What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

John from NJ wrote:

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The reason I say that is if I or a Roman Catholic say something we have to try to figure out what the particular belief is of that person in order to try to answer them. Some such as the Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans have pretty much the same beliefs within their confession and many beliefs that are common among them. When you deal with the "go it alone" folks, such as you and others, one has to figure out what your mind has determined to be true and how you have not properly understood the Bible when answering. That is because you don't agree with each other.
Collectively you, CR, Hinn are all the same in many ways. You all have your very own personal "Holy Spirit" telling you what you want to hear.
What I say to you to address your personal revelation is to you based on your personal revelation. Someone else has their own personal revelation. So now we have me trying to address two different Holy Spirit inspired revelations on the same subject. It gets a bit confusing so I would rather just deal with one person at a time.

Well,I'm sorry John,your wrong about me in a lot of way's.
As for what I posted about being born again,that is God's Word.
I never said that you stated that you prayed for the dead to be saved.
I was making a point that it just don't work that way.
As for Hinn?
He claims that the seed is money.

Salvation is a gift from God.

The Gospel is free.

A person can just live in a way that can plant a seed of faith in a sinner.

We do not have to pay for Salvation or healing from God.
I am absolutely not anything like Hinn.

Now I am not going to argue over God's Word and how you and I differ in our beliefs.
I just wanted to say what I believed about praying for the dead.
Only a person and God know's if they are saved.
God is the judge,not anyone else.

Diane wrote:

<quoted text>Once again, John 3:3, Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, unless a man be born again, he will not see the knigdom of heaven." Pretty straight forward.

Diane, and you forgot to mention be born again by water and spirit-Baptism.

com7fy8 wrote:

<quoted text>I basically read just the Bible, have had no Bible school or ordination, and I do not read anything else, basically ... except to do a little research on words or what others believe. And read God and observe people and see what God actually does with me.
<quoted text>"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful."
We are commanded to obey how God rules us in our hearts with His very own peace. I need to be sensitive to Him and submit to however at each moment God personally rules me in my heart.
He alone can know what at each moment He desires to do with me. I just submit ... as well as He blesses me to. Paul says we "were called to this in one body" > so, all obedient people are doing this, now, or we are not obeying Him.

Com7fy8...If I recall, you are up there in age, as I am. I don't expect you will do anything any different than what you've been doing because of anything I post.
If you read the bible, what version do you think is the correct one? Where we begin to take seperate roads in our beliefs is where Jesus calls Peter The Rock and gives him the keys to His kingdom. The Acts of the Apostles continues what Peter and the Apostles did. Jesus said, before ascending into heaven, that He would send the Paraclete to guide them.
Reading the bible is a good thing. Obviously, interpreting it is where the disagreements, anger, finger pointing , accusations occur.
I rely on what Christ said. The Paraclete will guide the church. There have been numerous crimes committed and the evil one constantly attacks but it's still strong and being cleaned up again.
God bless....

Kentucky Trevor wrote:

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He believes people can die and see the face of the Father and come back to tell about it, he believes water gushed out of his stomach, and God proved to him the KJV is the only one.
Yet he can't even believe that the God would allow the Virgin Mary to appear to three little shepherd children as their loving Heavenly Mother. I would trust the Virgin Mary over CR.

So I`ve read....The thing that bothers me about him, is he is a supposed man of the cloth, yet he acts nothing like one....

Religious belief separates the two.

Mary Hammond wrote:

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If you are too stupid to even know when you have desecrated something I suppose God can't dondemn you for that thatis true. After all, he apparently created you an idiot in order to test the patience of those around you.
But even moron can see that there is something you have said in your posts that causes a Catholic to say you desecrated the Holy Bible. Gee, I wonder why that is so hard for YOU to figure it out.
BTW I voted on YOU at that poll about me. LOL.

