Whispers get loud around Michelle Obama

Rochelletoo wrote:

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It's racist to take one person and say this person represents a whole race. It's plain racism. You want to 'disgrace' blacks, go for it. Don't blame me for your 'disgracing blacks'.
You get online with names like Vanilla/Ivory Gal and accuse other of disgracing blacks. I thought you said 'goodbye' to me?

Oh, and you are also delusional. I never said Michelle's racism is representative of the black race. They are your words and YOU are disgracing Blacks.

Ginger wrote:

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You are hopeless. I did say good riddance to you but you continue to bring up my name. You make absolutely no sense. If anything, you are disgracing blacks, Denise. You are forcing people to lower their opinion on your race by your very offensive language. Stop playing the victim and be happy with your race. Obviously, up to this point, you are not a happy camper.

Sounds like you took the short bus to school as a kid. I'll repost my response to you:

It's racist to take one person and say this person represents a whole race. It's plain racism. You want to 'disgrace' blacks, go for it. Don't blame me for your 'disgracing blacks'.

You get online with names like Vanilla/Ivory Gal and accuse other of disgracing blacks. I thought you said 'goodbye' to me?

Rochelletoo wrote:

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Sounds like you took the short bus to school as a kid. I'll repost my response to you:
It's racist to take one person and say this person represents a whole race. It's plain racism. You want to 'disgrace' blacks, go for it. Don't blame me for your 'disgracing blacks'.
You get online with names like Vanilla/Ivory Gal and accuse other of disgracing blacks. I thought you said 'goodbye' to me?

Like I said before, you are delusional and unhappy. Pathetic!

Robin The First wrote:

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Oh, so anyone can't write a history book and tout it as the truth? Magazine article? Biography? Like I said, you have confused "form" with "function".

The function of a research guide, like Thompson Gale or ProQuest which I use in research for the papers that I turn into my professor, is to assimilate articles that have used scientific data, and proven sources to subtantiate their point. As easy as it is to find information on the wikipedia site, there is no easy way to know for certain if the information that you have gotten is credible. In my original post, I said that many of the people who were giving so-called proof that Obama hates America, is secretly Muslim, ect., quoted wikipedia. ALL of my professors have stated in their syllabus that they will fail a paper that cites wikipedia as a reference. You are indeed entitled to your opinion, but I am definitely not confused on this issue.

ANT wrote:

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The function of a research guide, like Thompson Gale or ProQuest which I use in research for the papers that I turn into my professor, is to assimilate articles that have used scientific data, and proven sources to subtantiate their point. As easy as it is to find information on the wikipedia site, there is no easy way to know for certain if the information that you have gotten is credible. In my original post, I said that many of the people who were giving so-called proof that Obama hates America, is secretly Muslim, ect., quoted wikipedia. ALL of my professors have stated in their syllabus that they will fail a paper that cites wikipedia as a reference. You are indeed entitled to your opinion, but I am definitely not confused on this issue.

The same was true, concerning Wikipedia, when I was in college.

ANT wrote:

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The function of a research guide, like Thompson Gale or ProQuest which I use in research for the papers that I turn into my professor, is to assimilate articles that have used scientific data, and proven sources to subtantiate their point. As easy as it is to find information on the wikipedia site, there is no easy way to know for certain if the information that you have gotten is credible. In my original post, I said that many of the people who were giving so-called proof that Obama hates America, is secretly Muslim, ect., quoted wikipedia. ALL of my professors have stated in their syllabus that they will fail a paper that cites wikipedia as a reference. You are indeed entitled to your opinion, but I am definitely not confused on this issue.

Wikipedia has been under fire lately true. It certainly NEVER said that Obama is secretly Muslim or that he hates America - things like these would be obvious falsehoods - about anyone actually.

wikipedia is an excellent source of info - if there is an item or two that is not trusted - bring in more to back it up. But to disregard it is foolish.

Teachers do not want students to just copy and paste from wikipedia or to paraphrase.

Your blowing this out of porportion

Rochelletoo wrote:

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Sounds like you took the short bus to school as a kid. I'll repost my response to you:
It's racist to take one person and say this person represents a whole race. It's plain racism. You want to 'disgrace' blacks, go for it. Don't blame me for your 'disgracing blacks'.
You get online with names like Vanilla/Ivory Gal and accuse other of disgracing blacks. I thought you said 'goodbye' to me?

Ginger suffers from the strawman fallacy syndrome i.e. accuses others of what she is actually guilty of.

"Strawman argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]"

Sound like a few people we know?

Mike wrote:

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The same was true, concerning Wikipedia, when I was in college.

ANT getting paid by Thompson Gale or Pro Quest per chance?

Carol wrote:

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Ginger suffers from the strawman fallacy syndrome i.e. accuses others of what she is actually guilty of.
"Strawman argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]"
Sound like a few people we know?

You must have been up reading through wikipedia for information. You're just as nuts as Denise...but i was warned that by other poster. You guys are not well liked on this forum. Better CHANGE your images.

Ginger wrote:

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Better CHANGE your images.

WHY?

To be not well liked by people like you is a compliment - one that I am quite proud of.

Carol wrote:

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HAAAAAHHAHAHAHH!
This has GOT to be one of the FUNNIEST anti-Obama posts yet!!
He owed $200.00 in unpaid parking violations !!!!! Haaahhhhaaaaaahaahh.
AND some deranged idiot is calling for his disbarment because of alleged drug use and unpaid PARKING VIOLATIONS!
And disbarment - for THIS!!? HALF of the lawyers practicing today should be disbarred for much much worse!!

