In America, atheists are still in the closet

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Double Fine wrote:

Yo Buck. Long time no see. Hope you have been well. Let's discuss the seperation of state and church in America, if you don't mind. Thanks

nanoanomaly wrote:

When you lay down with swine you get up soaked in crap.

nanoanomaly wrote:

My own tom doesn't bother her but he tries to molest me when he thinks I'm asleep, the turd.

Buck Crick wrote:

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Have you seen what they do to the definition of "atheism"?
...adopted the definition of agnosticism in order to seem objective.
I covered it in excruciating detail.
...good times.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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You mean that they don't like the ten definitions that I posted in a row as I saw them? and they supplied their own without sources, or skipped over definitions to get to the one they liked? and that KrustyOdor asserted that agnostics were "technically" the same as atheists? and that surveys counted agnostics as Christians?
Funny... if I said the exact same thing (that they were the same)- I'd never hear the end of it.

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barefoot2626 wrote:

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Ah, as 'he' gets in the USA, a secular country, where not only is religious instruction not available, it is banned... as opposed to countries like the UK where collective worship is required by law.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Public schools, honey.
Do pay attention.
In American, you can get as much religious instruction as you want to swallow and as we know: swallowing is what you do best.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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I wouldn't know. I am out of the loop, and not too involved in earthly matters anyway at the moment. Right now, I'm waiting for a cloud to roll away from the sun to look at Venus transiting it. I've got my old timey photo negatives four layers thick ready for viewing.
Mexico, where I live, has a relatively religious population, but an EXTREMELY anti-clerical constitution, with articles aimed specifically at the church. The chrch had been allied with a harsh dictator, Diaz, at the time of the Mexican revolution, and the Mexican people were pretty pissed. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicis... :
"Álvaro Obregón and the Constitutionalists eventually took active measures to reduce the profound influence of the Catholic Church. On May 19, 1914, Obregón's forces sentenced Bishop Andres Segura and other clerical officials to jail for eight years because of their participation in a revolt. While Obregón was in control of Mexico City during February 1915, he ordered the Church to pay 500,000 pesos to alleviate the suffering of poor Mexicans.
"Venustiano Carranza assumed the presidency on May 1, 1915. Carranza and his followers felt that the clergy was turning people against him by spreading propaganda. Soon after Carranaza took total control of Mexico and developed a new Constitution with the intention of diminishing the Church’s political sway and power within Mexico.
"Anti-clerical elements were included in 1917 Mexican Constitution. Five elements in the Constitution were aimed at reducing the Catholic Church’s influence in Mexican domestic affairs. Article 3 enforced secular education in Mexican schools. Monastic vows and orders were outlawed in Article 5. Article 24 prevented public worship outside the confines of the Church buildings. According to article 27, religious institutions were denied the right to acquire, hold, or administer real property. Furthermore, all real estate held by religious institutions through third parties like hospitals, schools, was declared national property. Finally in article 130, it declared all basic civil responsibilities like voting or commenting on public affairs was taken away from Church officials. The Mexican government was extremely harsh in their attempt to eliminate the Catholic Church’s legal existence in Mexico. The stern premises of the 1917 Constitution contributed to the rise of resentment between the church and state."
That's what I'm talking about! The priests and nuns aren't even allowed on the streets in penguin gear.
BTW, the streets of most Mexican pueblos are named after these heroes. I live on Venustiano Carranza, a few blocks from Álvaro Obregón. And such streets are in just about every town.

barefoot2626 wrote:

<quoted text>You mean that they don't like the ten definitions that I posted in a row as I saw them? and they supplied their own without sources, or skipped over definitions to get to the one they liked? and that KrustyOdor asserted that agnostics were "technically" the same as atheists? and that surveys counted agnostics as Christians?

Funny... if I said the exact same thing (that they were the same)- I'd never hear the end of it.

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JEB wrote:

You
enjoy
the
word
"I"

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Public schools, honey.
Do pay attention.
In American, you can get as much religious instruction as you want to swallow

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>You neglected to say anything about "public schools".

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nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Funny, that's how I typed it originally and then went back and changed it to lay. I kinda have "laid" on the brain today.
XD

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Amusingly, Obregon was of Irish extraction.
The original name was "O'Brien".

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barefoot2626 wrote:

<quoted text>Public schools, honey.

Do pay attention.

In American, you can get as much religious instruction as you want to swallow and as we know: swallowing is what you do best.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

<quoted text>I wouldn't know. I am out of the loop, and not too involved in earthly matters anyway at the moment. Right now, I'm waiting for a cloud to roll away from the sun to look at Venus transiting it. I've got my old timey photo negatives four layers thick ready for viewing.

