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<quoted text>Ok, so layout the Republican Party's alternate proposal.
I'm off for the night. I'll read your response tomorrow.
How many tricks last night? I bet you made a whole ten bucks, LMAO.
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Feb 13, 2012
 
Biden is wrong. Only the Congress can work out a reversal of the violation of the Constitutional rights of the church. The Muslim sympathizer has no plans to change anything. BTW the President is sending another budget to the Senate. The last one ws voted down 97 to 0. Even the Democrats voted against it. We have not had a budget for 1044 days. Last one was provided by George W

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That is right. The Church, and their Hospitals, and clinics will not dispense contraceptives, or morning after pills, or medication to bring on abortions. Not today. And not in the future. This time the President, and his political vultures will answer for their decisions in November.
Even though I think your comment about contraceptive dispensing is wrong it doesn't matter one little whit in the manufactured controversy. There's not one damn thing in the regulations that require hospitals or clinics to dispense anything...just provide wellcare provisions in their employees' insurance benefits.

And it's a WINNER for the President!

Kellie Ferguson, executive director of Republican Majority For Choice:“You could see the same backlash {koman] on attacks on contraception. For the last number of years, we in the pro-choice community in general — AND WE SPECIFICALLY AS REPUBLICANS — have been saying as this pandering to a sort of social conservative faction of voters continues, you’re going to see the line pushed further and further and further. And we’re now crossing the line from discussion of when we should regulate abortion to when we should now regulate legal doctor-prescribed medications like birth control, which is woven in the fabric of society as an acceptable medication.

“There’s a big leap between people who vote at a Republican caucus and the majority that will vote in a general election. I THINK PIGEON-HOLING THE PARTY AS AGAINST WOMEN’S HEALTH IN GENERAL NOT ONLY HURTS THE PARTY, BUT IT HURTS OUR KEY CANDIDATES.“

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Feb 13, 2012
 
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I was a bit off, the 1% pay about 37% of personal taxes.
From the National Tax Payers Union:
Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles- Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$343,927- 36.73%
Top 5%
$154,643- 58.66%
Top 10%
$112,124- 70.47%
Top 25%
$66,193- 87.30%
Top 50%
$32,396- 97.75%
Bottom 50%
$32,396- 2.25%
I wanted to source this from CNN or MSNBC but true to form, on the subject they had many words but little data.
So as not to be impartial, I copied this link from a Fox News website which states that the middle class does indeed pay more in taxes than the rich. It is a fact that Warren Buffet's secretary pays more in taxes on "earned" income. The rich do not have to pay taxes on dividends, etc.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/02/08...

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Feb 13, 2012
 
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>So as not to be impartial, I copied this link from a Fox News website which states that the middle class does indeed pay more in taxes than the rich. It is a fact that Warren Buffet's secretary pays more in taxes on "earned" income. The rich do not have to pay taxes on dividends, etc.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/02/08...
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Don't confuse tax rates with taxes paid.

Yes, the middle class probably accounst for more tax receipts as there are more of them.

Investors DO pay capital gains taxes on investment income when they sell the instrument at a profit.

If they take the dividend, it's income and they pay taxes on it.
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Feb 13, 2012
 
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>So as not to be impartial, I copied this link from a Fox News website which states that the middle class does indeed pay more in taxes than the rich. It is a fact that Warren Buffet's secretary pays more in taxes on "earned" income. The rich do not have to pay taxes on dividends, etc.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/02/08...
Your comments?
Where did it say dividends etc. are not taxed?


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If the Constitutional violation of the Catholic Church was not a problem you wouldn't have Obama, Biden, several Democrat Senators, and Congressmen jumping up, and down like monkeys in a cage trying to back away from their Constitutional problem. As much fun as it is for me, it is a big problem for the Muslim sympathizer, and his minions. It won't be over until Congress reverses the whole idea, or until the President publically backs down. I hope it is still going on November 5th.

