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According to Cnn Obama has lost his lead. In one of the more important polls he is behind McCain. We all know these polls can bounce any which way until the election. At first people were entranced by Mr. Obama,and now that the new has worn off they are looking a little closer and not liking what they see.
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They have found Obama's long lost brother, isn't that nice. Check out CNN
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Why was the previous blogger rated as spam? He made valid points.
The Obama narrative is now clear and "The Case against Barack Obama" states this very well. Axelrod wanted to push the person and avoid policy details.
Two problems with this:
1.Opacity and lack of specificity do not work when the opponent is clear and concise. McCain-surge is good. Obama- Hominahominahomina, surge was bad and a failure, but now not totallly bad even though I can't say it was good and Bush was still bad and McCain agreed with Bush who is bad.
2. McCain has a personaliy ADVANTAGE over Obama. McCain doesn't appear rattled and remains consistant. Obama lies and is evasive about every aspect of his past including his birth certificate, citizenship, religion, friends and identity. All his friends were paid off and told to shut up and don't remember anything about anything. Obama gets annoyed at any minor criticism.(look at 41 page response to Corsi, even taking offense at the theory of abiogenic petroleum production) and Cosi claiming Obama had no slave ancestors.
BOLD PREDICTION= Obama will completely melt down. Even if he wins the Dem nomination(50-50) he will not be able to shake the appearence of being an evasive double-talker and even his supporters will become sick of this.
OBAMA IS ANNOYING. His James Earl Jones voice wears thin. Read his nonsense books. He writes well but says nothing. He stands for NOTHING.
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you slime ball, you keep hiding behind a afke name a fake ISP spreading garbage. is your mama proud of you, maggot?
you meen your mother actually named you "scooter"?
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BEFORE CHRISTIANS OR ANY AMERICANS WHO OPPOSE RACISM EVEN THINK OF VOTING FOR OBAMA, THEY NEED TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT HIS SO-CALLED “RELIGION.” How can Obama claim to be a "uniter" when his religion is based upon racism, i.e. black liberation theology. Here are a few statements from James H. Cone, one of the founders of black liberation theology, about the nature of Obama's religion, and you tell me if they are consistent with Christianity or "unification."
(1) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
(2)“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people."
(3) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism."
(4) "All white men are responsible for white oppression."
(5) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."
(6) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it."
I recommend that you do a little research on Obama’s so-called religion, black liberation theology. First, here is a link to Obama’s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama’s religion on their site, also. It is called “Black Theology and Black Power.”
http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk
If you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don’t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Here are just a few sources which are helpful.
http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
http://poligazette.com/2008/03/17/black-liber...
http://tinyurl.com/59uwhr
http://tinyurl.com/33vxgq
http://tinyurl.com/3q49g6
Also, here is the church’s Black Value System that Obama adhered to for 20 years:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
After you have completed your research, you will find that Obama’s religion is NOT CHRISTIAN, like he professes it to be, but racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, and who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.
And this is exactly why many of us cannot and will not ever vote for obama. He is a polished racist.
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The Scooter wrote:
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only in your KKK dreams ruthie. oly in your dreams.
Anything anyone says will never erase the 20 years Obama spent in a racist church or the first 12 years of his life spent under Islamic influence. He does not deny either of these facts. All he will say is that he was neither racist or Islamic. Now we are all confused about what he really is...NO WE ARE NOT...we now know that he is either a racist who lies to hide it or he believes in Islam and lies to hide that.
Either way he is a liar.
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Anything anyone says will never erase the 20 years Obama spent in a racist church or the first 12 years of his life spent under Islamic influence. He does not deny either of these facts. All he will say is that he was neither racist or Islamic. Now we are all confused about what he really is...NO WE ARE NOT...we now know that he is either a racist who lies to hide it or he believes in Islam and lies to hide that.
Either way he is a liar.
the news today in Chicago is that the U of I library has shut down its department which houses the information on how close William Ayers is with Obama. They have decided not to allow the information to be public. In Chicago it's not who you know, it's who you blow, I guess it's librarian now.

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It is laughable to suggest Obama is a racist to anyone thinking stuff through. How can he be when half his family is one of two races? And where are his actions that discriminated against a race? If anything his race speech made clear is that he can see from either perspective with equal insight. Not hard to imagine, given what he has experienced but only for those who think about it instead of buying into the same old worn out fear-mongered hype.
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There is more to being president then having two years in the US congress.

How can American citizens say that a man who has not done much in Congress be the man for this country?

He votes "present" on most everything he has voted for?

