Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

Samoan Irish wrote:

<quoted text>ha ha ha!
not really in Samoa the moral standards are on par with Christ...
seriously the Tv and music stations every hour play out the christan values America once preached...
Tell me in America how many stangers smile at you while walking down the street...
That how amoral Americans are too much porn not enough time with familia.
Gayness is the due of lack of enjoying the pleasures of the sexual use to the over use of it

there are no such things as 'moral standards'. the bible isn't a moral guide, and it would be impossible for it to be one. each person on earth has their own, unique moral compass.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>When I say same sex marriage will harm gays, it may seem to surprise some homosexuals, that's not what the Left wants you to hear.

I'm not surprised you say that, because you are an irrational homophobic babbling idiot. Now, if you were to logically explain how gay marriage would harm gay people, THAT would surprise me!

Brian_G wrote:

We have two groups, one pushing the political agenda for the government to recognize the same sex kind of marriage or the coalition that wants marriage kept between husband and wife. This is where we differ. We have compassion for the individual but standards and laws to uphold civilization.

And if you were to explain how gay marriage would undermine civilization, but civil unions wouldn't, THAT would also surprise me.

dances with weebles wrote:

<quoted text>
there are no such things as 'moral standards'. the bible isn't a moral guide, and it would be impossible for it to be one. each person on earth has their own, unique moral compass.

On the contrary: the Bible exhibits fine morals, including:

Males raping their own father
Incest
Adultery
Fratricide
Slavery
Polygamy
Prostitution
Genocide

All of these are acceptable morals in the Bible. I'll none of it.

Samoan Irish wrote:

<quoted text>ha ha ha!
not really in Samoa the moral standards are on par with Christ...
seriously the Tv and music stations every hour play out the christan values America once preached...
Tell me in America how many stangers smile at you while walking down the street...

Depends on how low my neckline is.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Take the examples of Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde, homosexuals have married under the same standards as everyone. Maybe not to the one they love to their child's mom or dad.
How can you say it's fair to deny a child a mother or father based on new definitions of marriage driven by sexual predilection?

There you go with that dysfunctional idea of family life in an isolative bubble!

Since all mammals have progenitors ("mother" and "father") it can't be the mere biological factor that matters to you ... unless you have some personal issues around that.

What matters, then, is PARENTING.

Just look around. There are men and women EVERYWHERE that can serve as model options for any child. There are also the endless modelling of human behavior and relationships in books, plays and films. There is no dearth of possibilities for emotional and relationship modelling.

I am beginning to think that YOU have issues that you still need to work out. Forcing others to comply with such needs goes beyond merely neurotic. It verges on psychotic. Considering your pretty evident difficulty discerning between some mental ideal and the real, a borderline delusional structure is suggested.

Check yourself.

Samoan Irish wrote:

Fruck off......thanks:-)

what about the fact that 3 people were denied service in flatssville ?

Storm Warning wrote:

what about the fact that 3 people were denied service in flatssville ?

???

Samoan Irish wrote:

<quoted text>Jesus did say the next time God destory the earth it will be with fire!
lol!
let them laugh when I see how sick world is going the rate of child abuse and homosexual is risen 50% every 5 years look at stats
and abortion is going from 50 million a year to nearly 60 million
smh!
we humans are not only GODLESS but immoral!

Actually, Yeshua said no such thing.

Just because incidents are being made public for the first time in history, don't think that such never went on before with roughly the same frequency.

Abortion may be up, but married people don't usually have abortions, do they.

This is not a thread about either abortion or child abuse, but marriage.

Oh. A word to the wise. You might want to review the story about the Pharisee and the Publican in the temple. Hm?

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Take the examples of Meredith Baxter and Oscar Wilde, homosexuals have married under the same standards as everyone. Maybe not to the one they love to their child's mom or dad.

But they are not the same standards. You allow heterosexuals to marry the one that they love but deny to homosexuals the right to marry the one they love.