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bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Some of your suggestions are feasible, some are not. Health Savings Account? When my son was injured in a car accident in 1989, his medical bills came to approximately 3million dollars. Of course, the automobile insurance paid for that as well as lifetime coverage for injuries related to the accident. However, premature births, and other illnesses cannot be saved for as the cost of medical care is astronomincal. I don't foresee cost being driven down any time soon. As it is, hospitals pad the costs of treatment to cover for those who are uninsured, i.e. one tylenol in 1989 was $1.50! One cannot even afford the cost of dental care with a Health Savings Account.
Interstate insurance is already available and hasn't decreased the cost of medical insurance for employers or employees. Health vouchers for the poor is just medicaid repackaged.
The only realistic suggestion you've made is "to die, and the sad truth is many are, including children. I mentioned to you in another post about Santorum's response to a woman who's health insurance covered the cost of very expensive medicine for her child. She asked about the child's family who couldn't afford it and medical insurance that didn't cover it. His response was that drug companies have a right to make a profit? So, in essence, the kid is screwed and dies because of course, money is more important?
I am now spear-heading a fund raising on my job to offset the cost of medicine (not covered by our medical insurance) and additional monies for a co-worker's nine year grandson who needs a lung transplant or he will die. These aren't just statistics or figures. These are human lives we're dealing with and when did money become more important than human beings?
I knew you'd like the die suggestion.
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HSA's allow you to buy a major medical policy which would cover long term and major expenses. By raising the deductible to $5,000, the cost of a policy can drop dramatically. HSA's would allow you to save the $5,000.00.
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Drugs companies can make a profit. Research, marketing and production do cost a lot of money. Many types of drugs are low usage or require processes that do not lend themselves to low cost. Drugs have a limited patent life before them become generic. Some countries do not respect US drug patents and sales are lost as is the money to capture back the development expenses. You get to pay for someone else's free drugs.

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bappie wrote:
<quoted text>So as not to be impartial, I copied this link from a Fox News website which states that the middle class does indeed pay more in taxes than the rich. It is a fact that Warren Buffet's secretary pays more in taxes on "earned" income. The rich do not have to pay taxes on dividends, etc.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/02/08...
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They used the same chart I posted. The article pretty much said the same but in a different way.
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Both Romney and Buffet paid a higher tax rate when they got their pay check. The government has a lower tax rate for investment income so the rich continue to invest in business.
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Warren Buffet has misrepresented the rate he pays as has Obama. Now, if ole Warren flim flammed his way into avoiding taxes, maybe Barack should return any money he got from Buffet and the government should look into how Buffet avoided paying his fair share. The fact Buffet makes such a showy stink over his tax rate makes me wonder if ole Warren wasn't quite upfront with his fellow citizens. Can we say maybe Warren doth protest too much?
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Rush Limbaugh has had much amusement over how Buffet has a bank of tax lawyers ready at his beck and call to avoid paying one thin dime more than he has to.
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I will confess I despise a lot of white liberals like Warren Buffet who make a big show of everything to get swell points. It hasn't been lost on me Buffet decided to put his fortune into a foundation when he could have set up a fund to help families with their homes, set up food banks or pay college scholarships in the here and now. There are 2 types of liberals I hate the most: Race baiting, welfare pimping blacks (like Obama) and headline seeking aggrandizing white liberals (like Buffet).
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Note how Romney does not make a big show of his charitable actions.

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LookingToEscape wrote:
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They used the same chart I posted. The article pretty much said the same but in a different way.
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Both Romney and Buffet paid a higher tax rate when they got their pay check. The government has a lower tax rate for investment income so the rich continue to invest in business.
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Warren Buffet has misrepresented the rate he pays as has Obama. Now, if ole Warren flim flammed his way into avoiding taxes, maybe Barack should return any money he got from Buffet and the government should look into how Buffet avoided paying his fair share. The fact Buffet makes such a showy stink over his tax rate makes me wonder if ole Warren wasn't quite upfront with his fellow citizens. Can we say maybe Warren doth protest too much?
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Rush Limbaugh has had much amusement over how Buffet has a bank of tax lawyers ready at his beck and call to avoid paying one thin dime more than he has to.
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I will confess I despise a lot of white liberals like Warren Buffet who make a big show of everything to get swell points. It hasn't been lost on me Buffet decided to put his fortune into a foundation when he could have set up a fund to help families with their homes, set up food banks or pay college scholarships in the here and now. There are 2 types of liberals I hate the most: Race baiting, welfare pimping blacks (like Obama) and headline seeking aggrandizing white liberals (like Buffet).
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Note how Romney does not make a big show of his charitable actions.
I get it, you hate liberal and of course, you know they're not fond of conservatives either. There should be a comfortable middle as it can't all be one way or the other. Concessions are going to have to be made if we're going to get out of this mess.

