Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media

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BRONACH wrote:

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Some are very good at their jobs, but when you're dealing with hundred of employees, and tens of thousands of client hours,you get a lot of misfits also.
If a client will only pay $18 an hour for security, the guard will be lucky to make $10 an hour.
The employer has a huge overhead including bond insurance,workers comp, unemployment. Not to mention sales people and office staff/managers,supervisors,ope rations manager,account managers.
Clients also sue security companies on a regular basis for damage done to property.
Tony bigmouth doesn't have a clue as to what is involved in the operation of a security company.

higgans wrote:

<quoted text>now THAT POV is pure racism, or race-based, if u prefer.
in 99% factually inaccurate in order to support it, to boot.
believing in and espousing non-truths is the primary underpinning for being a racist, like Klan members repeating that blacks, etc are less than humans than whites.
the police do their job to the best of their ability AND BASED ON THE INFO THEY HAVE, and the racist element cries injustice and to support THEIR claim they startsaying what this poster wrote. are the facts changed? NO.
the State has had AMPLE opportunity to present one piece of evidence, ONE, to bolster the accusation but haven't. why?
the question then becomes, why has the authorities chosen to proceed with this FALSE prosecution? the obvious reason is to forestall civil unrest.
the underlying question has to be, how does one deal with an element of society that will not go along with the workings of an orderly society and continually demands SPECIAL considerations?
special considerations in THIS case such as:
let's use GZ's past AGAINST him BUT not TM's;
let's ASSUME the WORST intentions for GZ's behaviour BUT not TM's;
let's make a BIG deal out of the lack of physical evidence of a fight on TM's body and totally minimize the PROVEN wounds of GZ;
let's focus on the events LEADING up to the meeting between the two participants BUT ignore the events that occurred just SECONDS prior to the shooting, and;
let's accuse GZ parents, especially his magistrate father, of enabling him by supposedly getting him out of legal trouble (TOTALLY made up, of course) and give a pass to TM's parents, especially the father's, behaviour!
racism, FOR WHATEVER REASON, is always rooted in DENIAL and UNTRUTHS, just like in this case.

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TonyT1961 wrote:

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Wish you were here dickhead - playing bad ass on the computer now?
Fcuking moron!
Security companies make record profits, are a huge growing industry;
http://www.roberthperry.com/uploads/White%20P...
You think you know something - think again azzhole - you know jack sh!t!
I hate fcuking cowards and trolls like you.

higgans wrote:

<quoted text>riiight... everything BUT the colour of HIS skin and the circumstances of his birth and upbringing and an unfair justice system like some one else involved in this case.

TonyT1961 wrote:

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The problem remains that private security pays little. This does not invite ex cops, CIA, or any of the others you've listed. The average pay for a guard hired by Civil Service is under $30,000.00 to start - max is $45,000.00 / private security offers an average of $23,000.00 yearly, with no benefits, and the only security agency that wins the bid is the one with the lowest bid - hence, lower pay scale - hence, less educated, and many times, less stringent enforcement of states laws regarding standards of guards. This in turn invites higher turnover, so I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding this.

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omfg wrote:

<quoted text> Who should be ashamed if an industry makes a profit. Thank GOD someone is making a profit these days.

omfg wrote:

<quoted text>I see it a little differently because if 91% of the blacks think Zimmerman is guilty and only 35% white think Zimmerman is guilty....there is a suggestion of racism. Like the OJ trial, most blacks thought OJ wasn't guilty and it became more and more clear it was because he was a black football hero and nothing more than that. We also know blacks voted for obama simply because he was black, some didn't even know anything about the issues. We can see the racism in the media from blacks and yet whites do not get the same kind of latitude.

I wouldn't suspect racism if whites and blacks had similar numbers but they don't. There is a huge divide although according to this poll, there are more whites who appeared to look past race. If both races were equally racist then I would expect about 9% of whites polled should think Zimmerman was guilty.