If you hold out that a gay man marrying a straight woman (lesbian marrying straight man) is a standard to be encouraged, then you would encourage your daughter/sister/niece to enter into a loveless marriage with a gay man.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>How can you say it's fair to deny a child a mother or father based on new definitions of marriage driven by sexual predilection?

But since most states allow gays and lesbians to adopt outside of marriage refutes your claim. In fact, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found that the state couldn't deny same-sex marriages because the state did in fact already allow same-sex couples the right to adopt and by not allowing those adopted kids to have married parents disadvantaged the kids.

And as someone else already pointed out, if the mother and father is so sacrosanct, this would be an argument against divorce or at least an argument that joint custody must be upheld in all divorces, something that is NOT done in all cases giving custody to only one parent.

And was also pointed out, since you claim to support civil unions, this again doesn't support your claim against marriage equality because of the children. Wouldn't those children also be found within that 'unionized' couple that you seek to deny marriage?

Samoan Irish wrote:

<quoted text> nope
aids is growing abortion is growing and even celebrities are turning gay
John trovalta turn gay 65...so what is it really?
some gays haven't even told us how many male horses they made love to so...just horny bastards

You are whacky. A little too much kava?

nhjeff wrote:

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I'm surprised I missed that. Have you got a link?
But I've known people who came out at 80. So there is nothing surprising here.

John is only 59. Samoan is crazy.

Before the 21st Century, marriage has always been husband and wife. There is no pre21st Century law that permits same sex marriage.

Marriage equality harms everyone; especially homosexuals.

DaveinMass wrote:

...And as someone else already pointed out, if the mother and father is so sacrosanct, this would be an argument against divorce or at least an argument that joint custody must be upheld in all divorces, something that is NOT done in all cases giving custody to only one parent...

Custody is less a problem with same sex couples since they can't reproduce without opposite sex help. This is another great reason to keep marriage between husband and wife, how it harms gays.

Same sex marriage brings more divorce to homosexuals. You could be single, have a tryst in a restroom and get a summons because you're being sued for alienation of affection.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Same sex marriage brings more divorce to homosexuals. You could be single, have a tryst in a restroom and get a summons because you're being sued for alienation of affection.

Sorry, Brian. That probably won't work for you. Better find yourself a sugar daddy and try to make that tryst last as long as you can.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Custody is less a problem with same sex couples since they can't reproduce without opposite sex help.

And there are opposite-sex couples that cannot reproduce without outside help. Yet they can marry, thereby nullifying your argument.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>This is another great reason to keep marriage between husband and wife, how it harms gays.

You've yet to say how allowing same-sex marriage harms gays.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Same sex marriage brings more divorce to homosexuals.

Well, since they could not marry before now, obviously they could not divorce. But to stay with this theme, then what is the divorce rate for opposite-couples in Maryland? The divorce rate for same-sex couples is 0%.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>You could be single, have a tryst in a restroom and get a summons because you're being sued for alienation of affection.

As could you. So how is that relevant?

Brian_G wrote:

Marriage equality harms everyone; especially homosexuals.

How? Specifically, what harm occurs to homosexuals if they are allowed to marry?

This is still the nuttiest argument against same-sex marriage equality.

Brian_G wrote:

Before the 21st Century, marriage has always been husband and wife. There is no pre21st Century law that permits same sex marriage.
Marriage equality harms everyone; especially homosexuals.

Stupid people harm everyone, Brian. Shut up.

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>Custody is less a problem with same sex couples since they can't reproduce without opposite sex help. This is another great reason to keep marriage between husband and wife, how it harms gays.
Same sex marriage brings more divorce to homosexuals. You could be single, have a tryst in a restroom and get a summons because you're being sued for alienation of affection.

Since 1935, this tort has been abolished in 42 states. Alienation is, however, still recognized in Hawaii, Illinois, North Carolina, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Dakota, and Utah.

DaveinMass wrote:

How? Specifically, what harm occurs to homosexuals if they are allowed to marry? This is still the nuttiest argument against same-sex marriage equality.

I disagree.

Same sex marriage harms homosexuals because it brings more divorce to homosexual families.