Mexico, where I live, has a relatively religious population, but an EXTREMELY anti-clerical constitution, with articles aimed specifically at the church. The chrch had been allied with a harsh dictator, Diaz, at the time of the Mexican revolution, and the Mexican people were pretty pissed. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicis... :

"�lvaro Obregón and the Constitutionalists eventually took active measures to reduce the profound influence of the Catholic Church. On May 19, 1914, Obregón's forces sentenced Bishop Andres Segura and other clerical officials to jail for eight years because of their participation in a revolt. While Obregón was in control of Mexico City during February 1915, he ordered the Church to pay 500,000 pesos to alleviate the suffering of poor Mexicans.

"Venustiano Carranza assumed the presidency on May 1, 1915. Carranza and his followers felt that the clergy was turning people against him by spreading propaganda. Soon after Carranaza took total control of Mexico and developed a new Constitution with the intention of diminishing the ChurchÂ’s political sway and power within Mexico.

"Anti-clerical elements were included in 1917 Mexican Constitution. Five elements in the Constitution were aimed at reducing the Catholic ChurchÂ’s influence in Mexican domestic affairs. Article 3 enforced secular education in Mexican schools. Monastic vows and orders were outlawed in Article 5. Article 24 prevented public worship outside the confines of the Church buildings. According to article 27, religious institutions were denied the right to acquire, hold, or administer real property. Furthermore, all real estate held by religious institutions through third parties like hospitals, schools, was declared national property. Finally in article 130, it declared all basic civil responsibilities like voting or commenting on public affairs was taken away from Church officials. The Mexican government was extremely harsh in their attempt to eliminate the Catholic ChurchÂ’s legal existence in Mexico. The stern premises of the 1917 Constitution contributed to the rise of resentment between the church and state."

That's what I'm talking about! The priests and nuns aren't even allowed on the streets in penguin gear.

BTW, the streets of most Mexican pueblos are named after these heroes. I live on Venustiano Carranza, a few blocks from �lvaro Obregón. And such streets are in just about every town.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

<quoted text>I wouldn't know. I am out of the loop, and not too involved in earthly matters anyway at the moment. Right now, I'm waiting for a cloud to roll away from the sun to look at Venus transiting it. I've got my old timey photo negatives four layers thick ready for viewing.

Mexico, where I live, has a relatively religious population, but an EXTREMELY anti-clerical constitution, with articles aimed specifically at the church. The chrch had been allied with a harsh dictator, Diaz, at the time of the Mexican revolution, and the Mexican people were pretty pissed. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicis... :

"�lvaro Obregón and the Constitutionalists eventually took active measures to reduce the profound influence of the Catholic Church. On May 19, 1914, Obregón's forces sentenced Bishop Andres Segura and other clerical officials to jail for eight years because of their participation in a revolt. While Obregón was in control of Mexico City during February 1915, he ordered the Church to pay 500,000 pesos to alleviate the suffering of poor Mexicans.

"Venustiano Carranza assumed the presidency on May 1, 1915. Carranza and his followers felt that the clergy was turning people against him by spreading propaganda. Soon after Carranaza took total control of Mexico and developed a new Constitution with the intention of diminishing the ChurchÂ’s political sway and power within Mexico.

"Anti-clerical elements were included in 1917 Mexican Constitution. Five elements in the Constitution were aimed at reducing the Catholic ChurchÂ’s influence in Mexican domestic affairs. Article 3 enforced secular education in Mexican schools. Monastic vows and orders were outlawed in Article 5. Article 24 prevented public worship outside the confines of the Church buildings. According to article 27, religious institutions were denied the right to acquire, hold, or administer real property. Furthermore, all real estate held by religious institutions through third parties like hospitals, schools, was declared national property. Finally in article 130, it declared all basic civil responsibilities like voting or commenting on public affairs was taken away from Church officials. The Mexican government was extremely harsh in their attempt to eliminate the Catholic ChurchÂ’s legal existence in Mexico. The stern premises of the 1917 Constitution contributed to the rise of resentment between the church and state."

That's what I'm talking about! The priests and nuns aren't even allowed on the streets in penguin gear.

BTW, the streets of most Mexican pueblos are named after these heroes. I live on Venustiano Carranza, a few blocks from �lvaro Obregón. And such streets are in just about every town.

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>You neglected to say anything about "public schools".

In other words, you're wrong.

You pay attention.

True Truth wrote:

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Haha! Well you may be highly experienced with martian language, but not I.

And yeah, well tell the older generations to "google" something, and either they'll be confused, or look at you as if you're stupid.

There is a saying that the only thing natural, is change. While I quite like change, I am somewhat concerned at our pace. We are changing faster than ever because technology is progressing faster than ever. I watch a lot of documentaries, and the technology they show today can have really massive society-changing consequences if rolled out commercially. But whether we worry about it, or want it to happen, it's coming whether we are prepared or not for it.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Talk To The Hand Phaggit.