Hi, Mary Hammond, I saw where you voted. Thanks. BTW was that meant to be an apology to me? You mentioned you did apologize to me somewhere on the threads on Share the Joy after I appologized to you last night on that thread. See my post now on Share..
God bless you,
Nita

Diane wrote:

<quoted text>Certainly. Every single human being on this earth is a sinner and has a sinful nature. When we confess our sins to Jesus Christ and ask the Lord to forgive us, he does! Every person must also believe that Jesus Christ is their own PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR, and that he died on the cross for you. When a person invites Jesus Christ to live in their hearts, he will! When you truly repent of your sins, know and believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for you, believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is the Lord of your life, you will want to be baptized. Baptism is getting rid of your old sinful ways (down into the water) and coming up from the water, being a new creation in Christ. This is called re-birth or being Born-again.

Thanks Diane. You're saying that, at the point of adult baptism is when being born again occurs??
If one backslides and recommits sins and confesses to Jesus again, is that valid??

NitaM wrote:

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Hi, Mary Hammond, I saw where you voted. Thanks. BTW was that meant to be an apology to me? You mentioned you did apologize to me somewhere on the threads on Share the Joy after I appologized to you last night on that thread. See my post now on Share..
God bless you,
Nita

My apology was on the poll you posted. If you scroll up past my statement to Crappy Rabbi- you will see it.
No- the apology was NOT telling crappy about the toile t seat. LOL. Is that what you thought? That is too funny.
Bless you Nita.

DOES THIS SO-CALLED "RELIGION" HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY?

How can Obama claim to be a "uniter" when his religion is based upon racism, i.e. black liberation theology. Here are a few statements from James H. Cone, one of the founders of black liberation theology, about the nature of Obama's religion, and you tell me if they are consistent with Christianity or "unification."

(1) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

(2)“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people."

(3) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism."

(4) "All white men are responsible for white oppression."

(5) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."

(6) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it."

I recommend that you do a little research on Obama’s so-called religion, black liberation theology. First, here is a link to Obama’s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama’s religion on their site, also. It is called “Black Theology and Black Power.”

http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk

If you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don’t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Here are just a few sources which are helpful.

http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
http://poligazette.com/2008/03/17/black-liber...
http://tinyurl.com/59uwhr
http://tinyurl.com/33vxgq
http://tinyurl.com/3q49g6

Also, here is the church’s Black Value System that Obama adhered to for 20 years:

1. Commitment to God

2. Commitment to the Black Community

3. Commitment to the Black Family

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence

6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic

7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"

9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community

10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions

11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System

12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

After you have completed your research, you will find that Obama’s religion is NOT CHRISTIAN, like he professes it to be, but racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.

Olderndirt wrote:

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Thanks Diane. You're saying that, at the point of adult baptism is when being born again occurs??
If one backslides and recommits sins and confesses to Jesus again, is that valid??

Once a person has done all these things with a repentant heart, one does not have to be baptized, but Jesus Christ does command us to be baptized after we have make a commitment to him. Once a person has become born-again, their sinful nature is no longer. They will have no desire to continue what they used to do.(drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, go to wild parties, be unfaithful, etc.) We are saved by the grace of God.

This is a profound doctrine that I am considering.

The question is that if we have the inseparable consequences of the differential following advice that comes from a theological equation of the terminal deviation of the former theological systamatical terminology that comes in form of the devoted passion of the former theologians of times past that will bring forth the Pauline pattern of the old paradigm that forgoes the new paradigm that has polluted the former strategy that brought forth the new technique that offers the perspective that will bring about the new framework of the modern ministry that will reestablish the ministry of the old reformers that will produce a form of pragmatism that will create the old covenental form of congregational goverment that has overrun the old form of eldership goverment that has increased the media credentials that will procreate that gnostic veiw that has driven the old purpose that will be firm from the beginning to the end that also will be the form of ministry that will happen only if the sanctfication has been completed in the justification by the glorification and I am sure that our hearts will resonate with this in a passion that only will be involved in the goo intentions of the diplomatic expositors that will be meeting in the new world reunion that will be derived from the newest of the protestant movements that have evolved over the centuries developed by the wave of immigrants that flew with the American Airlines. The final conclusion of this profound doctrine in consideration is:
FLY American

