Hearing for children at polygamist retreat grinds to a halt

They DO need to have the news in their favor - I think anyone who's been treated like they are being treated needs people on their side.

A prickish attitude ? oh yeah jeez I see that in them (bwahahaha)- just look at their accomplishments and then look at the inner cities of America.

Let's see - teen girls preggie on both sides,
(and don't say they are by old men - cause you can't prove that yet)

dirty filthy surroundings on one side (knocked up by irresponsible jerks)

don't believe all you read and see - admit you have a dislike for them because of their beliefs and lifestyle - so you would rather exterminate them...pfffffft

Apparently the adults that did the work have fled to avoid prosecution. Or did the children do all the work before?

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/...

It's pathetic the treatment these people are receiving by those who claim to care...more like holier-than-thou's who don't have a clue what it means to be care givers or real Christians. The stories are starting to come out of the disgusting treatment the women and children have received at the hands of Texans. I wonder how Jesus would have them be treated?

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9238520
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Caregivers blast Texas' treatment of polygamous sect's women, children

Children living in crowded quarters that led to upper respiratory illnesses. Youngsters plagued with diarrhea from unhealthy foods they usually did not eat. Distressed mothers enduring widespread rudeness - such as flashlights shined in their faces as they tried to sleep.
Mental health professionals who helped care for FLDS women and children in the weeks after an April raid on the YFZ Ranch describe conditions and treatment they perceived as harsh and unnecessary.
"Never in all my life, and I am one of the older ladies, have I been so ashamed of being a Texan and seeing what and how our government agencies treat people," wrote one
employee of Hill Country Community Mental Health and Mental
unsigned statement.
Texas contracts with Hill Country to provide mental health services during disasters. Staff members met with the center's board of trustees last week, leaving them "spellbound." The board has gathered nine written statements critical of Child Protective Services.
Chairman John Kight said he wants state legislators and the governor to hear the employees' stories. "You have damaged these children for their lives," he said. "This is an agency that looks like it's gone out of control." A Texas CPS spokesman acknowledged the allegations were "very serious" and said they are being investigated. But he noted the women and children were held at a historic fort and a convention center in San Angelo in an unusual emergency situation.
"It was as comfortable as possible under the circumstances," said Patrick Crimmins. "But you have to remember it was a shelter, it was temporary arrangement until we could arrange for foster care for the children."
The raid was triggered by a claim of abuse at the ranch, home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a polygamous sect traditionally based on the Utah-Arizona border. A baby born today brought the total of children in state custody to 465.

(continued)

Not all Texas CPS employees were criticized by the Hill Country employees. One young man was described as sitting for two hours comforting a toddler separated from his mother. The Texas Rangers were "respectful and polite," according to another statement.
But the statements focus on the Hill Country staffers' dismay at uncaring behavior they say they witnessed by CPS employees.
A boy estimated at age 3 walked along a row of cots asking for someone to rock him after he was separated from his mother, one employee wrote. Two CPS worker trailed the youngster taking notes but not helping him. His brother, age 8, eventually took the child into his arms and sat with him in a rocking chair.
"That little boy will always be in my mind," the employee wrote. "How can a beautiful, healthy child be taken from a healthy, loving home and forced into a situation like that, right here in America, right here in Texas?"
Mothers who initially were allowed to stay with their children were later required to leave if their child was older than 12 months. Describing that day, one employee wrote, "the floor was literally slick with tears in places."
After the separation, a baby was allegedly left in a stroller with no food and water for 24 hours and ended up in a hospital, according to another statement.
"We don't believe that's the case, but we're checking into that," Crimmins said.
Several of the employees stated they do not condone polygamy or the alleged abusive treatment of children. But, they added, the FLDS mothers were not silent or hostile, as CPS had warned they would be. Instead, they were polite, focused on caring for the children, and willing to establish relationships, the mental health workers said.
Several writers claimed CPS workers repeatedly lied to the mothers regarding where they were going to be moved to and other issues.
Crimmins said he disputed that. The state has asserted the FLDS mothers were uncooperative with authorities, such as providing inaccurate or changing information about names and ages.
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Hannah Rebekah wrote:

