What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

sunnstorms wrote:

Disciple, thank you for your correction about bishops.
If it is not in the bible then it is of man, therefore subject to suspicion. If you cannot answer a question about your faith with a scripture to back you up, then your answer is without merit. We MUST be able to prove any sprirtual teaching by examining the Word of God.

No problem, Sunns; you really seem like you have a love for the truth. Only someone with a deep regard for God's truth would make such a bold statement, or admit that they were just corected. I like how you think.

That said, I probably get corrected every time I pick up the Bible and read it. 8^)

I don't mind though. What's important is that God is always right, even if it makes me always wrong.

JOHN wrote:

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I have been posting on topix maybe 4 months and I think that it is starting to get to me. There is one person who posts mostly on the other forum continually calls the Catholic Church of Satan. I think some on these forums miss the point. I am more than willing to explain my faith, and I enjoy hearing others of non-catholic faith what their beliefs are. Hopefully there will be more respect. Thanks John

Howdy John, I too wish we could share our faith in a civil manner. Unfortunately, Catholic bashing has been going on for about 500 years now. I've been told we are often cursed from the pulpits of numerous denominations. When I asked you in a previous post if you ever heard anything negative about any protestant denomination in our church, I was pretty sure what the answer was. To me this one way bashing speaks volumes. These posts come from anonimous people who can say whatever they want without recourse. Notice how one sided the trash talking is?

Hi Disciple,
I reponded to your question earlier on.
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Hey, WAYNE, SIC 'EM!!!
I didn't know it was such an arrogant, elitist bunch as to believe Jesus didn't love me as much as He does you.

JOHN wrote:

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We have to look at what unites us instead of what devides us. Yes the Bible is the Holy word of God, and all Christians look to it as such. But if you look there are so many ways of looking at Holy Scripture. But if you remember our lord treated the Semarians (I know I misspelled this), who were looked upon by the Jews as heretics. He treated them with respect and love. We need to treat each other with the same respect and love. It is also dangerious to suspect others are being guided by satan instead of Christ because we do not agree with the other. I am a member of the Catholic Church, I would never tell anyone that I felt they were outside of God's church just because they were not Catholic. I say this out of respect for all that profess to be Christian.

Okay, let's say you are right (as your words are very kind). I want to play the [devil's] advocate here:

<<<I come to you. I am a Christian. I preach love, respect for others, and universal brotherhood between all Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and atheists. I then go on to teach that Christ is not the only way to heaven. There are many different faiths, so there are many different ways. I use Ghandi as an example. I state that "what's good for me as a Christian, might not work for someone else who is a Muslim or a Hinud;" but as long as we have a good heart, we can all still get to heaven.

Two things you know about me. First, I absolutely have a zeal for the Lord; and second, you saw me argue with someone about how to get to heaven about a week ago.

You and I then get into a religious discussion. We're really getting along, and then I profess these same beliefs. What do you tell me as a Christian?

Olderndirt wrote:

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Howdy John, I too wish we could share our faith in a civil manner. Unfortunately, Catholic bashing has been going on for about 500 years now. I've been told we are often cursed from the pulpits of numerous denominations. When I asked you in a previous post if you ever heard anything negative about any protestant denomination in our church, I was pretty sure what the answer was. To me this one way bashing speaks volumes. These posts come from anonimous people who can say whatever they want without recourse. Notice how one sided the trash talking is?

I am protestant and I very much disagree with the Catholic Church, but no bashing on my post. The Catholics have doe more than bash with words in the past. Check your hisory.
protestants have done the same. we all are just wicked sinners that need a Savior.
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sunnstorms wrote:

John...very good.
I think that the Catholics and the Protestants both believe the basics of Christianity- that God is our Creator, Jesus is the Son of God who came to earth and died for our sins, and that only by accepting Christ as our Saviour may we be saved.
It's only when the man-made rules and doctrines enter in that ALL denominations begin to differ and argue. For instance, I think the Church of Christ is off when they forbid using instruments as an aid to worship...but that is just another example of the differences that have nothing to do with salvation...maybe it is time we stopped arguing with each other about these things. If the Catholics are wrong in their beliefs, or if the Protestants are wrong in their beliefs, it is only to God that we each will have to answer when we stand before Him. Till then, we need to provide a united front against the divisiveness that Satan is sowing in our midst. Although Olderndirt (and the other defenders of the Catholic faith) has a different way of worshiping, it is clear that he/they/we absolutely have a heart for the Lord. Isn't that what it is all supposed to be about?

Thanks alot, Sunns!!!
We were getting along just fine and now you bust my chops about the musical instruments!!! I tell ya...