If you are one that read this all the way through....smile. On the lighter side with RT

Thought you guys needed a laugh

NitaM wrote:

What divides Catholics and Protestants is NO music for interludes. LOL

our Apostle Paul wrote:

Ephesians 5:18-19 >

"And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation;

but be filled with the Spirit,

speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and

making melody in your heart to the Lord,"

So, in our "heart" we can always be in the beauty of melody of God's love, "not being merely stimulated by physical music, but deeply in the beauty of melody of the Holy Spirit's love."

our Apostle Peter wrote:

1 Peter 3:4 >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God."

This is very precious to God, "not just for pleasing ourselves with music."

It is very precious to God, that we are in the "incorruptible beauty of" His own love's "gentle and quiet spirit".

"So, it's not enough to say a bunch of copy-cat prayers and sing songs if we aren't in the spirit which is pleasing to Him."

And this beauty of God's love is "incorruptible" > "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18) "God's love gives us His own almighty incorruptibility against fear, including worry and how fear's insecurity has us arguing. We are incorruptible in God's love."

"So, this incorruptibility of God's love in us does not depend on music or secure circumstances or medications to keep us in His peace. He is almighty, and so is His love."

So ... obviously, I need to get right with God.

All for the Love wrote:

<quoted text>Well,I'm sorry John,your wrong about me in a lot of way's.
As for what I posted about being born again,that is God's Word.
I never said that you stated that you prayed for the dead to be saved.
I was making a point that it just don't work that way.
As for Hinn?
He claims that the seed is money.
Salvation is a gift from God.
The Gospel is free.
A person can just live in a way that can plant a seed of faith in a sinner.
We do not have to pay for Salvation or healing from God.
I am absolutely not anything like Hinn.
Now I am not going to argue over God's Word and how you and I differ in our beliefs.
I just wanted to say what I believed about praying for the dead.
Only a person and God know's if they are saved.
God is the judge,not anyone else.

Actually I am not wrong about you.

Long, long, long ago, long before there was a Protestant Reformation in the west, there were the beliefs of the Church. If you think that "being born again" was something that you came up with, guess again.

Christ will judge us. Only He knows who will be with Him in Heaven. And God will save whom God will save. So if you make it into Heaven don't be surprised to see those who you consider "not saved" as being there. God doesn't have to follow your rules, your regulations nor even your beliefs.

If you want to take what I said which was to pray for the departed to God for Him to have mercy on their souls into more than what I said, as saying anything else you are mistaken.

You say God only knows who is saved but you claim to be saved, don't you? How do you know? You don't. You may think so. You may hope so. But you don't know. So if you died today, heaven forbid, would I pray that God have mercy on your soul? Yes. Because I don't know.

When you say that "it doesn't work that way" you are telling God what to do. Well, I have news for you, it doesn't work that way.

If you think that God doesn't listen to our prayers for something what makes you think He listens to them for anything? Why isn't God able to be merciful to the soul of the departed and yet you expect Him to be merciful for some ill relative or friend? Your rules or God's?

The earliest Christians gave great respect to the remains of their brother Christians. While the soul may have departed they knew that they were still alive in Christ as St. Paul said.

They knew and they believed, unlike you it seems, the words of Christ when He said: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." (John 11:25).

That is how I interpret what you are saying.

And as this discussion first started, it does break my heart.

Kentucky Trevor wrote:

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I don't understand why you have had how many apparitions and miracles in your life that no one else has ever had. You said water gushed of your stomach, God revealed to you that the KJV is the choice translation, ect. But God hasn't revealed this to other holy people, like Billy Graham or Joel Osten.

first, at no time did I say that the KJV is the choice translation. you have a reading problem or you like to stir the pot?

I said God had revealed Himself and His Power through the KJV and that is good enough for me. I would use no other, with one exception.

second that living water coming out of my belly represents the Holy Ghost. If others have not received that experience, that is of no concern of mine. Jesus spoke concerning a person who truly desires to be a righteous person, would receive it.I would think that many should have, wouldnt you?

these Experiences are probably different than any others you have heard someone mention but no different or more special than others that have happened to people in the Bible.

as far as what you claim for mary in her appearances, we know through reading the Bible(Samuel and saul), that we arent to enquire of those who have passed on. their work is done, they will not be back to do anything else.

and when someone from heaven comes, more than likely it will be His messengers, an angel.

