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#84487 Jun 11, 2012
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84488 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Even to work at the Navy Ship Yard in Pearl Harbor, the August 2008 version of the,“Unified Facilities Guide Specifications,” section 1.5.22.2 allows for a total of 18 different means to verify US citizenship, ranging from a military ID card to even a “Hawaii certificate of foreign birth.” The “Certification of Live Birth” is not on the list of approved documents acceptable for proof of Citizenship.
Although some vetting took place in summer 2008 after Barrack Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth,” most media outlets and online bloggers failed to explore the unique aspects and varieties of Hawaiian “birth certificates.” Unfortunately, the birth certificate issue may cause a Constitutional crisis if Obama is determined to be other than a “Natural Born Citizen,” as Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution requires.
http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/search...
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but this is 2012, and President Obama's Hawaiian birth has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

The State of Hawaii has twice issued official certifications of the facts of his Hawaiian birth pursuant to state law (§338-14.3), birfoon myths, lore, and fantasies notwithstanding.
commenter2001 wrote:
<quoted text>
We HAVE proved you wrong time and time again.
EVERY SINGLE concrete piece of evidence says President Obama was born in Hawaii.
From birth certificates, birth announcements, written testimony of Govt. officials, the INS records of BOTH President Obama's father and his stepfather even the Annual report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service shows athere was only ONE alien and NO US citizens that arrived in the US from Kenya in the year ended June 30, 1962.
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim196 ...
All you nutters have is he-said-she-said and most of those people corrected their errors.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#84489 Jun 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Just sayin' says some of the Sheriff's lawyers have been disbarred. He knows it's untrue, it's a Rogue kind of fabrication, but it was mostly aimed at nervous birthers, Terri, who hang onto every word.
I believe he’s referring to Andrew Thomas.

A judge has ruled that the remaining lawsuits against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and ex-county Attorney Andrew Thomas and their deputies will go to trial between May and December of 2013.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/06/04/tri...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84490 Jun 11, 2012
Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That's it right there.(Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.
The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
waco1954

United States

#84494 Jun 11, 2012
As a Texas resident...born and bred...from the reddest state of all...and a republican...even I have sense enough to know...that Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii...get a life you birther freaks.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84495 Jun 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but this is 2012, and President Obama's Hawaiian birth has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The State of Hawaii has twice issued official certifications of the facts of his Hawaiian birth pursuant to state law (§338-14.3), birfoon myths, lore, and fantasies notwithstanding.
<quoted text>
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”(emphasis added)

Additionally, the “Certification of Live Birth” is not recognized by many Federal agencies.
Jacques Ottawa

Thornhill, Canada

#84496 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
This one is for the SKANK.
Did this woman commit FRAUD?
A woman who was given a $2.1million tax refund after filing a false claim went on a massive spending spree until she was caught.
Yes she did!
According to the probable cause statement, Reyes spent $13,000 in Marion County over two days in February,$26,000 in March and more than $35,000 in April.
The statement says the fraud was discovered May 7 by the issuer of the debit card after Reyes reported a 'second card' as lost or stolen.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21572...
Now will they charge her with violating Federal Statutes, State Statutes, or both?
Since it was a fraud committed against the Federal Government, I think she will be charged Federally.
What do you say, SKANK?
I have no idea who the skank is, so I'll answer you. It's all Obama's fault, period. Can no one stop him?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84497 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
How can Hawaii DOH verify the information on a document that does not contain a raised visible embossed seal of authentication making it an official State of Hawaii issued document?
They can't!
They did not issue that document to Obama.
RU nuts?

[§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy.

Got a clue of what "in lieu of a certified copy" means?

That's the whole point, birfoon. Even if the document is not a certified document, DOH can certify the information contained therein and that the information matches the original vital record.

Duh!

Verified: Born in Hawaii at Kapiolani on August 4, 1961. Delivering physician, David A. Sinclair, M.D.