(continued)
Not all Texas CPS employees were criticized by the Hill Country employees. One young man was described as sitting for two hours comforting a toddler separated from his mother. The Texas Rangers were "respectful and polite," according to another statement.
But the statements focus on the Hill Country staffers' dismay at uncaring behavior they say they witnessed by CPS employees.
A boy estimated at age 3 walked along a row of cots asking for someone to rock him after he was separated from his mother, one employee wrote. Two CPS worker trailed the youngster taking notes but not helping him. His brother, age 8, eventually took the child into his arms and sat with him in a rocking chair.
"That little boy will always be in my mind," the employee wrote. "How can a beautiful, healthy child be taken from a healthy, loving home and forced into a situation like that, right here in America, right here in Texas?"
Mothers who initially were allowed to stay with their children were later required to leave if their child was older than 12 months. Describing that day, one employee wrote, "the floor was literally slick with tears in places."
After the separation, a baby was allegedly left in a stroller with no food and water for 24 hours and ended up in a hospital, according to another statement.
"We don't believe that's the case, but we're checking into that," Crimmins said.
Several of the employees stated they do not condone polygamy or the alleged abusive treatment of children. But, they added, the FLDS mothers were not silent or hostile, as CPS had warned they would be. Instead, they were polite, focused on caring for the children, and willing to establish relationships, the mental health workers said.
Several writers claimed CPS workers repeatedly lied to the mothers regarding where they were going to be moved to and other issues.
Crimmins said he disputed that. The state has asserted the FLDS mothers were uncooperative with authorities, such as providing inaccurate or changing information about names and ages.
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How sad, the 3 year old must have been so scared, and the baby, what a shame. They need to get more caring people to be in charge of this situation. Children should not feel lonely or abadoned and I am sure thats how the 3 year old felt...I have a 3 year old little boy.

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

(continued)
Not all Texas CPS employees were criticized by the Hill Country employees. One young man was described as sitting for two hours comforting a toddler separated from his mother. The Texas Rangers were "respectful and polite," according to another statement.
But the statements focus on the Hill Country staffers' dismay at uncaring behavior they say they witnessed by CPS employees.
A boy estimated at age 3 walked along a row of cots asking for someone to rock him after he was separated from his mother, one employee wrote. Two CPS worker trailed the youngster taking notes but not helping him. His brother, age 8, eventually took the child into his arms and sat with him in a rocking chair.
"That little boy will always be in my mind," the employee wrote. "How can a beautiful, healthy child be taken from a healthy, loving home and forced into a situation like that, right here in America, right here in Texas?"
Mothers who initially were allowed to stay with their children were later required to leave if their child was older than 12 months. Describing that day, one employee wrote, "the floor was literally slick with tears in places."
After the separation, a baby was allegedly left in a stroller with no food and water for 24 hours and ended up in a hospital, according to another statement.
"We don't believe that's the case, but we're checking into that," Crimmins said.
Several of the employees stated they do not condone polygamy or the alleged abusive treatment of children. But, they added, the FLDS mothers were not silent or hostile, as CPS had warned they would be. Instead, they were polite, focused on caring for the children, and willing to establish relationships, the mental health workers said.
Several writers claimed CPS workers repeatedly lied to the mothers regarding where they were going to be moved to and other issues.
Crimmins said he disputed that. The state has asserted the FLDS mothers were uncooperative with authorities, such as providing inaccurate or changing information about names and ages.
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D*mn them to F'n H*ll for their actions.

Howie in Holland wrote:

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D*mn them to F'n H*ll for their actions.

Well, damning them to hell is a little harsh, fire them , that would be more along the lines of what they deserve.

But if a mother is reassigned with an hours notice its better - right?

Howie in Holland wrote:

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D*mn them to F'n H*ll for their actions.

Careful careful...

Here its a matter of children's welbeing, so they claim, but the complaints are unsigned?

"The floor was literally slick with tears..."
Here are links to letters written by staff members from the Hill Country Community Mental Health-Mental Retardation Center, which provided assistance to FLDS women and children in San Angelo shelters in April. They are critical of conditions in the shelters and how child welfare workers treated the women and children.
# "This was a travesty."
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/s...

(There are 11 copies of letters by staff members that I hope all will use the links to read and comment about, these letters are very sad and paint a true picture of what these mothers and children have had to endure so far. It is a sad day in America when U.S. Citizens are treated this way.)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/13/child.dom...

talk about terrible

I think taking the children away from their parents was the best thing to do. I read the book by Ms. Jessop . I think the CPS people will take care of the children better than the parents. Lettinjg the children stay with their mothers is a travesty for the children. Many of the children have been abused by other sister wives , even babies. I think the best thing for the children is get them far, far away from their so called parents and give them a home with loving adoptive parents who will take care of them a whole lot better, In fact I would send the children to Boys town where they do a very good job raising displaced children..

She's 20 now so that was 8 yrs ago.. I wonder what her profession is now that shes an adult..

onlymm wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/ 05/13/child.dominatrix.ap/inde x.html
talk about terrible

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

"The floor was literally slick with tears..."
Here are links to letters written by staff members from the Hill Country Community Mental Health-Mental Retardation Center, which provided assistance to FLDS women and children in San Angelo shelters in April. They are critical of conditions in the shelters and how child welfare workers treated the women and children.
# "This was a travesty."
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/s...
(There are 11 copies of letters by staff members that I hope all will use the links to read and comment about, these letters are very sad and paint a true picture of what these mothers and children have had to endure so far. It is a sad day in America when U.S. Citizens are treated this way.)

Wow, I guess you want the children to go back to being sexually abused and abused by other mothers. I cannot be sad for the mothers, i think they are evil. How could a good mother let another mother hit her baby because she is crying too much or maybe because the other mother is sleeping too much with the husband and she is jealuse. these mothers are sick in the head and need alot of help, like being deprogramed .