Reformed Theology wrote:

and I am sure that our hearts will resonate with this in a passion that only will be involved in

the goo intentions

of the diplomatic expositors

The "goo" intentions > this is key >

You are clearly saying that if we do a radical makeover our doctrinal understanding and way of dealing with reality ...

and do this according to "goo intentions",

we will be goo-gooing about how it would have been easier to fly over here by American Airlines, rather than to cram people on little ships with no toilets and foul-mouthed crew members, trusting all their means to business people who did not even know God.

I have wondered if ones who did that had a different kind of goo in their minds. So, yes, we need rejuvenated goo to renew our intentions (o:

com7fy8 wrote:

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The "goo" intentions > this is key >
You are clearly saying that if we do a radical makeover our doctrinal understanding and way of dealing with reality ...
and do this according to "goo intentions",
we will be goo-gooing about how it would have been easier to fly over here by American Airlines, rather than to cram people on little ships with no toilets and foul-mouthed crew members, trusting all their means to business people who did not even know God.
I have wondered if ones who did that had a different kind of goo in their minds. So, yes, we need rejuvenated goo to renew our intentions (o:

You completely understand! That's scary. LOL

Mary Hammond wrote:

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My apology was on the poll you posted. If you scroll up past my statement to Crappy Rabbi- you will see it.
No- the apology was NOT telling crappy about the toile t seat. LOL. Is that what you thought? That is too funny.
Bless you Nita.

Hi, MaryH, I saw it and I posted back to you too about it. I posted to Pedro on the Cappucian Fathers.. I love you both.
God bless you too, Mary,
Nita

John from NJ wrote:

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Perhaps you might enjoy reading what Calvin wrote about where the soul spends its time until "that day"..

no thanks. I will choose to believe this Spiritual Experience that I saw first hand rather than what someone who has not receive this Spiritual Experience from God.

All the greats in Heaven were there, He had the pleasure of meeting them and speaking to them, and God gave him the privilege to come back and tell me that He had a job to do for me.

I will stick to my own understanding of what the Truth is. you can choose to think as you will. For you see in August 1982, I questioned the Lord, about that day and asked Him when I was to do what he wanted me to do.He answered with the darkest blackness that covered my eyes around 6 times. On Wed. Aug 25th, at an altar, my soul was saved as I felt His Blood cover my body from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet.

1 1/2 years, again at an altar of Prayer, I was annointed with oil and called by God to Preach His word.

since then, I have tried to Preach, to the best of my ability.

so you listen to calvin,

I listened to the Lord.

John from NJ wrote:

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Let's be honest, you don't acknowledge the KJV as the Word of God, only the New Testament. The original KJV contained the Septuagint for the Old Testament, the same Scripture used by Christ and the Apostles.
So you reject what you say you accept.
Inconsistent behavior, in my opinion.

No I have always say, and will till I die that God Proved this KJV to me,

I will own no other.

You keep what you wish, but I doubt if the Lord will do to you what He did for me.

I have a Personal Experience with the KJV and God,

Do you?

NitaM wrote:

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Hi, Mary Hammond, I saw where you voted. Thanks. BTW was that meant to be an apology to me? You mentioned you did apologize to me somewhere on the threads on Share the Joy after I appologized to you last night on that thread. See my post now on Share..
God bless you,
Nita

I wasnt the only person who thought you are a very crass person, though I was very nice in giving you a description as to how those words can fel to a person.

to make a poll about someone you are fighting with was very childish and hurtful, as I said, i hope you learned a lesson.
and if you choose to make one about me as you threatened , be my guest.

As long as I KNOW that I am trying to live a good life, what a person like you thinks, is of no consequence.

when you made that poll, you showed the world what type of person you are, and though you may try to get it removed, the damage is already done.

May God have mercy on your soul