do an effort to behave.
But you must understand that also the comments of some of your countrymen are so provocative that ultimately is difficult to contain the fury against them or you.Believe me, I'm not a malicious type. But after two years of suffering insults and constantly see a very dirty campaign to discredit my country make me really tolerant very little at this stage of the game.
Malvinense/Malvinero is not bad person, I see in the a type that is tired of the same thing that I tired to my. Perhaps in your particular case, the already have their patience unrecoverable. It is a shame!. But I understand....
Malvi had brilliant post, very useful for a serious dabate. But with their encouragement as callousness, these brilliant post go unnoticed and are lost here. I remember - to give you an example - that was where we showed everyone that UK can not go to the ICJ. It was not one minor detail which the US provided. We have spent two years here, being harassed unfairly by tipejos as Deanstreet who insurance wise of the legal limitation of UK. Bad faith and lack the truth here have not limits!.
I believe Came here is unfortunately impossible to maintain a dialogue useful having so many people trying to twist things and acting bad faith at all times.
I apologize if the translation is not good. I can do nothing to improve. That is why I prefer the Spanish.
Best regards.

Ok,

I am just simply a persistent bugger...

For example, I have lost count of the times after you have stated that we Falkland Islanders do not have the right to Self Determination, I have asked you to provide evidence or proof of this statement.

All you can do is whinge about territorial integrity..

You cannot provide any United Nations Resolution or legal Ruling by the United Nations International Court of Justice that states plainly and mentions the fact that whilst everybody else can have this - we cannot..

If by continually asking for you to provide the proof of this simple question is being a troll or whatever, then I hold my hands up to this..

Remember, what you have provided in response in the past has always been an opinion with no legal backing by any international court of law..

Until you provide hard evidence/proof, I'll continue to be a troll or whatever you like to call me (such as testicle licker, sheep, and a few other choice phrases and names...}

Kindest regards

Deanstreet wrote:

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Ok,
I am just simply a persistent bugger...
For example, I have lost count of the times after you have stated that we Falkland Islanders do not have the right to Self Determination, I have asked you to provide evidence or proof of this statement.
All you can do is whinge about territorial integrity..
You cannot provide any United Nations Resolution or legal Ruling by the United Nations International Court of Justice that states plainly and mentions the fact that whilst everybody else can have this - we cannot..
If by continually asking for you to provide the proof of this simple question is being a troll or whatever, then I hold my hands up to this..
Remember, what you have provided in response in the past has always been an opinion with no legal backing by any international court of law..
Until you provide hard evidence/proof, I'll continue to be a troll or whatever you like to call me (such as testicle licker, sheep, and a few other choice phrases and names...}
Kindest regards

OK....

Y vos oveja?. Proporcionaste alguna vez la prueba de que realmente te autodeterminas?.

Porque nadie aqui vio jamas un fallo de la CIJ que te mencione especicamente como titular de ese derecho. Ni nadie vio jamas una resolusión de la ONu en tal sentido. En todo caso, lo unico que hemos visto son 10 resoluciones de la Asamblea General que pasan por arriba tuyo en cuanto a tu capacidad de decidir algo. Más 29 resoluciones del C-24 con el mismo efecto.

Para la ONU podes opinar pero no decidir.

Yo no hice las reglas....

Quejate con la ONU en vez de lloriquearme a mi para que te tenga en cuenta....

Y la buena jueza Higgins - tu jueza- dijo claramente que el principio de integridad territorial esta primero.

Miento?.

Probalo....

Deanstreet wrote:

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Ok,
I am just simply a persistent bugger...
For example, I have lost count of the times after you have stated that we Falkland Islanders do not have the right to Self Determination, I have asked you to provide evidence or proof of this statement.
All you can do is whinge about territorial integrity..
You cannot provide any United Nations Resolution or legal Ruling by the United Nations International Court of Justice that states plainly and mentions the fact that whilst everybody else can have this - we cannot..
If by continually asking for you to provide the proof of this simple question is being a troll or whatever, then I hold my hands up to this..
Remember, what you have provided in response in the past has always been an opinion with no legal backing by any international court of law..
Until you provide hard evidence/proof, I'll continue to be a troll or whatever you like to call me (such as testicle licker, sheep, and a few other choice phrases and names...}
Kindest regards

Tomorrow is the BIG opportunity for you and the other squatters MAlvinenses,to prove at the C24,since you are sending "young pirates,to meet our president Mrs Kirchner.
Go ahead and make your point.
Now if you loses DO NOT CRY!
PELOTUDO!
AAHAHAH Another laugh at the squatters MAlvinensis...
I will provide free tissues for whipping the tears,remember 2011,C-24?
"imploring the committee,NOT TO ADOPT the RESOLUTION as DRAFTED"
AHAHAHAAH
Poor deluded scum PIRATES!
NO HONOR!
FULL LIARS!
I have no pity for such SCUMS!

deanstreet lo unico bueno que hiciste en este foro fue darme el link de la página donde puedo observar en vivo a las calles de PUERTO ARGENTINO....GRACIAS DEAN....

MAlvinero1 posted

"IDIOT We discussed.uk will not GO to the ICJ!PELOTUDO!"

Doesn't have to sweetheart your the one's making the claim.
legal maxim "He who asserts must prove"
The right and proper way to conduct yourself.

MAlvinero1 posted

"IDIOT We discussed.uk will not GO to the ICJ!PELOTUDO!"