Just kidding. 8^)

Olderndirt wrote:

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Howdy John, I too wish we could share our faith in a civil manner. Unfortunately, Catholic bashing has been going on for about 500 years now. I've been told we are often cursed from the pulpits of numerous denominations. When I asked you in a previous post if you ever heard anything negative about any protestant denomination in our church, I was pretty sure what the answer was. To me this one way bashing speaks volumes. These posts come from anonimous people who can say whatever they want without recourse. Notice how one sided the trash talking is?

It is almost that they are not so sure about their own faith that they have to scream as loud as they can. It is childish. I was raised by my parents actually not to talk about religion. My mother especially being raised in Alabama in the 1920's was not a good place to be Catholic, and my grandfather was a union organizer for the Coal mines which made it even worse. But I have always felt that we can learn from each other (not convert), but learn. This is what tears down walls and destroys hate. I really feel that this is what our Savior would want. Take care John

Really enjoyed it, I wanted to click out and
you kept pulling me back in! Many thanks
and keep up the great work!

Olderndirt:"Howdy John, I too wish we could share our faith in a civil manner. Unfortunately, Catholic bashing has been going on for about 500 years now."
WE have been Catholic bashing????? I have NEVER presumed to tell you are going to HELL for your beliefs! YOU guys are now the ones who are telling us we have no chance, even though the bible tells us differently! Oh, the "bashing" is more subtle (I didn't catch on till Marsand) but there it is, folks. Thanks for opening my eyes to the reality of your churchs' delusions, Marsand.

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LOL Disciple! Well, as that subject has nothing to do with what we must do to be saved, it's not a biggie...as for me, I like them big bass drums lol

Louise wrote:

you do know dont you that Jesus is God made flesh?? and God made flesh dwelled within Mary for 9 Months, it follows if you use common sense , that if Jesus is God , Mary is the mother of God and really do you honestly think that God being God would actually allow his son to dwell in a womb of a sinful person when he has the power to prevent that?? again a little common sense would do you a world of good
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Where was Mary when God created the earth, the heavens and all the creatures that abound on earth?

He has always been and always will be. Mary was born a sinner to a mother and a father. She gave birth to Christ as well as other children. After Christs death, she is only spoken of briefly in the Bible and for good reason. Her purpose was to bear Christ, which she did. She died and was buried.

The Holy Trinity is called that for a reason. It's not the Holy Quad or Three men and a Virgin. Try to think for yourself instead of regurgitating these fairy tales. She is NOT my God nor would I ever pray to her. The only way to heaven is through Christ. Period. Pray to a false God and you will never see the gates of heaven.

You simply cannot re-write the Bible to fit some perverse idea of some 'Queen in heaven'. God never spoke of such a thing. Only the Catholic Church. It is truly a sacrilege.

Disciple wrote:

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Okay, let's say you are right (as your words are very kind). I want to play the [devil's] advocate here:
<<<I come to you. I am a Christian. I preach love, respect for others, and universal brotherhood between all Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and atheists. I then go on to teach that Christ is not the only way to heaven. There are many different faiths, so there are many different ways. I use Ghandi as an example. I state that "what's good for me as a Christian, might not work for someone else who is a Muslim or a Hinud;" but as long as we have a good heart, we can all still get to heaven.
Two things you know about me. First, I absolutely have a zeal for the Lord; and second, you saw me argue with someone about how to get to heaven about a week ago.
You and I then get into a religious discussion. We're really getting along, and then I profess these same beliefs. What do you tell me as a Christian?

Disciple, I believe that as Christians we all have a chance to go to Heaven. I do not believe that only Catholics go to Heaven anymore than only Protestants go to Heaven. I also believe that those who have not heard the Gosple could go to heaven also. As Christians our first responsibility is to be humble (pride is a sin), treat all with respect. We should try to live our lives as Christ would want us to. I happen to be Catholic, but that does not mean that I am better or have more knowledge than those that are not Catholic. Take care my friend. John

Hey, everyone, once again, I'm sorry. I just let Marsand get to me, and I shouldn't have. Now you all know one of my many weaknesses. Please forgive me for lashing out to all when it was just the one who pushed my button....

Olderndirt wrote:

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Oh???Where does Hermeneutics and figurative language come into play when one interprets scripture. Why do I suddenly need class's by someone to hear God's word in scripture.
It's kind of you to usually finish your posts after subtle putdowns of Catholics with a "lets just all get along" finish.
I am settled down. If we aren't enemies, why the looking down your nose and insulting Catholics?? It is rather difficult to remain civil after being subtly called a heretic, pagan, spiritually useless member of my faith in so many words.
Being you are so versed in scripture, can you explain to those of us who haven't taken the same class's as you whether you've sold your possessions and given it all to the poor??? Should we pluck out our eye if it gives in to sin as scripture tells us?? What should one do according to the classes you take??
What point have I proven??

