Hearing for children at polygamist retreat grinds to a halt

estauto14 wrote:

It would seem that there are many, too many, people in this forum that are jumping to hasty conclusions. Why not just be patient until the judge admits the case in court - I sure hope that the judge is not a woman - perish the thought.

Carol wrote:

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Why are you and Bob concerned MORE about the rights of the parents of these children then the children themselves.
This is incomprehensible to me - please explain.

Tooth4U wrote:

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and you sir are another I GOTCHA! See.....there they are! Those people......... ewwwwwww....yeah Hang em......hang em till they dry.
You have over 100,000 registered sex offenders minimum running around the streets of america of which over half are off the radar. Those are the ones they know about. Why does 'your' goverment allow them to walk about in society with only a picture on a web site, most having no clue as to thier whereabouts? Is that goverment inept? Which should you be concerned with... a few who may have due to religious convictions broken the law, or the 50 thousand plus roaming the streets you have no clue about??
Conspiracy? lol Waco. The ATF was coming up for renewed funding before congress in weeks. They had to show they were doing thier stuff..to ensure that funding went thru. They had publicity booths all set up......ready for the take down and raid. They invited the media. yada yada... and could have taken Koresh weeks before on a number of occasions when he went to town. Nooooooo......they have to have a spectacle. And the result was? OVer 23 children under 10 yrs old burned alive.
What part of wake up dont your understand?

Carol wrote:

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There is a problem with that in this case Bob.
The children do not know who their biological parents are.

Carol wrote:

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There is a problem with that in this case Bob.
The children do not know who their biological parents are.

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Bob wrote:

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last time go back and red all my posts and dont make assumptions on only a few posts

Geno56 wrote:

<quoted text>O.K. Lets see here I haven't smoked a joint since college and I do believe they are getting due process here as the matter is in court. No one has been arrested and thrown in jail,(YET) No one has been accused of anything. All that is happening here is a disscusion about Young girls being taught and incouraged and Possibly brainwashed into marring much older men. And they are not even legal amrriages so it is an issue of statatory rape, A crime! And if you say thats not in evidence then where did all the babies come from! Rant and rave all you want because your simply just another anti government conspericy theroist whose paronia has run wild. You know "the sky is falling" type!

Geno56 wrote:

OK in the interest of trying to understand, let me see if I've got it. The issue that has you all upset is you all feel that we are losing our rights. That the government is using this and other things as an atempt to take away our civil liberties, Am I right so far? So Ruby ridge,( selling illegal sawed off shotguns) Waco, Stockpilling numerous automatic weapons, explosives etc. etc.) were terrible wrongs perputrated by an overzealous government bent on the destruction of your rights. Am I right so far? Let me ask you people this. To what aim is this grand conspericy of our government being perputrated. Were Clinton and Bush in this together? You seem to say that. So, if I am right then your hereos are Timothy Mcveigh, Norman Olson, "pastor" Joe Johnson, among others and Besides the bible, and the Bill of rights your favorite book is the Turner diaries. Am I right?

estauto14 wrote:

It would seem that there are many, too many, people in this forum that are jumping to hasty conclusions. Why not just be patient until the judge admits the case in court - I sure hope that the judge is not a woman - perish the thought.

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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Binah, we don't know that any of the men have committed any crime. We know that crimes have been committed, because of the underage mothers and pregnant girls found at the FLDS compound. These women and girls would not give interviewers information about who was related to whom or the paternity of the children involved. The DNA has been taken and must be analyzed to identify the fathers of the children of underage mothers. That will show which men have committed crimes. It is possible that some of the mothers of the underage pregnant girls or mothers will be charged as accessories.
The welfare fraud is another issue that will be taken up in another court.

Geno56 wrote:

OK in the interest of trying to understand, let me see if I've got it. The issue that has you all upset is you all feel that we are losing our rights. That the government is using this and other things as an atempt to take away our civil liberties, Am I right so far? So Ruby ridge,( selling illegal sawed off shotguns) Waco, Stockpilling numerous automatic weapons, explosives etc. etc.) were terrible wrongs perputrated by an overzealous government bent on the destruction of your rights. Am I right so far? Let me ask you people this. To what aim is this grand conspericy of our government being perputrated. Were Clinton and Bush in this together? You seem to say that. So, if I am right then your hereos are Timothy Mcveigh, Norman Olson, "pastor" Joe Johnson, among others and Besides the bible, and the Bill of rights your favorite book is the Turner diaries. Am I right?

Carol wrote:

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The fact that you see it necessary to defend property owners and religions as opposed to children is unthinkable.

Geno56 wrote:

<quoted text>Bob, Bob, Bob go back and read. That analagy isn't even close to having any relavence

Carol wrote:

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You have been ranting and raving about property in ALL your posts - who you chucking and jiving here?

Someone who cares wrote:

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If you don't smoke pot, then why do you place such nonsense as your logo? I totally understand it's really none of my business, but do you see the impression it gives?
Just because the matter is in court does not mean they are receiving due process.This type of proceeding is supposed to be strictly confidential because it involves minors. But it is anything but confidential with all the media frenzy surrounding it.And this is being allowed precisely because of the damage it will do for the people to get a fair trial when they are eventually criminally prosecuted. Again, I do not condone child abuse of any kind and if there are crimes committed, they must be prosecuted. However, there must be proper order in how law enforcement and the judicial system handles this case.When things are done in proper order, it protects all of us. The state has stirred up the hornet's nest and now they are so overwhelmed by the sheer number of children they don't know what to do.I will be very interested, but not surprised, to see where this will all go.
And hopefully, when the sky does eventually fall as it is slowly but surely, hopefully you won't be buried. Open your eyes.

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Bob wrote:

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what about adopted children that don't know who their biological parents are and that is not a crime

Someone who cares wrote:

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I have had enough of this. You will never understand what I am trying to convey and we will never see eye to eye on this. I am tired of trying to explain something that some people will never understand.
So, no bad feelings. You have a good life, I wish you well.