It's the Guns, Stupid

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Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Dr Freud

UK

#73073 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
Once again, and as before: Comparing nations with disparate government, laws, and cultures is akin to comparing a stone to a bird.
Statistics have no bearing for anything other than trends.
You keep pushing the same old pablum hoping to ensnare the unsuspecting, and unwary. That just proves your dishonesty.
Dr Freud

UK

#73074 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
<quoted text>
USA Firearm Homicide 8775
Justifiable Firearm Homicide 232
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
But nothing about the upwards of 2.5 million times each year where law abiding citizens employ guns in self-defence, and where in almost all cases the gun is never discharged. You didn't mention that fact because it would have been too inconvenient, correct? You couldn't have mentioned it, as it would have completely shot down everything else.
Dr Freud

UK

#73075 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
<quoted text>
Wise words. Just keep supplying the minorities with guns and you will have no problems. Although come 2042 the whites will be in the minority.
That will be interesting.
Since you can't make your argument with facts, you resort to racism in the attempt to gloss over your failings.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#73076 Aug 9, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Guns do kill people? Please show one court case were a gun was convicted of murder. Please show one case were a car was convicted of DUI. Please show one case were ANY inanimate object was convicted of any crime.
You and those who think like you need to be committed...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#73077 Aug 9, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>
Me nor my countrymen will deny WOMD were not found.
What angers me personally is that fucksticks like you who benefit from America's intervention into worldly threats from other entities posing a viable threat will only take the path of criticism to those who risk their lives to protect your own.
Stop being a naive twat....if it wasn't for the involvement of America who instigate these things we wouldn't have a problem, so don't get me started on that....America runs to it's own defence it has never gone to the defence of anyone else less it was at the behest of it's own interest...where were they in WW2 when Britain was being bombed to the shithouse, they never got involved till the Japs bombed Pearl harbour....Vietnam shall we get into why we were even there in the first place or what it acheived...I am so sick of you gung ho morons that don't have enough brains to think for yourself...the only thing missing from your thinking is you call your dictator a president...Wake up dearie...
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#73078 Aug 9, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever run statistics into how many people saved thier own lives and others due to the fact that they had a firearm when shit went south?
No.

YUK!YUK!YUK!
Dr Freud

UK

#73079 Aug 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You and those who think like you need to be committed...
If you were in-charge, what would you do to people who refused to follow your edicts, or subscribe to your beliefs?
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#73080 Aug 9, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>
You just provided a link on justifiable homocide.
And I for one appreciate it given it adds even more proof we as Americans should the right and ability to bear arms.
Keep your guns at all cost Pam !...they took most of ours away,and we may have to get em back if things work out badly....America's 1% is very scared of a strong , well armed population......and it's only fair that the good guys have guns ,and not just the bad guys .....
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#73081 Aug 9, 2012
Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide

Once again, and as before: Comparing nations with disparate government, laws, and cultures is akin to comparing a stone to a bird.
Statistics have no bearing for anything other than trends.
You keep pushing the same old pablum hoping to ensnare the unsuspecting, and unwary. That just proves your dishonesty.

Culture Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary,

Laws But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States.

Governments And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#73082 Aug 9, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, and as before: Comparing nations with disparate government, laws, and cultures is akin to comparing a stone to a bird.
Statistics have no bearing for anything other than trends.
You keep pushing the same old pablum hoping to ensnare the unsuspecting, and unwary. That just proves your dishonesty.
DOCTORS ARE THEIR OWN WORST PATIENT

Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.[1] The subject may use:

simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#73083 Aug 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You and those who think like you need to be committed...
IT is commitment , to personal liberty.
Dr Freud

