In America, atheists are still in the closet

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-Skeptic- wrote:

Funny to see Skombolis being kicked intellectually from so many angles.
That's what happens when you talk bullsh*t to athiests.

Buck Crick wrote:

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My statements are all factual and true.
I can't help it if people don't like those facts. If I could erase it from history, I would.
Still no evidence for Beck's messages of hate.

Buck Crick wrote:

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I have written the same thing.
I disagree that it does little to support my views. I am a supporter of ID, and can be accused of a bias. The views supplied are from Darwinist, non-supporters of ID, in mainstream science and media. They are true skeptics, and they agree with what I have written.
You might want to brush up on how evidence is evaluated, Counselor.
I make a formidable case that the castigation of ID as creationism is a sham.

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barefoot2626 wrote:

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c/s/m/f/g/d.

Catcher1 wrote:

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Substantially more than there is for the existence of gods.

Catcher1 wrote:

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Beats me.
I see so damn clearly that ID is a total sham.
Transparent.
Unworthy of serious discussion.
I don't castigate, I dismiss summarily.

Buck Crick wrote:

<quoted text>That is a cute tale. But the search could have been simplified if Forest had read the Kitzmiller transcript, where Charles Thaxton explained the rewrite. Mystery solved.

It might be of interest to you and Forest if you dug a bit deeper in the original draft to see that it already avoided Edwards v. Aguillard in stating that intelligent design postulated no supernatural creator, which was the prohibition ruled in Edwards. Again, that's the original draft.

This suggests the editing was for substance, not legality.

But it's still a cute story.

Buck Crick wrote:

<quoted text>The only president eligible for prosecution was Clinton. He was adjudicated to have committed a felony while in office.

Nixon got a legal pardon. Reagan was never found to have comitted anything except policy liberals didn't like. And the idea of prosecuting Bush is a joke.

I would have been for impeaching Bush over letting the two border guards be sent to prison for shooting the beaner dope-smuggler in the ass.

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>There have been more wars caused by greed than by Jesus belief. Maybe you would also like to condemn people who love money?

Polish Champion wrote:

Aint you getting tired of getting yourx ass kicked all the time boy? Fu
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It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Pretty good attitude here. You're keeping it much more nonpersonal. You called the comment a lie rather than the poster a liar - big improvement!
I hope you don't feel patronized. If your failures deserve public rebuke, your successes deserve public approbation.

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Substantially more than there is for the existence of gods.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Thanks.
Yeah, I hadn't seen this junk DNA issue before I saw it on this thread recently. A couple of the theists reported that mainstream science had been humiliated by the ID researchers by showing that junk DNA had function. It turned out they were referring to some examples of DNA previously thought to be nonfunctional that were later shown to have function. And somehow, this is being peddled through the echo chamber as a feather in the ID cap.
Obviously, the argument depends on showing that ALL DNA is functional, which hasn't been done, which makes the whole mess kind of stink to me - "grasping at straws" as you say, but more, and worse. I don't approve of the spirit of such a choice. Dishonesty is a deal killer in any sales pitch.
For the skeptic, what's interesting and useful is to see the evolution of another apologetics meme. Like flagella and 747s, expect ti see the phrase "junk DNA" over and over again. You get the distinct impression that somebody conceived of this as a persuasive meme and disseminated to the foot soldiers like the theists posting it here, who serve as its vector.
As best I can tell, this is the baby of Jonathon Wells, who wrote a The Myth Of Junk DNA" http://www.mythofjunkdna.com/ . Not surprisingly, Wells is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute http://www.discovery.org/p/41 which is a think tank dedicated to propagating certain Christian themes, at least according the them and their Wedge Document. From Wiki:
"The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document, which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."
You get the impression that Christians fund think tanks with political agendas, which leads to the generation and dissemination of propaganda through various media, a phenomenon I considered recently at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE... :
"I don't mean the typical Topix poster, who is merely a vector for the propaganda, thinks such things. I mean the people who are the sources of these memes - the think tanks and policy centers where such strategies are planned and executed, and from which come the various white papers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_paper and policy statements, like the infamous Wedge Strategy.
"These eventually become popular books among Christians, radio talking points, web sites, and the like. There is no huge group discussion, nor a vote. The vector just gets the message, not the reasons behind it, and cannot tell us any of the reasons he is parroting the inculcated meme."
This junk DNA thing is obviously just the latest flush from the Discovery Institue into the general culture. Thanks, DI!

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#%!@ing link

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No one can prove anything...

It aint necessarily so wrote:

Presidents are above the law now.
Yes, it did. Nixon should have been prosecuted. We were told that America didn't have the stomach for it, that it was too tired and had been through too much. Poor America!

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lightbeamrider wrote:

<quoted text> As i recall many did have the stomach for it.
Nixon put an end to Vietnam.
The draft was stopped under Nixon and has so remained to this day.
Nixon enacted the Civil Rights Act of 1957. A voting rights act. The first civil rights legislation enacted by congreee...since reconstruction following the Civil War. Strom Thurmond, a Democrat opposed and conducted the longest filibuster by a lone Senator.
Nixon also established the Environmental Protection Agency. There is no reason to assume he resigned in disgrace. Nixon got me home early, maybe saved my life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>"Assumption" is not evidence.

Prove there was no Prime Mover.

Polish Champion wrote:

<quoted text>Aint you getting tired of getting yourx ass kicked all the time boy? Fu

Buck Crick wrote:

<quoted text>Who said I like Beck?

Did you read it in the smoke from your bong?

Can you try to get one thing right?