Again C24 Declarations are legally meaningless as they are simply a political group that is not invested with any legal authority.
It is beyond their powers to do anything (ultra vires) other than hablar, hablar.

camelunghi wrote:

Luis Vernet,
If thats your real name.....then you really shouldnt publish it if you really take seriously what you write about those dastardly Brit Pirate murderers......surely if they are coming to get you...you would want to be anonymous or call your self Batman or something. Glad you got to see the caped crusada....As I remember that was in the 60s....and I remember it too.
But if you think you really are the real "Luis Vernet" who was apprehended by the Americans for Piracy. Then I am sure Sally would like to help you get some treatment and counselling not just help her with her studies.
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Tá bueno,ché. Que jodón que resultaste.
Es mi verdadero nombre. Mi nombre completo es Luís Vernet Gallo.
Mi padre me nombró así porque nací un 3 de Enero de 1961.
A él siempre le apasionó y apasiona la causa "Islas Malvinas" y por carácter transitorio esa pasión la he adquirido yó.
Vos estás equivocado ó ofendés por la ofenza misma.
Don Luís María Vernet, fué un hombre de hagayas. A la corta edad de 19 años se largo a la aventura desde Hamburgo hasta la recientemente independizada, hoy República Argentina. Fué un empresario pujante. Llegó a desarrollar un proceso químico que favoreció la preservación de los cueros en sus largas travesías de exportación. Desarrolló toda una población en donde nó la había y con los escazos medios con que el nobel gobierno lo había enviado. Consta en los escritos de C.Darwin en su viaje en la Lexinton la clase de caballero que era y lo bién recibido que fué por él y su familia en nuestras Islas Malvinas.
Jamás ni los norteamericanos que azolaban nuestras Islas Malvinas ni los Piratas(Británicos)que lo visitaron en su casa, se han referido a él por el despresiativo calificativo de Pirata.
Por otro lado, yá en aquellos años estaba bién en claro que Pirata era un calificativo despresiativo privativo de esa casta, ruín y asesina, conocida oficialmente como Británicos.
¿Que no publique mi verdadero nombre por si vienen los Piratas(Británicos)a buscarme por lo que escribo?
Nó, eso sería imposible.
No se escondieron mis compatriotas en la defenza de nuestras Islas Malvinas, mirá si lo voy a hacer yó.
He visto la serie televisiva de Batman en la década del 60, como todos los pibes de aquella generación. Después vinieron las películas modernas y no me gustaron tanto como la serie.
Mucho menos me gustó las últimas que se estrenaron, aunque para los fanáticos es lo que más refleja al Batman de las historietas.
Nó dejala a la pobre Sally.
Ya bastante tiene con tener que convivir en Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña).¿No te parece?
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.

Terry Hill wrote:

Come on people I must be missing something here...

Nó, estás equivocado.
Nuestras medidas van dirigidas a encarecerles el mantenimiento de la usurpación a los Piratas(Británicos).
Con los habitantes de nuestras Islas Malvinas no tenemos nada que ver. Nosotros no los pusimos en esta disyuntiva, eso lo hizo Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña)al depositarlos en un territorio que nó le pertenece.
Ese cargo, que estás haciendo, hacéselo a quien corresponde.
Son los Piratas(Británicos)los que los están perjudicando.
Cosa muy rara teniendo en cuenta de que les han dado el estatuto de ciudadanos de pleno derecho. Pero mirá vos que ni siquiera pueden garantizarle bienestar a la población en la propia Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña)mucho menos se la van a garantizar a sus colonos. Hasta el 2 de Abril de 1982, el único que les garantizaba bienestar a los habitantes ilegales de nuestras Islas Malvinas no fué otro que el Pueblo Argentino.
Y así nos lo agradecieron, diciendo ahora que deséan ser ciudadanos Piratas(Británicos). Pués que así sea. Para muestra basta un botón, vean nomás como la están pasando sus conciudadanos allá. Miren si se van a interesar por lo que les pase a uds.
Este novedoso interés por parte de Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña)hacia sus, a partir del 2 de Abril de 1982, conciudadanos se mantendrá hasta que puedan robarnos algo del petróleo que dicen que hay en la zona. Después que Dios los ayude...
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.

francisco wrote:

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OK....
Y vos oveja?. Proporcionaste alguna vez la prueba de que realmente te autodeterminas?.
Porque nadie aqui vio jamas un fallo de la CIJ que te mencione especicamente como titular de ese derecho. Ni nadie vio jamas una resolusión de la ONu en tal sentido. En todo caso, lo unico que hemos visto son 10 resoluciones de la Asamblea General que pasan por arriba tuyo en cuanto a tu capacidad de decidir algo. Más 29 resoluciones del C-24 con el mismo efecto.
Para la ONU podes opinar pero no decidir.
Yo no hice las reglas....
Quejate con la ONU en vez de lloriquearme a mi para que te tenga en cuenta....
Y la buena jueza Higgins - tu jueza- dijo claramente que el principio de integridad territorial esta primero.
Miento?.
Probalo....

Again nothing legal, nor anything that specifically mentions the Falkland Islands.

All speculative on your part..

francesca, because of this I sleep soundly every night..

And you know what, it isn't going to change - no need for me to even think of sleeping potions...

LOL...

Kindest regards

francisco wrote:
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"More than 29 resolutions of the C-24 with the same effect."
Want to make it a million? Quick now what's the answer. You got it a big fat nada.