BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84475 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Friday, November 28, 2008
Obama's "birth certificate" - the devil's in the details
.......
However, even today’s Hawaiian state law provides for the issuance of “birth certificates” if the child is born out of state, and potentially out of the US, as long as the legal parents can show Hawaii as their legal residence:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
....

The root document(s), could be: a) a true “Certificate of Live Birth”; b) a “Late Birth Certificate” with or without modifications; or c) a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.”
....

To silence the questions of his birth records and citizenship, as well as lessen his legal jeopardy in regard to his eligibility to hold the office of President, perhaps Obama’s best course of action would seem that he reveals the details of his birth record. In doing so, he would be able to put to rest doubts that have hounded him for years. Leaving the questions unanswered may well taint the legitimacy of his Presidency for years to come.
http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/search...
Sorry BirfoonLady, the details of his birth record were certified by Hawaii DOH.

Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani. Registered August 8. Can't be a late registration or a certificate of Hawaiian birth.

Birfoon:[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

Sorry, BirfoonLady,§338-17.8 does not provide for out of state birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii.

Even if arguendo there was an adoption, born in Hawaii means born in Hawaii. The statutes do not permit a foreign birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii, even i adoption cases.

The devil's in birfoon's confusion.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#84476 Jun 11, 2012
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Then how do you justify the Democrats love for illegal aliens who steal American jobs and work 12 hrs. per day at $6 per hour?
I wasn’t worried about an undocumented worker getting my job because the state of California doesn’t hire them. On the other hand if you sold oranges on freeway off ramps or cut grass for a living they probably knocked you out of a few jobs.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84478 Jun 11, 2012
Barack H. Obama
Blogger manipulates birth certificate image, undermining Obama claims
By Israel Insider staff July 3, 2008

A crop from the image for which opendna aka Jay McKinnon takes credit (see context in reproduction below). Posted on Photobucket and in comments attached to the Daily Kos blog post where the purported Obama birth certificate appears

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama's birth certificate.

http://israelstreams.com/...

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#84480 Jun 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, at the ridiculous wage of $6. per hour. Which American would work for $6 an hour when he can make more on unemployment insurance or welfare? And face the truth, spud (a potato? ha ha), even at $15 and hour, no American, Canadian or European would want the work that these so-called illegal aliens do. Expel them, and see who picks your fruit and vegetables, cleans your streets, act as parking lot attendants and so much more.
Not only that, but social security administration would kill them for deporting too many undocumented workers.. LOL

Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a NET BENEFIT of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84481 Jun 11, 2012
1.5.21.2 Documents Acceptable for Proof of Citizenship
**********
NOTE: Use for NAVSHIPYD Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
Controlled Industrial Area (CIA) projects.
**********
a. Birth registration card
b. Certificate of live birth, birth certificate
c. Certificate of Naturalization
d. Certificate of registration
e. DD-214 (Must Cite Birthplace)
f. DD Form 4 (Contract for Enlistment and Must Cite Birthplace)
g. DD 1966 (Application for Enlistment)
h. Military discharge papers (must cite birthplace)
i. Delayed birth certificate
j. Hawaii certificate of foreign birth
k. Hospital birth certificate
l. Marriage license certificate
m. Merchant marine certificate
n. Military officer ID card
o. Notification of birth registration
SECTION 01 14 00 Page 29
p. State of Hawaii ID card
q. USA passport
r. Verbal inquiry with State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Office

http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/DOD/UFGS/UFGS%2001%20...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84482 Jun 11, 2012
commenter2001 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep! Most states do this.
How do you think children born overseas and adopted by Americans get a birth certificate in English?
Oh and the birth certificates of these children do NOT say they were born in Hawaii.
Your last sentence does not register in the birfoon brain.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84484 Jun 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
unAmerican slut wrote:
However, even today’s Hawaiian state law provides for the issuance of “birth certificates” if the child is born out of state, and potentially out of the US, as long as the legal parents can show Hawaii as their legal residence:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
<quoted text>
But according to Hawaiian law there must be remarks in the remarks section of that happens. And every time their is a revision there have to be more remarks!
And if there are no revisions, there need not be any remarks.

The information in the White House pdf matched the original: there were no remarks.

Get a life. Grow up!

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#84486 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Hint: It wasn't Romney's, SKANK!
It wasn’t Obama’s either.
rider

Ishpeming, MI

#84487 Jun 11, 2012
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84488 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Even to work at the Navy Ship Yard in Pearl Harbor, the August 2008 version of the,“Unified Facilities Guide Specifications,” section 1.5.22.2 allows for a total of 18 different means to verify US citizenship, ranging from a military ID card to even a “Hawaii certificate of foreign birth.” The “Certification of Live Birth” is not on the list of approved documents acceptable for proof of Citizenship.
Although some vetting took place in summer 2008 after Barrack Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth,” most media outlets and online bloggers failed to explore the unique aspects and varieties of Hawaiian “birth certificates.” Unfortunately, the birth certificate issue may cause a Constitutional crisis if Obama is determined to be other than a “Natural Born Citizen,” as Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution requires.
http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/search...
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but this is 2012, and President Obama's Hawaiian birth has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

The State of Hawaii has twice issued official certifications of the facts of his Hawaiian birth pursuant to state law (§338-14.3), birfoon myths, lore, and fantasies notwithstanding.
commenter2001 wrote:
<quoted text>
We HAVE proved you wrong time and time again.
EVERY SINGLE concrete piece of evidence says President Obama was born in Hawaii.
From birth certificates, birth announcements, written testimony of Govt. officials, the INS records of BOTH President Obama's father and his stepfather even the Annual report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service shows athere was only ONE alien and NO US citizens that arrived in the US from Kenya in the year ended June 30, 1962.
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim196 ...
All you nutters have is he-said-she-said and most of those people corrected their errors.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#84489 Jun 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Just sayin' says some of the Sheriff's lawyers have been disbarred. He knows it's untrue, it's a Rogue kind of fabrication, but it was mostly aimed at nervous birthers, Terri, who hang onto every word.
I believe he’s referring to Andrew Thomas.