You hate Obama, I despise Limbaugh. I honestly don't know how you can take anything he says seriously. As for race baiting, are you honestly going to say that the Republican candidates haven't race baited and appealed to the racist sector of this country? I mean, just take a look at this forum. Do these Republican posters make you proud to be a conserative republican?

You took people like me are weak because we care and want to help those less fortunate than us? How is that a bad thing?

I know, I might as well spit in the wind. and have it blow back in my face.

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LookingToEscape wrote:
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They used the same chart I posted. The article pretty much said the same but in a different way.
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Both Romney and Buffet paid a higher tax rate when they got their pay check. The government has a lower tax rate for investment income so the rich continue to invest in business.
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Warren Buffet has misrepresented the rate he pays as has Obama. Now, if ole Warren flim flammed his way into avoiding taxes, maybe Barack should return any money he got from Buffet and the government should look into how Buffet avoided paying his fair share. The fact Buffet makes such a showy stink over his tax rate makes me wonder if ole Warren wasn't quite upfront with his fellow citizens. Can we say maybe Warren doth protest too much?
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Rush Limbaugh has had much amusement over how Buffet has a bank of tax lawyers ready at his beck and call to avoid paying one thin dime more than he has to.
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I will confess I despise a lot of white liberals like Warren Buffet who make a big show of everything to get swell points. It hasn't been lost on me Buffet decided to put his fortune into a foundation when he could have set up a fund to help families with their homes, set up food banks or pay college scholarships in the here and now. There are 2 types of liberals I hate the most: Race baiting, welfare pimping blacks (like Obama) and headline seeking aggrandizing white liberals (like Buffet).
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Note how Romney does not make a big show of his charitable actions.
Please name some charities Newt donates too. I am not even going into the wife in the hospital deal and what other charities does Romney contribute to other than the Mormons?
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LookingToEscape wrote:
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They used the same chart I posted. The article pretty much said the same but in a different way.
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Both Romney and Buffet paid a higher tax rate when they got their pay check. The government has a lower tax rate for investment income so the rich continue to invest in business.
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Warren Buffet has misrepresented the rate he pays as has Obama. Now, if ole Warren flim flammed his way into avoiding taxes, maybe Barack should return any money he got from Buffet and the government should look into how Buffet avoided paying his fair share. The fact Buffet makes such a showy stink over his tax rate makes me wonder if ole Warren wasn't quite upfront with his fellow citizens. Can we say maybe Warren doth protest too much?
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Rush Limbaugh has had much amusement over how Buffet has a bank of tax lawyers ready at his beck and call to avoid paying one thin dime more than he has to.
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I will confess I despise a lot of white liberals like Warren Buffet who make a big show of everything to get swell points. It hasn't been lost on me Buffet decided to put his fortune into a foundation when he could have set up a fund to help families with their homes, set up food banks or pay college scholarships in the here and now. There are 2 types of liberals I hate the most: Race baiting, welfare pimping blacks (like Obama) and headline seeking aggrandizing white liberals (like Buffet).
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Note how Romney does not make a big show of his charitable actions.
I live in Omaha and I can tell you that I'm right with you on Buffett.
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bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Please name some charities Newt donates too. I am not even going into the wife in the hospital deal and what other charities does Romney contribute to other than the Mormons?
Here's some info.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-01/r...

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"Jan. 24 (Bloomberg)-- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney donated $7 million to charity in the past two years, more than the $6.2 million the candidate and his wife paid in federal taxes in that period, documents the campaign released show.

Romney and his wife, Ann, who jointly file taxes, gave $1.5 million cash in 2010 and $2.6 million cash in 2011 to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the tax documents show. A former Massachusetts governor whose campaign estimates his fortune at between $190 million and $250 million as co-founder of Boston private-equity firm Bain Capital LLC, Romney is a devout Mormon with deep family ties to the church.