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

"The floor was literally slick with tears..."
Here are links to letters written by staff members from the Hill Country Community Mental Health-Mental Retardation Center, which provided assistance to FLDS women and children in San Angelo shelters in April. They are critical of conditions in the shelters and how child welfare workers treated the women and children.
# "This was a travesty."
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/s...
(There are 11 copies of letters by staff members that I hope all will use the links to read and comment about, these letters are very sad and paint a true picture of what these mothers and children have had to endure so far. It is a sad day in America when U.S. Citizens are treated this way.)

FIRST OF ALL HANNAH REBEKAH I THINK YOU NEED TO COME TO TERM'S WITH THE FACT THAT IF YOU BELONG TO THE FDLS OR LDS (THERE THE SAME THING!!!) YOU ARE THE FURTHEST THING FROM A CHRISTIAN!
It is going to be a rude awakaning at judgement day for all of these people who have been brain washed by Bringham Young, Joseph Smith, and all the other Idiots who created this man made religion that unfortunatly was a spin off of the true word of God The Holy Bible. I hope all the Mormon's out there take note: Jesus is coming back and He is pssed!!!!!!!
Maybe the mormons should look that man made phrase up in there Book of B.S.

hey you wrote:

I think taking the children away from their parents was the best thing to do. I read the book by Ms. Jessop . I think the CPS people will take care of the children better than the parents. Lettinjg the children stay with their mothers is a travesty for the children. Many of the children have been abused by other sister wives , even babies. I think the best thing for the children is get them far, far away from their so called parents and give them a home with loving adoptive parents who will take care of them a whole lot better, In fact I would send the children to Boys town where they do a very good job raising displaced children..

I haven't read any of the ex-FLDS books but I have some questions, and I think you will catch my drift...at least I hope you do.
Would you say that Jessop's experience is the norm for ALL FLDS homes? If what she said is true could there still be FLDS homes where there are loving husbands who respect their wives and children and where the family members get along fairly well and where they have not broken any laws?

Should I believe what ALL ex-Christians say about Christians? And should I believe that all Christians are like how they are portrayed by Ex-Christians?
http://exchristian.net/testimonies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism...
Quotes from ex-Christians
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Another link to letters written by staff members from the Hill Country Community Mental Health-Mental Retardation Center, which provided assistance to FLDS women and children in San Angelo shelters in April. They are critical of conditions in the shelters and how child welfare workers treated the women and children.

# "This situation was a tragedy."
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/s...

Ava Mae Lewis wrote:

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Careful careful...
Here its a matter of children's welbeing, so they claim, but the complaints are unsigned?

Just like the original warrant was unsigned by the person making the allegations...the bogus allegations.

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

<quoted text>
I haven't read any of the ex-FLDS books but I have some questions, and I think you will catch my drift...at least I hope you do.
Would you say that Jessop's experience is the norm for ALL FLDS homes? If what she said is true could there still be FLDS homes where there are loving husbands who respect their wives and children and where the family members get along fairly well and where they have not broken any laws?
Should I believe what ALL ex-Christians say about Christians? And should I believe that all Christians are like how they are portrayed by Ex-Christians?
http://exchristian.net/testimonies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism...
Quotes from ex-Christians
http://www.topix.net/forum/post/reply
http://www.google.com/search...
Debunking Christianity
This Blog has been created for the purpose of debunking Evangelical Christianity. We are ex-Christians, ex-ministers, and even ex-apologists for the Christian faith. We are now freethinkers, skeptics, agnostics, and atheists. With the diversity of our combined strengths we seek to debunk Christianity.
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From what I saw on interviews and seeing other former flds members talk about horror stories, I do believe it is the norm. Anyway polygomy is breaking a commandment. So it is a false religion, which means it is of the Evil One, Lucifer, the great deceiver. Every time the husband sleeps with another wife he is committing adultery, so is the other wives. Think about this. Anyway any religion that teaches that a man will be a god in heaven and can be the only one to give his wife permission to enter heaven is of a false religion and is breaking the first commandment. The flds is a cult.

llw wrote:

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FIRST OF ALL HANNAH REBEKAH I THINK YOU NEED TO COME TO TERM'S WITH THE FACT THAT IF YOU BELONG TO THE FDLS OR LDS (THERE THE SAME THING!!!) YOU ARE THE FURTHEST THING FROM A CHRISTIAN!
It is going to be a rude awakaning at judgement day for all of these people who have been brain washed by Bringham Young, Joseph Smith, and all the other Idiots who created this man made religion that unfortunatly was a spin off of the true word of God The Holy Bible. I hope all the Mormon's out there take note: Jesus is coming back and He is pssed!!!!!!!
Maybe the mormons should look that man made phrase up in there Book of B.S.

Let me ask you this seeing that the Bible sais not to follow another Gospel Would not the fact that Modern "Traditional" CHristinas reject the teachings of the Early Church Fathers such as theosis not make modern "Traditional" Christians followers of another Gospel?