What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

rose wrote:

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The CHURCH meaning the body of Christ did not do this, however the heirarchy who had been corrupted for greed and political reasons did.. I honestly dont think that in any of this , even the holocaust of Hitler.. the Jews as such were the thing.. though they were certainly used and persecuted.. they were scapegoats and made to seem to the people a cause of all their woes.. If you give people something to focus on and hate you can acheive power..
while I am not a true historian, I think these were the times when the Papacy was influenced by power other than HOly.. the power of Kings and greed..I also believe this is one of the things that had to lead to the Reformation. later on..everything has consequences and I beleive the Church gave up a lot in those days with corruption.. Thankfully I also believe that now they are coming back to the bible and have more in common with the Evangelical church tahn ever befoe.. God ordained this geting back on the track I beleive anyway.. I mean look at how many times he dispaced Kings in the OT.. trying to get one who would not worship false gods .. over and ober they strayed and yet he sstill loved them..
Look at the KKK, most of the members were eveil but pawns with little thinking power of their own who need to feel superior to someone... the men driving them acheived little kingdoms of power by feeding ignorance.
Yes there were in all cases True fanatics.. Just as there are now in Islam.. those who convince themselves they are better than someone else.
I remember an old Star Trek episode Frank Gorsham , I think is playing the part of this prisoner who has escaped and is being hunted for being of a lower race.. his skin is half black half white.. At the end of the episdoe you see his hunters , the Higher beings and the crew is amazed.. they are also half black half white but the sides of color are reversed.. Sad but a true pictuer of us humans..

All for the Love wrote:

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John from NJ,I am hurt.
What art of my apology do you not understand?
I tried to make things right with you,do you not accept my apology?
I made a mistake ok?
I aint perfect,are you?

John from NJ wrote:

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By "the Church" I mean the Eastern Orthodox Church, also known as the Orthodox Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox, etc.
Were there bishops in Rome or in the East who may have had political objectives that came ahead of the teachings of either Church? Sure. The only person who was perfect who walked this planet was Christ.
I would disagree with you on the cause of the Reformation. To a degree.
Yes, I do remember that TV show.

Robert F wrote:

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Greetings zaz
Peace
Your monotonous message of WAKE UP, has put people asleep.....
Peace
Robert

zazenmind wrote:

<quoted text>The brainwashed cannot see or hear what is, they can only see and hear their preacher that is preaching to his choir...WHICH MEANS EVERY GROUP OR SECT IS ISOLATED FROM THE OTHER, OUT OF IGNORANCE AND FEAR...WAKE UP..

rose wrote:

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hmm very indirect.. and I do believe Yeshua was and is the Jewish Messiah.. Amen

Robert F wrote:

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Greetings zaz
Peace
How incredibly closed to the reality, your mind is.....Many people in the Christian faith are not ignorant, nor are they fearful, nor are they controlled by either of them....
I think ye doth protest too much....
Peace
Robert

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zazenmind wrote:

<quoted text>Fables that the religious authorities and their sheep love to preach, because its part of the traditional programming of the imitators, who fear self discovery, so like all parasites, they live off the ideas of others...You cannot live off yesterday manna, nor can you see truth, through the lenz of another, because the world and mindset of that period was vastly different, even their words meant something different from what think they mean in todays world...IT WAS ALL SPECULATION, AND FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN...You cannot live on the speculation or the faith beliefs of others, which means, they have no evidence, just thoughts and mental images...THUS LIKE THEY SAY, ITS ALL IN YOUR MIND...WAKE UP..

zazenmind wrote:

The brainwashed are conditioned by the religious and political authorities to ignore what is, and pretend that fables and superstitions are real, all this is done, through vain repetition and fear teaching, its the best tool of the authorities...WAKE UP...Ive talked protestants, catholics, jews, islamics and they all seem to be in a trance, a blind stare, a wall of mental isolation...The republican cant hear the democrat, and the jew cant hear the islamics, this pathology is a disease they are all infected with, its a blinding disease, which is why, they are all self isolated from one another, out of fear and ignorance, all rooted in the traditional teaching that comes from their religious and political authorities...WAKE UP..The blind guides leading the blind followers toward the cliff of self destruction...

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zazenmind wrote:

<quoted text>Continue to distract and entertain yourself with the fables and superstitions of the past, its like taking a drug and numbing your mind, so that you dont have to deal, with what is, MIND GAMES...WAKE UP..

rose wrote:

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yes thank you so much .. you may get some rain though
glad we didnt run yu off .. lol.

rose wrote:

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ok I get this but when he wrote the epistle he dint know he was going to be martyred.. and I think he was trying to tell others the same thing to endure till their SPIRITS joined Christ in heaven.
I have emailed my former pastor and am doing some other research.. I supose none of us will know for sreu until it happens but I think our souls do go to be with him when we die
In Romans 6:23 we read, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord". Death is a separation. When we die physically, our body is placed into the grave, but our spirit is separated from our dead body and goes back to God, who gave it. We are told in Ecclesiastes 12:7, "Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it". In physical death, there is a separation between our body and our soul.
In Romans 6:23, we saw that, "For the wages of sin is death". This is a spiritual death, which is eternal separation from God for those who are lost. The majority of people will experience spiritual death and be separated from God. They cannot go and be with God in Heaven. This leaves only one place for them to go, Hell. We see Hell spoken of as the second death in Revelation 21:8, "the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death". The second death is eternal separation from God.
http://www.netbiblestudy.net/new_page_4.htm
I love that study how it tellw you if you get teh questions right..

sunnstorms wrote:

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Considering the times and how the other Apostles had died, Paul probably had a pretty good idea of how he would die.
Again, our spirits DO go back to God, but our souls have to wait, unless we are martyred.
mmmmm....what is your understanding of the spirit and the soul?
And yes, let me know what your former pastor says....