The Romneys donated about 16.4 percent of their adjusted gross income of $42.5 million in the two-year period, according to their 2010 tax returns and an estimate for 2011 taxes. The 2010 return shows $3 million in charitable contributions, and the 2011 estimate shows $4 million."

So, he pays out quite a bit. Lots to the Mormons, but it's still a charitable donation.
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bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Please name some charities Newt donates too. I am not even going into the wife in the hospital deal and what other charities does Romney contribute to other than the Mormons?
RE: Gingrich. Not as impressive as Romney, if one's keeping score. Candidate Obama was at 6% but has upped it to 14% as President.

Biden brings up the rear consistently.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-24/c...

"Jan. 21 (Bloomberg)-- Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and his wife reported giving 2.6 percent of their $3.1 million adjusted gross income to charity in 2010, below the average donation level of taxpayers at their income level, according to Internal Revenue Service data.

The Gingriches reported $81,133 in charitable donations, according to tax documents they released Jan. 19. The sole named benefactor, the Basilica of the National Shrine in Washington, received $9,540, and it paid wife Callista Gingrich $5,918. She is a member of the choir. Another $68,493 in charitable deductions were listed as gifts from Gingrich’s companies to unidentified charities. The rest,$3,100, was labeled miscellaneous donations."

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Dan wrote:
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Here's some info.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-01/r...
Excerpted:
"Jan. 24 (Bloomberg)-- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney donated $7 million to charity in the past two years, more than the $6.2 million the candidate and his wife paid in federal taxes in that period, documents the campaign released show.
Romney and his wife, Ann, who jointly file taxes, gave $1.5 million cash in 2010 and $2.6 million cash in 2011 to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the tax documents show. A former Massachusetts governor whose campaign estimates his fortune at between $190 million and $250 million as co-founder of Boston private-equity firm Bain Capital LLC, Romney is a devout Mormon with deep family ties to the church.
The Romneys donated about 16.4 percent of their adjusted gross income of $42.5 million in the two-year period, according to their 2010 tax returns and an estimate for 2011 taxes. The 2010 return shows $3 million in charitable contributions, and the 2011 estimate shows $4 million."
So, he pays out quite a bit. Lots to the Mormons, but it's still a charitable donation.
You're very nice and I appreciate your posting the information. The only thing that bothers me, and you posted it, is that Romney donates to the Mormons, but not any other charities? He wants to be president of the US but only that charity?

What about Newt? What donations have they made? You see they're not dealing with common Americans who are hurting, yet they want to be president of the US?

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The Mormons need all those donations to fund their fight against civil rights for all.
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Too bad bidens parents didnt believe in birth control
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If there was any way for alter boys to become pregnant, the Bishops would be all for birth control.
That was funny you sic fk( i feel bad cause i was thinken the same thing)
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<quoted text>You're very nice and I appreciate your posting the information. The only thing that bothers me, and you posted it, is that Romney donates to the Mormons, but not any other charities? He wants to be president of the US but only that charity?
What about Newt? What donations have they made? You see they're not dealing with common Americans who are hurting, yet they want to be president of the US?
Read the article.

He donates to a foundation his family runs, not just the Mormons.

I'm not sure that you nor I are in position to qualify someone else's charitble donations, so Romney can give to whomever he pleases.

Gingrich's info follows in a separate post.

FYI, be cautious as to judging Romney or Gingrich on this basis-Candidates Obama and Biden's charitable giving combined accounted for barely more than 1/2 of Romney's 14%.
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bappie wrote:
<quoted text>You're very nice and I appreciate your posting the information. The only thing that bothers me, and you posted it, is that Romney donates to the Mormons, but not any other charities? He wants to be president of the US but only that charity?
What about Newt? What donations have they made? You see they're not dealing with common Americans who are hurting, yet they want to be president of the US?
Correction, although it's somewhat of a nit:

Candidates Obama and Biden together in 2008 donated less that 1/2 of Candidiate Romney's 16% total in 2010.

Only to the point of caution in using that as a ltmus test as you put forth in your ealier post. 4 years ago, your litmus test wouldn't have worked out for you very well.

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