I stated so because I took your tone as argumentative and sarcastic. If you were really asking a question, then you have my apologies. Regardless of your intent, here is my response.

Mat. 5:29 states:
If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

If we look at the context, we will see that the preceding two verses are discussing adultery. Hence, we know that this scripture is regarding the sin of adultery.

We also know that Christianity is not about legalism or action, but it is about what is in our heart. It is a heart condition. Adultery begins in the heart because sin begins in the heart. Perversity is in his heart, He devises evil continually, He sows discord (Prv 6:14). We also know that God hates a heart that devises wicked plans (Prv 6:18). Put these two scriptures together, and then we add what we know about how sin begins: Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death (James 1:13-15).

Hence, we know that:
We should not commit adultery (Mat. 5:27).
Sin starts in the heart (Prv 6:14).
God hates a heart that devises evil (Prv 6:18).
We desire things that we see, which some call lust of the eyes (1 John 2:16).
If we can keep from being enticed by our desires, which spring from temptation, then we will be able to fight off sin (James 1:13-15).
The eye is indicative of temptation and desire, and it is far better to remove that temptation or desire from our hearts than to let it lead us to sin, and ultimately to death (separation from God).

I could have addressed this from a few different angles, but the important thing is that I do not take this passage out of its context. For anything taken out of context is simply pretext. Now one might say that it can be a bit tedious to have to go through so many scriptures to prove a point, but I only do so in order to prevent someone from using something else to take this scripture out of context. Scripture always interprets scripture. Better to use this method, then to rely on men to interpret everything for you.

The selling all we have can start a fiasco. But I'll address it soon.

JOHN wrote:

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What on earth are you talking about? I am a traditional Catholic, and I think maybe you have stepped over the line. To talk about the present Holy Father that way and the Late Pope John Paul if I were you I would be ashamed. But more than that we should be following the lead of Our Savior Jesus Christ and respect for all of our brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you are truly a traditional Catholic you do not believe in the lies of the current popes. They are not only letting Protestants and Muslims go to hell by their fawning over their false religion, but they are also no friends of the Jews. They tell them that they are saved by the old testament.

A traditional Catholic does not accept that new mass concocted by a freemason. They believe in EENS not the universal salvation of the current occupants of the Vatican.

These poor Protestants think that they know the bible.

Do they really follow Our Lord when they reject His Body and Blood.
He said it clearly and without any metaphors;

“Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink His blood, you shall not have life in you”

They walked away as the crowd did in that Holy Week.

That statement led directly to His crucifixion.

They choose what they want and ignore what they need.

That is why they are going to hell. It does not have to be so, but their hardness of heart is the same as those who walked away.

They could not take literally what He said, and He did not try to further explain that He only meant it as a symbol.

Poor Protestants, Jews, and Muslims. It is so unnecessary that they should perish..

OK (not being confrontational, just honestly curious)
If the Pope were to say that for the good of the Church, the CC needs to include various belief systems so that the religious fighting will stop....

My question is this...would you continue to follow him in that declaration, or would you say that he is wrong?

Marsand wrote:

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If you are truly a traditional Catholic you do not believe in the lies of the current popes. They are not only letting Protestants and Muslims go to hell by their fawning over their false religion, but they are also no friends of the Jews. They tell them that they are saved by the old testament.
A traditional Catholic does not accept that new mass concocted by a freemason. They believe in EENS not the universal salvation of the current occupants of the Vatican.
These poor Protestants think that they know the bible.
Do they really follow Our Lord when they reject His Body and Blood.
He said it clearly and without any metaphors;
“Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink His blood, you shall not have life in you”
They walked away as the crowd did in that Holy Week.
That statement led directly to His crucifixion.
They choose what they want and ignore what they need.
That is why they are going to hell. It does not have to be so, but their hardness of heart is the same as those who walked away.
They could not take literally what He said, and He did not try to further explain that He only meant it as a symbol.
Poor Protestants, Jews, and Muslims. It is so unnecessary that they should perish..

I am a traditional Catholic, my parish is a traditional Latin Mass Parish in union with the Holy Father. All masses are in Latin using the Missal of 1962, and the Rosary is said before each mass. Are you a member of the SSPX? You do not win friends by being judgemental of those who you disapprove of.