Peter Paul and Mary wrote:

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Sunns, Mother Theresa was working with the very ill and very poor. Most of the people she ministered to were dying in the streeets. What do think would go through her mind when she came upon a person dying in the streets..'Oh let me give him a christian lesson'?
Mother Theresa once said "The worst desease in the world is not AIDS or Cancer or Leprocy, the worst desease in the world is feeling lonely and unwanted."

zazenmind wrote:

<quoted text>Qouting others, is like taking a drug, you get a sensation that distracts and entertains you for the moment, and so you go on seeking your next fix, just like any other addict..It does not produce transformation or self understanding, just another mind game, that you learn to play...THE ADDICT IS A MENTAL ISOLATIONIST, WHO IS SELF DECIEVED, BELIEVING THE SENSATION IS CREATING CHANGE, BUT THE ONLY REALITY IS THE SENSATION THEY FEELS...WAKE UP..

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John from NJ wrote:

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I think that you would say black if I said white to simply disagree.
Hand written copies of the Bible were quite expensive and not readily available. If the Bible was stolen from a Church there would be no readings from the Bible during the services. No reasonable person would not understand that. You have a lock on your front door at home, don't you?
We were not involved with the Inquisition. When the Church condemned people as heretics their punishment was not being able to receive the Sacraments of the Church. In reality, that was probably worse than death.

John from NJ wrote:

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Going back to Jewish law one does not desecrate a body, a body that was made in the image of God. A house fire is not deliberate. It is called an accident. Do you understand the difference?
As I already said, soul sleep is an ancient heresy that the Church condemned. So did the ancient Jewish Rabbi's. If you want to believe in your new man made tradition, feel free.
If you want to read the Bible literally, how would you interpret this one from the KJV:
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;" (2 Timothy 4:1).
Are the slow going to miss that judgment?

sunnstorms wrote:

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But as a Christian, it is her duty to tell them about Jesus and His salvation, rather than telling them to be the best Buddhist they can be. Buddhists don't believe in God, let alone His Son! How is that going to help them? I would rather tell them about Jesus while they are dying, rather than saying pray to Buddha for comfort. Maybe her intentions were good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
"What do think would go through her mind when she came upon a person dying in the streets..'Oh let me give him a christian lesson'?"
I don't know what she thought, but when we came to a motor vehicle accident, a heart attack, stroke, etc, and if it looked bad, I would ask them if I could pray with them. Even being in America doesn't guarrantee someone is a Christian. One said no, he didn't want prayer, but even one who wasn't saved wanted me to pray for her. Sometimes, the time of near death is the BEST time to witness!

Mary wrote:

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I am not sure whether a Diocesan priest makes a vow of poverty or not but I know that if they do, then in doing so they are *not* making that vow because they are expected to live without any material goods. They have expenses and so they need a pay. I don't know about the figures but no matter, they need to pay their bills. And as to your smart comments about their getting paid whatever you quoted...who is say that they are not using it for the community, or donating it to the poor, sending some of it to their parents, etc. Are you pretending to know what they do with their money?
BTW, we have monks and nuns who make a vow of poverty and live in absolute poverty so much so that they don't even own the clothes on their backs.
Do any of your pastors live that way? Any of them follow what Jesus said - not to worry about what food they will have to eat, since He will take care of them as He takes care of the birds in the air.
Also, I know of pastors who have several kids in college with their wife at home. Hmmmmm, I wonder how much money they make.

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sunnstorms wrote:

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If I was a preacher, and my bible got stolen, I would still be able to preach. Do you know why? Because God wrote it in my heart, where no man can steal it away.
No one who has known Jesus for very long needs the bible to be able to give a sremon. It's nice to have the references, but the message is the same without them. Love God with all your heart, body, and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. Now, if the Holy Spirit chose to speak on a certain subject, He would bring to rememberance those things needed.
It's in the bible. God promised us these things, and if someone has been in church long enough to be a pope, then he would know this, too. A stolen bible would be no excuse for not giving a sermon.
I leave my bible on the dash with the windows open in the warm months. I figure that if someone steals it, they need it worse than I do.
I know "we" weren't involved in the Inquisition, but the cath church and the popes were for over 400 years. And when the people were condemned as heretics, they were burned, tortured, starved, flayed alive, etc. If only all they had to suffer was sacraments being with held! The were "heretics" because they (many of them) refused to submit to the pope. Did Jesus have this done to those who rejected Him? Then what makes a "vicar of christ" (lower cap "c" intentional) think he can or should? Isn't he supposed to be the "image" of Jesus on earth?
I know, the Inquisition is past, and we can do nothing to change the past. But we need to watch for the future. Just like the radical extremist muslims want to do away with Christianity today, communists want to do it as well. It can happen, and Jesus said it WOULD happen. When the antichrist comes, people will be pushed to give up the True God or die.