Sucks to be a birfoon.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry BirfoonLady, the details of his birth record were certified by Hawaii DOH.
Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani. Registered August 8. Can't be a late registration or a certificate of Hawaiian birth.
Birfoon:[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
Sorry, BirfoonLady,§338-17.8 does not provide for out of state birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii.
Even if arguendo there was an adoption, born in Hawaii means born in Hawaii. The statutes do not permit a foreign birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii, even i adoption cases.
The devil's in birfoon's confusion.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84499 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
1.5.21.2 Documents Acceptable for Proof of Citizenship
**********
NOTE: Use for NAVSHIPYD Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
Controlled Industrial Area (CIA) projects.
**********
a. Birth registration card
b. Certificate of live birth, birth certificate
c. Certificate of Naturalization
d. Certificate of registration
e. DD-214 (Must Cite Birthplace)
f. DD Form 4 (Contract for Enlistment and Must Cite Birthplace)
g. DD 1966 (Application for Enlistment)
h. Military discharge papers (must cite birthplace)
i. Delayed birth certificate
j. Hawaii certificate of foreign birth
k. Hospital birth certificate
l. Marriage license certificate
m. Merchant marine certificate
n. Military officer ID card
o. Notification of birth registration
SECTION 01 14 00 Page 29
p. State of Hawaii ID card
q. USA passport
r. Verbal inquiry with State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Office
http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/DOD/UFGS/UFGS%2001%20...
Whoop-dee-do.

Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:
1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that
Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii
2. Name of Person: Barack Hussein Obama, II
3. Department of Health File #: 151 61 10641
4. Time of Birth: 7:24 p.m.
5. Name of Hospital: Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital
6. Age of Father: 25
7. Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
8. Age of Mother: 18
9. Birthplace of Mother: Wichita, Kansas
10. Date of Signature of Parent: 8-7-61
11. Date of Signature of Attendant: 8-8-61
12. Date Accepted by Local Registrar: Aug-8 1961
Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for
Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files .
Alvin T. Onaka, Ph. D.
State Registrar

Proof beyond reasonable doubt. Sorry, BirfoonLady.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84500 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.
http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but the Framers were not born in the United States of America. They could not be natural born citizens according to the jus soli principle.

Soreeeeee. Operation of foreign law has no bearing on the natural born citizenship of a person born a citizen in this country.

Never has, never will. The United States is a sovereign nation.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#84501 Jun 11, 2012
By Alvin T. Onaka
Interviewed by Rasa Fournier
Wednesday - November 16, 2011

Our office also recently received a grant from the CDC of approximately $1 million a year for up to five years to develop an electronic vital statistics system that meets national standards and can be shared with the U.S. Affiliated Pacific
Islands. My vision is to use the advances in information technology in Hawaii and the Pacific jurisdictions to integrate the vital statistic system for inter-jurisdictional exchange of vital records and for public health surveillance,
especially in times of natural and manmade disasters.
waco1954

United States

#84503 Jun 11, 2012
You birther guys are so funny..still sniveling about where the guy was born....when there is almost no chance he will even be reelected....

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84504 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”(emphasis added)
Additionally, the “Certification of Live Birth” is not recognized by many Federal agencies.
Huh?“Certification of Live Birth”? RU living in a time warp? RU on LSD? On PCP? Meth?

The facts according to the original vital record have been certified.(That means, BirfoonLady, the facts from the original Long Form Birth Certificate kept on file since 1961 at DOH.)

Got a clue yet?

Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:
1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that
Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii
2. Name of Person: Barack Hussein Obama, II
3. Department of Health File #: 151 61 10641
4. Time of Birth: 7:24 p.m.
5. Name of Hospital: Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital
6. Age of Father: 25
7. Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
8. Age of Mother: 18
9. Birthplace of Mother: Wichita, Kansas
10. Date of Signature of Parent: 8-7-61
11. Date of Signature of Attendant: 8-8-61
12. Date Accepted by Local Registrar: Aug-8 1961
Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for
Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files .
Alvin T. Onaka, Ph. D.
State Registrar
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but this is 2012, and President Obama's Hawaiian birth has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The State of Hawaii has twice issued official certifications of the facts of his Hawaiian birth pursuant to state law (§338-14.3), birfoon myths, lore, and fantasies notwithstanding.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84505 Jun 11, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
By Alvin T. Onaka
Interviewed by Rasa Fournier
Wednesday - November 16, 2011
Our office also recently received a grant from the CDC of approximately $1 million a year for up to five years to develop an electronic vital statistics system that meets national standards and can be shared with the U.S. Affiliated Pacific
Islands. My vision is to use the advances in information technology in Hawaii and the Pacific jurisdictions to integrate the vital statistic system for inter-jurisdictional exchange of vital records and for public health surveillance,
especially in times of natural and manmade disasters.
Whoop-dee-do!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84506 Jun 11, 2012
waco1954 wrote:
As a Texas resident...born and bred...from the reddest state of all...and a republican...even I have sense enough to know...that Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii...get a life you birther freaks.
1)Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President.