He does have a storied life, but I need a little more time with him in office, making a stand on something, before I can give him my vote.

He seems to have forgot that there are more Americans in this country then just the underprivlaged and the minorities.

I think if he shows us what he can do in the next four years in Congress whether good or bad he will give the country more time to make a valid decision.

His background in politics are a little shady, having his opponent remved from the ballots in a State election?

Why not just go up against the person and see what you really got? Because there is zero chance he would have won that seat in the state senate.

McCain is a hot head, that is not always a bad thing. There are times that this country will need someone who can talk the talk and then walk the walk.

Lets give McCain this four years, and give Obama some time to show America what he has.

If Obama had more time in the senate and still had the record he has, I would still not vote for him. Give us something to judge him on.
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It is laughable to suggest Obama is a racist to anyone thinking stuff through. How can he be when half his family is one of two races? And where are his actions that discriminated against a race? If anything his race speech made clear is that he can see from either perspective with equal insight. Not hard to imagine, given what he has experienced but only for those who think about it instead of buying into the same old worn out fear-mongered hype.
I do not believe that Obama is a racist or against this country in any way what so ever.

But he does seem to forget the Americans who are not underprivlaged or a minority?

A war monger is something that McCain is not, and if you think that anyone voting for McCain is a warmonger then you are just wrong.

Some of us have made studied and intellectual reasons for picking McCain over Obama, and it has more to do then just the safety of our Great Country.

You should quit bashing Americans for voting for McCain, they are still Americans with their rights to vote for who they wish.
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This is REALLY vile and disguesting !.....

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes.
This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15%(no change)

OBAMA
39.6%

How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to
cut the deficit.

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN (no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single
making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making
75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single
making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Married making
60K - tax $16,800 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 125K -
tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will more than double! How does this affect you?
No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
0%(No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations
because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than
2400 square feet

* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water,
electricity)

* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....

* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

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Aging Hippy wrote:
It is laughable to suggest Obama is a racist to anyone thinking stuff through. How can he be when half his family is one of two races? And where are his actions that discriminated against a race? If anything his race speech made clear is that he can see from either perspective with equal insight. Not hard to imagine, given what he has experienced but only for those who think about it instead of buying into the same old worn out fear-mongered hype.
If you are born half white/half black, you are black. If All blacks are racist and All whites are racist, as indicated by these threads, Obama is a black racist.
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And Google is about to melt down as the Obama attack dogs search and search to disprove these things.

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Old Surfer Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I do not believe that Obama is a racist or against this country in any way what so ever.
But he does seem to forget the Americans who are not underprivlaged or a minority?
A war monger is something that McCain is not, and if you think that anyone voting for McCain is a warmonger then you are just wrong.
Some of us have made studied and intellectual reasons for picking McCain over Obama, and it has more to do then just the safety of our Great Country.
You should quit bashing Americans for voting for McCain, they are still Americans with their rights to vote for who they wish.
Where you see him forgetting one group, I see him including everyone, especially the group that has been forgotten -- the middle class!

I see plenty of bashing here. I was recently called smarmy. No proof, just name calling. And they still want to debate me! How nonsensical is that?

I don't bash anyone. And if I ask you to quote where I have bashed someone, are you going to run away like the others have here (and that is still not bashing, it is simply telling the truth about my experience with this topic and the people who raise it)?

I challenge people's thinking for how uninformed, misinformed, illogical, lazy, convoluted, etc it is. I do not make derogatory comments about them as people. I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. I don't call anyone by a name. I don't ever feel that way about a person so why would I make comments to that effect? The worst anyone ever gets with me is mentally ill which causes me to skip reading and responding to their posts. And sometimes suggesting to others to go easy on the mentally ill one.
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WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT THE TRUE PATRIOT WHO BELIEVES AS WE DO ABOUT AMERICA, THE HONORABLE BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin. And no matter how many times he deceives the public or flip-flops on issues, we will not only support him, but we will make any arguments, no matter how untrue or illogical, to defend him, FOR HE IS “THE OBAMA.”