UK

#73084 Aug 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop being a naive twat....if it wasn't for the involvement of America who instigate these things we wouldn't have a problem, so don't get me started on that....America runs to it's own defence it has never gone to the defence of anyone else less it was at the behest of it's own interest...where were they in WW2 when Britain was being bombed to the shithouse, they never got involved till the Japs bombed Pearl harbour....Vietnam shall we get into why we were even there in the first place or what it acheived...I am so sick of you gung ho morons that don't have enough brains to think for yourself...the only thing missing from your thinking is you call your dictator a president...Wake up dearie...
Your recollections of history are as faulted as your opinions. The U.S. was secretly involved in interdicting North Atlantic Nazi submarine traffic, along with providing convoy escorts between the U.S. and the UK long before the declaration of war was made. Additionally, U.S. fliers were used in the air defense of the UK before the declaration of war against Germany.
One is inclined to inquire: Why should the U.S. have gotten involved in what was just another European conflict?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#73085 Aug 9, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop being a naive twat....if it wasn't for the involvement of America who instigate these things we wouldn't have a problem, so don't get me started on that....America runs to it's own defence it has never gone to the defence of anyone else less it was at the behest of it's own interest...where were they in WW2 when Britain was being bombed to the shithouse, they never got involved till the Japs bombed Pearl harbour....Vietnam shall we get into why we were even there in the first place or what it acheived...I am so sick of you gung ho morons that don't have enough brains to think for yourself...the only thing missing from your thinking is you call your dictator a president...Wake up dearie...
After Darwin was bombed by the Japanese and Australia was in complete panic and terrified of invasion it was US Marines that kept them out of your country.

Your third world Air Force just bought USAF Jets we were sending to the scrap yard.

You navy is so weak your Government invited the US Navy to station at your Northern port.

Iran would wipe you off the map.
Dr Freud

UK

#73086 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
Once again, and as before: Comparing nations with disparate government, laws, and cultures is akin to comparing a stone to a bird.
Statistics have no bearing for anything other than trends.
You keep pushing the same old pablum hoping to ensnare the unsuspecting, and unwary. That just proves your dishonesty.
Culture Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary,
Laws But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States.
Governments And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Pushing the same shopworn argument repeatedly is a classic example of someone who knows that his story is without merit. Too, it's quite obvious that you have not ever heard the term 'false flag ops.'
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#73087 Aug 9, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>IT is commitment , to personal liberty.
Yes it is.....keep your guns , and keep your liberty....
Dr Freud

UK

#73088 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
<quoted text>
DOCTORS ARE THEIR OWN WORST PATIENT
Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.[1] The subject may use:
simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else
And you've just described perfectly well what your own problem is. Since you can't seem to hoodwink anyone here with your repeated exaggerations, faulty prognostications, and total misrepresentations of statistical data, you instead resort to an entirely incorrect assessment of someone else hoping to deflect the attention away from yourself.
There's a name for that: Transference neurosis.
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#73089 Aug 9, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Pushing the same shopworn argument repeatedly is a classic example of someone who knows that his story is without merit. Too, it's quite obvious that you have not ever heard the term 'false flag ops.'
Is this a false flag op DR Fraud

Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Dr Freud

UK

#73090 Aug 9, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>After Darwin was bombed by the Japanese and Australia was in complete panic and terrified of invasion it was US Marines that kept them out of your country.
Your third world Air Force just bought USAF Jets we were sending to the scrap yard.
You navy is so weak your Government invited the US Navy to station at your Northern port.
Iran would wipe you off the map.
"Iran would wipe you off the map."
That could be an improvement, all things considered.
Dr Freud

UK

#73091 Aug 9, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this a false flag op DR Fraud
Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Persistently repeating statistical data in the attempt to make a non-point has got to be the epitome of desperation.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#73092 Aug 10, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Your recollections of history are as faulted as your opinions. The U.S. was secretly involved in interdicting North Atlantic Nazi submarine traffic, along with providing convoy escorts between the U.S. and the UK long before the declaration of war was made. Additionally, U.S. fliers were used in the air defense of the UK before the declaration of war against Germany.
One is inclined to inquire: Why should the U.S. have gotten involved in what was just another European conflict?
Extremely well said.

If I made add Britain would have starved to death with out USA food convoys and lend lease would provide Britain with guns , tanks and other military equipment that allowed them to keep up with superior German industrial production.

Britain's greatest fighter aeroplane of the war would be an American fighter outfitted with a British Rolls Royce Engine.

American aid was the single greatest non British component of the war and no one knew this better the Churchill who in his "we will fight on the beaches" speech said ; "until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

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