2)Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore,

3)even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84507 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
1)Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President.
2)Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore,
3)even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.
http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
1. Correct. Irrelevant.
2. False.
3. False.

“[W]e find that the Constitution has recognized
the general principle of public law, that allegiance
and citizenship depend on the place of birth.‘
This doctrine of citizenship by reason of place of
birth is spoken of by the writers on the subject as
the jus soli or common law doctrine.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
(Internal citations omitted.)
waco1954

United States

#84508 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
1)Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President.
2)Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore,
3)even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still woukldn't be eligible to be President.
http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
his moms citizenship means nothing? are you against equal rights for women? don't you think its odd that all of these legal experts hadn't considered such a simple thing?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84510 Jun 11, 2012
"All agreed that every free person born
within the limits and the allegiance of a State of the
United States was a natural born citizen of the State and of the United States."

Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 410 (App.D.C. 1938)
modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84514 Jun 11, 2012
"The first attempt by Congress to define citizenship
was in 1866 in the passage of the Civil Rights Act
(Rev. St. Sec. 1992, 8 U.S.C.A.§ 1). The act
provided that:
‘All persons born in the United States and not subject
to any foreign power are declared to be citizens
of the United States.‘
And this in turn was followed in 1868 by the adoption
of the Fourteenth Amendment, U.S.C.A. Const.
Amend. 14, declaring:
‘All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside.‘
[2] As a result of the adoption of the
amendment, whatever differences existed between
statesmen and jurists on the general subject prior to
the War Between the States was put to rest, and it
may now be stated as an established rule that every
person born within the United States (except in the
case of children of ambassadors, etc.), whether born
of parents who are themselves citizens of the
United States or of foreign parents, is a citizen of
the United States."
Perkins v. Elg, 69 App.D.C. 175, 177-78, 99 F.2d 408, 410-11 (App. D,C. 1938) modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).

"The decree of the District Court declaring appelee to be a natural born citizen of the United States is in all respects affirmed." Id. at 414.

Notice, that parentage was irrelevant.

Sorry, birfoons.

"In the Wong Kim Ark Case,
supra, the whole question of citizenship is traced
from its source and the subject is so elaborately
considered as to make unnecessary any further reference
to this phase of the question." Id. at 411.

"In the Wong Kim Ark Case". Duh!

Natural Born Citizen - Place of birth.

Sucks to be a birfoon.

"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678, 688 (Ind. Ct. App. 2009).

“The Court in Wong Kim Ark reaffirmed Minor in that the meaning of the words ‘citizen of the United States’ and ‘natural-born citizen of the United States’‘must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the constitution.’ Id. at 654, 18 S. Ct. at 459.” Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678, 686 (Ind. Ct. App. 2009).

Sorry.

American Lady

Danville, KY

#84515 Jun 11, 2012
On January 1st, 2011, my story was voted “The Most Covered-Up Story in
America of 2010” by World Net Daily members and other Internet media members of the
Associated Press.

On January 18th, 2011, Governor Neil Abercrombie announced that while his
investigations (which, it was later revealed, included a warrant issued by his office), had
located a notation hand written into the state archives in 1961, no originating document
for President Obama could be located, and while President Obama’s name is present on
an archive index for registered births,

no evidence of the type of birth documentation, nor
where he was born, is actually present.

The partisan media circus began.

The London Mail reported the facts of the case almost word for word, in this fashion.

The news site World Net Daily headlined “Hawaii Governor can’t find Obama birth
certificate” in bolded black, wartime script.

The New York Post ran a small column in the back of the paper that read “Hawaii
Governor finds Birth Certificate” and almost as immediately—pulled it.

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