I agree picking a jury will be challenging but a black jury would more likely accuse him even if the evidence wouldn't support it.

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<quoted text> I'm not disagreeing with you regarding pay and turnover but it really depends on the kinds of security we're talking about and the location. Of all the neighborhoods I'm familiar with, there was wasn't a great deal of turnover. These guys really loved their jobs. Some were moonlighting. They received tips and gifts from homeowners who appreciated their dedication and worth ethic. I also think security will become more and more of a valued commodity in neighborhoods and the market will dictate salaries. I also suspect there will be some changes in security agencies and at least how neighborhoods will staff their guards. Security consulting will be a growing field. Just my two cents. Don't want to argue with you about it. I've just seen very successful neighborhood security programs in several states. I'd like to see the industry grow and I suspect it will. Just call me Faith Popcorn.

higgans wrote:

<quoted text>u know, I don't have a criminal record either, based on MY youthful indiscretions committed prior to turning 18 (and there were one or two involving the police, etc...). nor did they prevent me from getting a Top Secret security cleanace while in the Army in my 20's.
of course, TM's 'record' was spared by the school authorities, etc... THAT'S what 'caring' people DO. it's called ENABLING, like paying folks for having babies THEY can't emotionally or financially afford or lending or giving other folks money for college that they are either ill-prepared or under-qualified to attend.
that's what passes for PROGRESS nowadays. enabling and promoting fantasies is more accurate. like letting TM's parents continue to believe in a 'justice' fairy or the State giving into domestic terrorists after years of 'fighting' foreign terrorists!

higgans wrote:

<quoted text>what's the hurry? his client is OUT and safe.
change THAT status and see what happens...
it also would appear that general public safety issues are also UPPER most in this RESPONSIBLE citizen's mind.
BTW, which of u two is claiming the title of Grand Dragon? or, in ur kollective is that a shared honor...

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TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>You can ontinue trying to spin this any way you feel exonerates this idiot for creating his own fate.

Your eyewitness is still one person named only "John" - we've yet to actually see who this is, or if he will testify.

I did not put any racist spin on my remarks - you have, and quite obviously also.

Guaranteed a minimum manslaughter conviction at the very least.

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Anonymous of Indy wrote:

<quoted text>I really dont care, because majority of time they have no legitimate facts to back there arguments and their Vicious Attacks are only out of desperation.

Christo1 wrote:

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In case you are unfamiliar with him, spewing race and hate is among his (or it) strong suit. No one does it better than him.
He'll be quick to accuse you of racism, as you've found out.
That "John" character didn't see the altercation from beginning to end, so his testimony is of limited use.
What we have left is the word of Captain Zimmerman (the alleged Murderer). It wasn't good for veteran homicide Detective Chris Serino and it's not good enough for me either. Too many holes, like Swiss cheese.

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You don't know what the hell happened. You can only take Captain Zimmerman's (the alleged Murderer) word for what happened.
No one saw the incident from beginning to end. So, what the Captain says MUST be the truth because he doesn't have a reason to lie. HA!
Even Sanford Police Department veteran homicide Detective Chris Serino didn't believe that mess the Captain was trying to sell. Is he a "pushover" too?
No one's ever accused this military veteran of being a "pushover" for protecting my rights or yours all over the world. But, if you say so...

Christo1 wrote:

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How did I know you were going to say that?
You are a man and a scholar.
You do know, however, that I have to say that I do no agree with everything you say? But you're cool.
If everyone could comport themselves as you, this would be a great forum. But we know that's not gonna happen.
Hang in there. Talk later.

omfg wrote:

<quoted text> He had every right to walk in his own neighborhood. He had every right to defend himself from an attack.

TonyT1961 wrote:

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You can ontinue trying to spin this any way you feel exonerates this idiot for creating his own fate.
Your eyewitness is still one person named only "John" - we've yet to actually see who this is, or if he will testify.
I did not put any racist spin on my remarks - you have, and quite obviously also.
Guaranteed a minimum manslaughter conviction at the very least.