A judge has ruled that the remaining lawsuits against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and ex-county Attorney Andrew Thomas and their deputies will go to trial between May and December of 2013.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2012/06/04/tri...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84490 Jun 11, 2012
Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That's it right there.(Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.
The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
waco1954

United States

#84494 Jun 11, 2012
As a Texas resident...born and bred...from the reddest state of all...and a republican...even I have sense enough to know...that Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii...get a life you birther freaks.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84495 Jun 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but this is 2012, and President Obama's Hawaiian birth has been proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The State of Hawaii has twice issued official certifications of the facts of his Hawaiian birth pursuant to state law (§338-14.3), birfoon myths, lore, and fantasies notwithstanding.
<quoted text>
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”(emphasis added)

Additionally, the “Certification of Live Birth” is not recognized by many Federal agencies.
Jacques Ottawa

Thornhill, Canada

#84496 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
This one is for the SKANK.
Did this woman commit FRAUD?
A woman who was given a $2.1million tax refund after filing a false claim went on a massive spending spree until she was caught.
Yes she did!
According to the probable cause statement, Reyes spent $13,000 in Marion County over two days in February,$26,000 in March and more than $35,000 in April.
The statement says the fraud was discovered May 7 by the issuer of the debit card after Reyes reported a 'second card' as lost or stolen.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21572...
Now will they charge her with violating Federal Statutes, State Statutes, or both?
Since it was a fraud committed against the Federal Government, I think she will be charged Federally.
What do you say, SKANK?
I have no idea who the skank is, so I'll answer you. It's all Obama's fault, period. Can no one stop him?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84497 Jun 11, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
How can Hawaii DOH verify the information on a document that does not contain a raised visible embossed seal of authentication making it an official State of Hawaii issued document?
They can't!
They did not issue that document to Obama.
RU nuts?

[§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy.

Got a clue of what "in lieu of a certified copy" means?

That's the whole point, birfoon. Even if the document is not a certified document, DOH can certify the information contained therein and that the information matches the original vital record.

Duh!

Verified: Born in Hawaii at Kapiolani on August 4, 1961. Delivering physician, David A. Sinclair, M.D.

Sucks to be a birfoon.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry BirfoonLady, the details of his birth record were certified by Hawaii DOH.
Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani. Registered August 8. Can't be a late registration or a certificate of Hawaiian birth.
Birfoon:[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
Sorry, BirfoonLady,§338-17.8 does not provide for out of state birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii.
Even if arguendo there was an adoption, born in Hawaii means born in Hawaii. The statutes do not permit a foreign birth to be registered as occurring in Hawaii, even i adoption cases.
The devil's in birfoon's confusion.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84499 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
1.5.21.2 Documents Acceptable for Proof of Citizenship
**********
NOTE: Use for NAVSHIPYD Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
Controlled Industrial Area (CIA) projects.
**********
a. Birth registration card
b. Certificate of live birth, birth certificate
c. Certificate of Naturalization
d. Certificate of registration
e. DD-214 (Must Cite Birthplace)
f. DD Form 4 (Contract for Enlistment and Must Cite Birthplace)
g. DD 1966 (Application for Enlistment)
h. Military discharge papers (must cite birthplace)
i. Delayed birth certificate
j. Hawaii certificate of foreign birth
k. Hospital birth certificate
l. Marriage license certificate
m. Merchant marine certificate
n. Military officer ID card
o. Notification of birth registration
SECTION 01 14 00 Page 29
p. State of Hawaii ID card
q. USA passport
r. Verbal inquiry with State of Hawaii Vital Statistics Office
http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/DOD/UFGS/UFGS%2001%20...
Whoop-dee-do.

Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:
1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that
Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii
2. Name of Person: Barack Hussein Obama, II
3. Department of Health File #: 151 61 10641
4. Time of Birth: 7:24 p.m.
5. Name of Hospital: Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital
6. Age of Father: 25
7. Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
8. Age of Mother: 18
9. Birthplace of Mother: Wichita, Kansas
10. Date of Signature of Parent: 8-7-61
11. Date of Signature of Attendant: 8-8-61
12. Date Accepted by Local Registrar: Aug-8 1961
Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for
Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files .
Alvin T. Onaka, Ph. D.
State Registrar

Proof beyond reasonable doubt. Sorry, BirfoonLady.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#84500 Jun 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.
http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
Sorry, BirfoonLady, but the Framers were not born in the United States of America. They could not be natural born citizens according to the jus soli principle.

Soreeeeee. Operation of foreign law has no bearing on the natural born citizenship of a person born a citizen in this country.

Never has, never will. The United States is a sovereign nation.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#84501 Jun 11, 2012
By Alvin T. Onaka
Interviewed by Rasa Fournier
Wednesday - November 16, 2011

Our office also recently received a grant from the CDC of approximately $1 million a year for up to five years to develop an electronic vital statistics system that meets national standards and can be shared with the U.S. Affiliated Pacific
Islands. My vision is to use the advances in information technology in Hawaii and the Pacific jurisdictions to integrate the vital statistic system for inter-jurisdictional exchange of vital records and for public health surveillance,
especially in times of natural and manmade disasters.
waco1954

United States

#84503 Jun 11, 2012
You birther guys are so funny..still sniveling about where the guy was born....when there is almost no chance he will even be reelected....

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