It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
I gotta ask.

What's your point?
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Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266

Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69

Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million

Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?

Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.

But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.

Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.

The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
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Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
There are no blacks in Australia is why .

Up to date 260 people have died in Chicago alone.
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Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
Have you ever run statistics into how many people saved thier own lives and others due to the fact that they had a firearm when shit went south?
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<quoted text>There are no blacks in Australia is why .
Up to date 260 people have died in Chicago alone.
Yes the demographics of the USA are not suited to weak Federal gun laws.
We have a few non whites in Australia. Some Blacks too. LOL
They just arent supplied with handguns from interstate.

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Sorry if you believe that you (especially being an American) are not one of the most brainwashed and suceptable populations to hype and propaganda then you are seriously delusional.....The Iraqi war weapons of mass destruction had you all screaming out like a cat in heat and it was all smoke and mirrors...your freedoms though written and protected by law are imaginary. Guns do kill people, and if you are not worried about a neighbor or relative keeping guns next to their beds then I don't know why you would be concerned about a nuclear threat?
Me nor my countrymen will deny WOMD were not found.

What angers me personally is that fucksticks like you who benefit from America's intervention into worldly threats from other entities posing a viable threat will only take the path of criticism to those who risk their lives to protect your own.
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Have you ever run statistics into how many people saved thier own lives and others due to the fact that they had a firearm when shit went south?
USA Firearm Homicide 8775
Justifiable Firearm Homicide 232

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...

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USA Firearm Homicide 8775
Justifiable Firearm Homicide 232
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
You just provided a link on justifiable homocide.

And I for one appreciate it given it adds even more proof we as Americans should the right and ability to bear arms.
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Yes the demographics of the USA are not suited to weak Federal gun laws.
We have a few non whites in Australia. Some Blacks too. LOL
They just arent supplied with handguns from interstate.
there are 38.9 million of Negroes in US . There are no 38.9 million Australians .Overwhelming majority of violent crime is perpetrated by minorities whether in US Australia or EU
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<Americans should the right and ability to bear arms.
hell yeah gurl !

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guns provide us with perfect balance between gov and the people . When Hitler came to power first thing he did was to disarmed the German population . The rest of a history
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<quoted text>there are 38.9 million of Negroes in US . There are no 38.9 million Australians .Overwhelming majority of violent crime is perpetrated by minorities whether in US Australia or EU
Wise words. Just keep supplying the minorities with guns and you will have no problems. Although come 2042 the whites will be in the minority.
That will be interesting.
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Wise words. Just keep supplying the minorities with guns and you will have no problems. Although come 2042 the whites will be in the minority.
That will be interesting.
whites minority ?? LOL
Whites will always be a dominant force in this country .
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The NRA higher-ups all have a stake in the gun manufacturing business. It's in their best interest (but not ours) to keep any and all guns available for sale. Their only obligation is that the companies keep making money.
Suburbanites and nerds are afraid of young black males like Trayvon Martin when it's often their own that go on the shooting rampages.
The Constitution needs to be amended. In Switzerland, eveyone owns a gun because everyone is in the militia. What American gun nuts don't tell you is that the Swiss have to keep all the ammo in a regulated place and they can't just walk around pretending to be Charlie Bronson.
There is far more gun control in Switzerland. Don't be fooled by NRA propagada.
Resorting to emotionalism in the attempt to make what is essentially a non-point, is the hallmark of someone who really has no point. Then you drag in the race card in the attempt to play it as a joker, or whatever.
Face it: Your point is pointless, your facts are worthless, you're in need of a new crying towel, and a new Hollywood script to hype.
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NRA: A lobby for criminals
The NRA is a twisted, paranoid organization whose main achievement is to have made law enforcement harder
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/nra_a_lobby_f...
Your hallmark is proffering the specious as facts, and pandering to the worst sort of libel in the name of emotional outbursts. You wouldn't know a fact if one were to bite your arse.
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Total Murders Texas USA 1407
Total Murders Australia 266
Firearm Homicide Teaxas USA 840
Firearm Homicide Australia 69
Texas POP 22million
Australia POP 22million
Why do these other countries have such low homicide rates?
Their children watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games as our children. They have as much bullying in schools. They have oppressed minorities, and similar rates of non-firearm crime and violence (assaults, robbery, burglary, rape). And they all have crazy people.
But these other countries have stricter gun policies than the United States. And when disaster happens, they typically respond.
Following the 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania, massacre of 35 people, Australia acted quickly to effectively ban assault weapons. A mandatory buyback obtained more than 650,000 of these guns from existing owners. Australia also tightened requirements for licensing, registration and safe gun storage of firearms.
The result? In the 18 years before the intervention, Australia had 13 mass shootings. In the dozen years since, there has not been a single one. The laws also helped reduce firearm suicide and non-mass shooting firearm homicide
Once again, and as before: Comparing nations with disparate government, laws, and cultures is akin to comparing a stone to a bird.
Statistics have no bearing for anything other than trends.
You keep pushing the same old pablum hoping to ensnare the unsuspecting, and unwary. That just proves your dishonesty.
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USA Firearm Homicide 8775
Justifiable Firearm Homicide 232
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
But nothing about the upwards of 2.5 million times each year where law abiding citizens employ guns in self-defence, and where in almost all cases the gun is never discharged. You didn't mention that fact because it would have been too inconvenient, correct? You couldn't have mentioned it, as it would have completely shot down everything else.
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Wise words. Just keep supplying the minorities with guns and you will have no problems. Although come 2042 the whites will be in the minority.
That will be interesting.
Since you can't make your argument with facts, you resort to racism in the attempt to gloss over your failings.

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<quoted text> Guns do kill people? Please show one court case were a gun was convicted of murder. Please show one case were a car was convicted of DUI. Please show one case were ANY inanimate object was convicted of any crime.
You and those who think like you need to be committed...

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