Signed,

Louis “racist and Jew hater” Farrakhan -- http://tinyurl.com/5ljrag

The Nation of Islam – http://tinyurl.com/6jhk22

Fidel Castro -- http://tinyurl.com/3hvh7d

Raul Castro -- http://tinyurl.com/5f2l2l

Hamas -- http://tinyurl.com/3tqj9a

Hezbollah -- http://tinyurl.com/676uuj

British MP George “I never met a terrorist I didn’t like” Galloway -- http://tinyurl.com/5j9tw6

Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- http://tinyurl.com/5f4x73

Communist Party USA -- http://tinyurl.com/5ntyog

The “We’re a black hate group and proud of it” New Black Panther Party -- http://tinyurl.com/6yacfm

Rev.“GD America” Wright -- http://tinyurl.com/26986g

William "the bomb" Ayers (formal endorsement to come)-- http://tinyurl.com/3vqpwb

Raila “the butcher” Odinga -- http://tinyurl.com/6x2zv9

Libyan Leader Mu'ammar Al-Qadhafi -- http://tinyurl.com/5bt6uh

Marxist Nicaraguan Leader Daniel Ortega -- http://tinyurl.com/2rrogr

Al “racial ambulance chaser” Sharpton -- http://tinyurl.com/244ddb

Tony “the indicted one” Rezko – http://tinyurl.com/5osp79

Father “if only I could be a black racist” Pfleger – http://tinyurl.com/5vlgp2

Oprah “I used to go to Obama’s church but got out just in time” Winfrey -- http://tinyurl.com/66n6xp

Rev.“I hate gays” Meeks -- http://tinyurl.com/5fpz3x

Donnie “Anti-Gay” McClurkin -- http://tinyurl.com/yrj63p

Korean Tyrant Kim Jong-Il -- http://tinyurl.com/6pdxtp

AND VARIOUS OTHER RACISTS, BIGOTS, ANTI-SEMITES, TERRORISTS, DICTATORS AND INDICTED INDIVIDUALS.
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It is laughable to suggest Obama is a racist to anyone thinking stuff through. How can he be when half his family is one of two races? And where are his actions that discriminated against a race? If anything his race speech made clear is that he can see from either perspective with equal insight. Not hard to imagine, given what he has experienced but only for those who think about it instead of buying into the same old worn out fear-mongered hype.
Like I said I do not believe that Obama is a racist. I do believe however, that after his time experiencing drugs that he has embraced his African American heritage more the his caucasion side. There is not one thing wrong with that, I believe that he has been the person with the turmoil and confusion of being a mixed child that actually looked more black then white. I also do not see anything wrong with the help he has done for the underrivlaged and the minorities to be a reason as to not have admiration for him. My problem with that is, while in the Illinois state senate that seemed to be his only priority? I am a 48 year old white male and as that I would like to see a little more talk of not taking away from me to give to his thinking of the underprivlaged. If I want to give to donations for a cause I should be the one picking them, not my government. I can say that he has even given me inspiration in life and politics, but it is just inspiration. I think his story would be a great self-help book. I will probably vote for him once he proves he can hack the rigors of the US Senate, but until then I just can not in good faith for this government give him my vote.

McCain as I have said is a hot head, but he does have more of what it takes to lead this country at this time then Obama does. McCain just as Obama wants change for this country, but he does understand that we are in the middle of a military crisis in this world and that we can not just turn our backs on it. He is a patriot through and through. A real war hero, he is not make beleive. McCain has crossed party lines more then a person can imagine. He almost even changed his party to become a Democrat? He is an older man, that has more pluses then minuses.

I guess what I am trying to get across is that people should make an informed and intellectual decision when voting for their next president. Do not only think about what he is going to do for your own individual classification as a citizen, but what that person is going to do for the country as a whole. Decide who actually has the power to get the changes that this country needs. If you are voting for a person because of their skin color only? Then you are a wasted vote. Also if you are voting for anyone other then Obama or McCain then you are also a wasted vote? I understand that you can write in any person that you want, but if it is not between the two candidates that are in the two major parties then your person is not going to be president.

Vote for McCain 08
Vote for Obama 12
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Of course I can....still to lazy to search the net?
I searched,I found, I refuted and you came back with nothing.
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The Grim Reaper wrote:
Why was the previous blogger rated as spam? He made valid points.
The Obama narrative is now clear and "The Case against Barack Obama" states this very well. Axelrod wanted to push the person and avoid policy details.
Two problems with this:
1.Opacity and lack of specificity do not work when the opponent is clear and concise. McCain-surge is good. Obama- Hominahominahomina, surge was bad and a failure, but now not totallly bad even though I can't say it was good and Bush was still bad and McCain agreed with Bush who is bad.
2. McCain has a personaliy ADVANTAGE over Obama. McCain doesn't appear rattled and remains consistant. Obama lies and is evasive about every aspect of his past including his birth certificate, citizenship, religion, friends and identity. All his friends were paid off and told to shut up and don't remember anything about anything. Obama gets annoyed at any minor criticism.(look at 41 page response to Corsi, even taking offense at the theory of abiogenic petroleum production) and Cosi claiming Obama had no slave ancestors.
BOLD PREDICTION= Obama will completely melt down. Even if he wins the Dem nomination(50-50) he will not be able to shake the appearence of being an evasive double-talker and even his supporters will become sick of this.
OBAMA IS ANNOYING. His James Earl Jones voice wears thin. Read his nonsense books. He writes well but says nothing. He stands for NOTHING.
I think the abiogenic oil "theory" says it all in a NUTshell about Corsi.