I don't know whether these allegations are true or not, but if they are, they may be serious. Remember that lying under oath was the rationale for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Lying on the application to become a lawyer is grounds for discipline. Having said that, nothing will come of this. If Obama were the average person, the bar make take action, but I believe they will, instead, sweep this under the rug.

As Usual, Obama Lies Again About His Alleged Accomplishments
" Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is MY committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon."
******Obama is not a member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. Obama just made that up so he could count the committee’s action as one of “my deeds.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Blasphemy wrote:

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I don't know whether these allegations are true or not, but if they are, they may be serious. Remember that lying under oath was the rationale for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Lying on the application to become a lawyer is grounds for discipline. Having said that, nothing will come of this. If Obama were the average person, the bar make take action, but I believe they will, instead, sweep this under the rug.

The bar doesn't take action on ANYTHING do not not have absolute proof of - he would have to be on tape snorting coke to be CONSIDERED to brought up on disciplinary charges - and then it would have to be proven that it was in fact coke! HOW MANY lawyers do drugs or have done drugs in their past PLENTY!!

Lawyers found guilty of forging court documents are given a 6 mo. suspension ONLY.

And the parking tickets - this actually made my day - this was hilarious!

Blasphemy wrote:

As Usual, Obama Lies Again About His Alleged Accomplishments
" Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is MY committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon."
******Obama is not a member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. Obama just made that up so he could count the committee’s action as one of “my deeds.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Is John Edwards still on Obama 's short list for VP? You know with Obama being a family man and all. Don't see how J.E. could be considered with his "mistress" and all. "Another" association and bad judgement call on Obama's part. The list just keeps growing and growing. "His" plane flying thru the air with the message of the "savior" "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE" Yes, we can believe that this guys EGO is out of control.

Blasphemy wrote:

As Usual, Obama Lies Again About His Alleged Accomplishments
" Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is MY committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon."
******Obama is not a member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. Obama just made that up so he could count the committee’s action as one of “my deeds.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

It WAS though HIS bill - so he misspoke.

IT'S ALIVE
Racism, that is. To bad for us.
When you choose anything by its looks you are most certainly WRONG.
The politics of the USA are in a most dismal state.
Defined by party lines and now ripped with racist overtones.
They all LIE to win. Period.
We The People are broke down like a shotgun and taxed in favor of the few.
DOOMED we are.

BAF-2 wrote:

<quoted text>Is John Edwards still on Obama 's short list for VP?

Edwards stated earlier on that he would not consider the position of VP.

Vietnam veteran and veteran's advocate, Virginian senator Jim Webb has always been high on the list.

Hillary of course as well.

Carol wrote:

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The bar doesn't take action on ANYTHING do not not have absolute proof of - he would have to be on tape snorting coke to be CONSIDERED to brought up on disciplinary charges - and then it would have to be proven that it was in fact coke! HOW MANY lawyers do drugs or have done drugs in their past PLENTY!!
Lawyers found guilty of forging court documents are given a 6 mo. suspension ONLY.
And the parking tickets - this actually made my day - this was hilarious!

If:(1) there was a question on the application which directly asked if the applicant had ever engaged in the use of illicit drugs,(2) Obama marked the answer "no", and then admitted in one of his books that he did, indeed, use illicit drugs, then it can be assumed that Obama lied on the application. However, as I implied earlier, without more public scrutiny, powerful people are rarely held accountable for such actions, so I don't anticipate any action by the bar.

Carol wrote:

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It WAS though HIS bill - so he misspoke.

He misspoke when he said there were 57 States. In this case, he either didn't know what committees he was on, or he lied -- one or the other. Either way, it's bad.

Headright 1650 wrote:

IT'S ALIVE
Racism, that is. To bad for us.
When you choose anything by its looks you are most certainly WRONG.
The politics of the USA are in a most dismal state.
Defined by party lines and now ripped with racist overtones.
They all LIE to win. Period.
We The People are broke down like a shotgun and taxed in favor of the few.
DOOMED we are.

Yes, unfortunately, racism is definitely alive in America:

How can Obama claim to be a "uniter" when his religion is based upon racism, i.e. black liberation theology. Here are a few statements from James H. Cone, one of the founders of black liberation theology, about the nature of Obama's religion, and you tell me if they are consistent with Christianity or "unification."

(1) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

(2)“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people."

(3) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism."

(4) "All white men are responsible for white oppression."

(5) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."

(6) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it."

I recommend that you do a little research on Obama’s so-called religion, black liberation theology. First, here is a link to Obama’s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama’s religion on their site, also. It is called “Black Theology and Black Power.”

http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk

If you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don’t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Here are just a few sources which are helpful.

http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
http://poligazette.com/2008/03/17/black-liber...
http://tinyurl.com/59uwhr
http://tinyurl.com/33vxgq
http://tinyurl.com/3q49g6

Also, here is the church’s Black Value System that Obama adhered to for 20 years:

1. Commitment to God

2. Commitment to the Black Community

3. Commitment to the Black Family

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence

6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic

7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"

9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community

10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions

11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System

12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

After you have completed your research, you will find that Obama’s religion is NOT CHRISTIAN, like he professes it to be, but racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.