The Senate caves: Compromise reached on government wiretaps

Well not all the democrats "caved," e.g., Kucinich, in his Articles of Impeachment:
"Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens"

Sounds good to me, maybe I'll even read the full texts:
http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoft...

**Too bad BIN LADEN doesn't phone anyone in the U.S. or maybe monkeyboyBUSH would have caught him already. Moron.**

WiseOldWizard wrote:

Once again the democrats caved. Doesn't anyone in Washington believe in the constitution and protecting the citizens of this country? The flush on the citizens of this country gets stronger and larger. I shall remember you all on election day.

Did you read the article? Bush lost on the judicial process for wire taps. The biggest hang up :) regarding the issue. The only thing salvaged was no lawsuits against the telephone companies.

At least the illegal wiretapping garnered two huge criminals in the war on terror.

Elliot Spitzer
William Jefferson

Both democrats. Coincidence, maybe?
Maybe NOT!

x0x0x wrote:

**Too bad BIN LADEN doesn't phone anyone in the U.S. or maybe monkeyboyBUSH would have caught him already. Moron.**

to bad the US military didnt kill OBL back when,,,when we had him and CLINTON ordered them not to!

WiseOldWizard wrote:

Once again the democrats caved. Doesn't anyone in Washington believe in the constitution and protecting the citizens of this country? The flush on the citizens of this country gets stronger and larger. I shall remember you all on election day.

My apologies -- I reread the article -- you are correct -- what bunch of crap.

Rocket Man wrote:

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You're a naive idiot. This is entirely uncessary.
When they start reading YOUR mail and tapping YOUR phone, maybe you'll get a clue.

Its unnecessary to wiretape calls to the middle east and maybe the enemy and im a naive idiot? WHy are you paranoid that Bush is taping your calls?

Cue wrote:

Bush lost on this one.
Judicial intervention is back in effect on all wire taps as it was prior his executive order. Telephone companies who never wire tapped anyone without a court order prior to the GWB constitutional infringement, were between a rock and a hard place regarding wiretaps and lawsuits. Now people that were harmed can sue the government as the proper venue for their claim.
They deserve every dollar.

I take my comment back -- Dems caved in upon reading the article.

Compromising on freedom and rights is like being a little bit pregnant. Where do you draw the line and when does it stop being moved...

I expect this 'baby' is going to be abused before it is repealed.

The Senat should live in a cave!

The phone company has been listening for years!

Billy wrote:

...wonder how other countries deal with this issue?

The citizens say nothing so their families won't be disappeared.

womanspirit wrote:

I am a democrat and am ashamed of this congress - they have no balls whatsoever and I have to question why

I agree - their lack of guts is unforgivable - period.

I need to say something here, first off we need to take a timeout and step back for a minute.

Next it is very simple- any wiretapping is bad, and the technology to wiretap is bad as well.

If the technology exsists, are you going to use it? The answer is probably yes.

For example in Ohio they went to electronic voting- there was no paper trail for the 04 election. Technology is not always good.

Here is the other thing, nobody here is united, you are all against the wiretapping, but then the conversation desends into anti-bush comments followed by bickering between Republicans and Democrats. When you walk into a party, you just hear noise, right. When you walk into a lecture you hear one voice. You want to sound like a lecture and tell your government NO to wiretapping.

Now I am a Canadian and although our government is not perfect and yes needs some work, I feel confident that I am not being spied upon by them.(hopefully)

Cue wrote:

Bush lost on this one.
Judicial intervention is back in effect on all wire taps as it was prior his executive order. Telephone companies who never wire tapped anyone without a court order prior to the GWB constitutional infringement, were between a rock and a hard place regarding wiretaps and lawsuits. Now people that were harmed can sue the government as the proper venue for their claim.
They deserve every dollar.

Bush wins. The U.S. looses. We loose. Where do you think the government gets its money? From us!

The GOP agenda (or should I say the global corporate agenda?) appears to be to create an ineffectual U.S. government through bankruptcy. After all, isn't that how the iron curtain fell? Or was it because of Regan’s sense of humor? I forget. Truth gives me a headache.

Watch this and learn what has really happened.
http://youtube.com/watch...

ATT whistle blower Mark Klein has Proof all American's use for years (of the internet) was vacuumed in whole for the government. Immunity will shut down law suit and stop the truth from coming out.. this is what JUST HAPPENED.


Entire data stream, phone, email, web browsing, all captured by the government of the USA. We were told this was only for international traffic to capture terrorist.. WE THE PEOPLE, WERE LIED TO..!

Mark Klein - AT&T WhistleBlower

http://youtube.com/watch...
now read this and understand This government is going to exchange data on Mexican citizens..AND GIVE DATA TO PRIVATE COMPANIES AS WELL

PROOF:
Mexico to Boost Tapping of Phones and e-Mail with US Aid
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/2...
The system, scheduled to begin operation this month, was paid for by the U.S. State Department and sold by Verint Systems Inc., a politically well-connected firm based in Melville, N.Y., that specializes in electronic surveillance

NOW READ THIS EXCERPT CAREFULLY

the contract specifications say the system is designed to allow both governments to “disseminate timely and accurate, actionable information to each country’s respective federal, state, local,

private and international partners

DOES ANYONE DO RESEARCH HERE? I DID AND HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR YEARS..

sevenhuman wrote:

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Bush wins. The U.S. looses. We loose. Where do you think the government gets its money? From us!
The GOP agenda (or should I say the global corporate agenda?) appears to be to create an ineffectual U.S. government through bankruptcy. After all, isn't that how the iron curtain fell? Or was it because of Regan’s sense of humor? I forget. Truth gives me a headache.

I took back my comment -- post #48

Of course they caved in ... just in time to make it a benefit to the Dem White House that will use it to TYRANNIZE the people. What is this EFFING country is lost to the G.D. Hu Tu 's ... GURLY BOY politics

Learn the_Truth wrote:

Mexico to Boost Tapping of Phones and e-Mail with US Aid
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/2...

Thank you for this. It's been under the radar for the most part. I would encourage people turned off by politically biased portals to go to the original article: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/25/world...

It looks like Mexicans and Americans have more in common that we are encouraged to believe. Divide and conquer.

Cue wrote:

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I took back my comment -- post #48

I like your monkey face.