A Scientific theory is an explanation of a set of facts. Abiogenic oil has no basis in reality. The fossil evidence for fossil fuels is found in crude oil deposits. It is a whacko hypothesis at best.
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<quoted text>Where you see him forgetting one group, I see him including everyone, especially the group that has been forgotten -- the middle class!
I see plenty of bashing here. I was recently called smarmy. No proof, just name calling. And they still want to debate me! How nonsensical is that?
I don't bash anyone. And if I ask you to quote where I have bashed someone, are you going to run away like the others have here (and that is still not bashing, it is simply telling the truth about my experience with this topic and the people who raise it)?
I challenge people's thinking for how uninformed, misinformed, illogical, lazy, convoluted, etc it is. I do not make derogatory comments about them as people. I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. I don't call anyone by a name. I don't ever feel that way about a person so why would I make comments to that effect? The worst anyone ever gets with me is mentally ill which causes me to skip reading and responding to their posts. And sometimes suggesting to others to go easy on the mentally ill one.
I do not really see a lot of difference between condesending and bashing. I am not going to go back an look through posts that I have already read. Sorry just not that intrested, and no I am not going to tuck tail and run either. My thinking is that you have not even considered McCain at all. I have on the other hand considered Obama and still may vote for him in another election. I do not know if what I am saying about you is the gospel it is just my opinion after reading many of your comments. You do seem to have an answer against anything that is not of your thinking. I for one can say that a lot of the people that you post against have seemed to give some consideration to Obama, but have made an informed decision against him at this time. I personally do not believe that just because you say it on these forums makes it the ultimate in thinking? Go ahead and bash me, I can take it, it actually gives me more insight as to my own thinking and attitudes, which I do try and keep an open mind for. I would like to say can't we all just get along?

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<quoted text>Like I said I do not believe that Obama is a racist. I do believe however, that after his time experiencing drugs that he has embraced his African American heritage more the his caucasion side. There is not one thing wrong with that, I believe that he has been the person with the turmoil and confusion of being a mixed child that actually looked more black then white. I also do not see anything wrong with the help he has done for the underrivlaged and the minorities to be a reason as to not have admiration for him. My problem with that is, while in the Illinois state senate that seemed to be his only priority? I am a 48 year old white male and as that I would like to see a little more talk of not taking away from me to give to his thinking of the underprivlaged. If I want to give to donations for a cause I should be the one picking them, not my government. I can say that he has even given me inspiration in life and politics, but it is just inspiration. I think his story would be a great self-help book. I will probably vote for him once he proves he can hack the rigors of the US Senate, but until then I just can not in good faith for this government give him my vote.
McCain as I have said is a hot head, but he does have more of what it takes to lead this country at this time then Obama does. McCain just as Obama wants change for this country, but he does understand that we are in the middle of a military crisis in this world and that we can not just turn our backs on it. He is a patriot through and through. A real war hero, he is not make beleive. McCain has crossed party lines more then a person can imagine. He almost even changed his party to become a Democrat? He is an older man, that has more pluses then minuses.
I guess what I am trying to get across is that people should make an informed and intellectual decision when voting for their next president. Do not only think about what he is going to do for your own individual classification as a citizen, but what that person is going to do for the country as a whole. Decide who actually has the power to get the changes that this country needs. If you are voting for a person because of their skin color only? Then you are a wasted vote. Also if you are voting for anyone other then Obama or McCain then you are also a wasted vote? I understand that you can write in any person that you want, but if it is not between the two candidates that are in the two major parties then your person is not going to be president.
Vote for McCain 08
Vote for Obama 12
Interesting proposition you have but I'm not sure the US survives McCain 08 in order to vote Obama 12. And McCain himself doesn't care, either, given he is a one term president, or so he says. He also said he would be too old to run in 08 back in 2000. I believe that sending McCain to the White House signals a clear message that status quo is fine and it is not fine. There is nothing new or game changing about McCain now that he is lockstep with Bush. I believe that if we send Obama, the change message we want to send will be heard loud and clear.
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