Obama Iraq Speech: US Strategy Is Unsound - Afghanistan is a war we must win

Hey Al-Qaida, you've the one chance in a lifetime in Iraq today.

freddy3 wrote:

<quoted text>Dude slow down, do some research. McCain has missed 63% of votes vs Obama's 43%(Washington Post) as far as the voting line McCain is at a 95% rate of voting for everything Bush proposes and 89% party votes and Obama is 96% with party. So that whole maverick thing is past tense...and for the record as far as missing votes that is one class McCain is ahead of being that he finished in the bottom five...5 students in a class of 899 at his Naval school. Maybe someone gave McCain a map to the Senate floor and he just couldn't read it, who knows, but those are the facts, yes facts, some of us actually work by them.

Nice try to skew the numbers vs the issues.

Do you think McCain broke with the party when working with Ted Kennedy on "Comprehensive Immigration" or Amnesty?

What about Campaign Finance?

What about breaking senate filibusters?

What about spearheading effort to restore diplomatic relations with Vietnam?

Do you even realize that many who don't even have a degree are the best in their field today making million and sometimes billions?
Trying to say that where you rank in your class 40-50 years ago has a bearing on how far you go or how smart or wise you've become is idiotic.

Would you like to know of another US president that was in the bottom of their class too...?

Do some research into this topic and you'll learn that education is a stepping stone but not a final judgment about the person by any stretch of your imagination.

Also freddy3; there are MENSA members with PHD's in jail for murder so please try to get more perspective on this matter and don't always fall for the campaign ad.

Fri May 02, 2008 at 21:18:18 PM EDT

Black Activist Alice Palmer Trusted Barack Obama

In 1995, Alice Palmer was a longtime Black activist, a "beloved elder stateswoman" in the Illinois state senate. She had a record of community service and had earned a 'safe seat'- ie, no one even tried to run agaisnt her. She was doing excellent work for the Black activist community, and holding that seat securely for them, so they could spend their resources elsewhere.

Barack Obama had never run for office. He was a 32 year old wannabee hanging around the Chicago political machines, hoping for someone to give him a boost.

Palmer had a chance to run in a special election for a higher office. Obama was young, with an inspiring manner and an innocent grin. Palmer trusted him.

She introduced him to party elders and donors as her probable successor, and helped him gather signatures to get on the ballot. She didn't get any agreement with him in writing. She trusted him.

Then Palmer's higher race went badly. To get on the ballot for her old seat, she also gathered signatures, all under the 1995 list of registered voters - hastily, collecting only the minimum number of signatures needed. When she and party elders asked Obama to keep his word and withdraw, offering him help in getting an additional post elsewhere, Obama refused. So Palmer prepared to let the voters decide between them.

But instead of letting the voters decide, Obama got Palmer (as well as the rest of his opponents) knocked off the ballot for her own seat. As soon as the city completed a massive purge of the list of registered voters, Obama challenged all his opponents' signatures against the purged list. Some voters had moved or died, so not enough matches could be found.(Obama's own signatures were never put to the same test.)

So Obama charged Palmer with 'fraud', had her disgraced and knocked out of politics - rather than run a fair contest against her.

Running as the only name on the ballot, Obama took Palmer's safe seat. Soon he abandoned it for an unsuccessful higher office run himself. So instead of Palmer in her safe seat and Obama in another seat, their party had lost them both.

Palmer made some mistakes, but she is not running for President of the US on a claim of judgement and unity and courtesy, as Obama claims to be. Palmer's mistakes came from innocent optomism - and trusting Barack Obama. Understandably, Palmer supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

all these hate articles about Obama prove to all Americans that he is the best choice for us to finally become wealthier....just like we Americans were 10 years ago.

Poor Obama was found today frightened and huddled behind his teleprompter, distraught over the thought of facing John McCain in unmoderated townhall meetings. Pundits have said that Obama was a flip-flopping coward not to accept the challenge by McCain to participate in townhall meetings, however, it was a smart move on his part. Otherwise, he may have looked like this:

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Anna wrote:

No. This war is plundering invasion nobody knows what is going on and why was this common US- British - Canadian and some other NATO invasion started?
Firstly he must stop the war in Iraq, pump money there ( of course not in pockets of proamerican puppets but in country ) to make possible rebuilding and a normal development of it and not rob this country. And the second thing - NO NEW WARS: NO war with Pakistan, no continuing of genocide in Afghanistan but withdrawing of troops gradually. He must do following thing: he must evidence that he as person will be better president as Bush and not the next genocide who wants to seize good stool and democrates are different than republicans. Maybe all americans are criminals and genocides.

You don't get out much do you? You must be short on medication? That German health care system ain't hacking it is it?

What is being plundered from Iraq?
Oil? We haven't seen any have you? We aren't pumping it.

Puppet Government? Al Maliki wasn't our choice
any more than he was your.

We have been pumping money into Iraq to assist in the rebuilding of an infrastructure than in some areas is over 30 years old or non existance.

The only genocide in Afganistan is being done by the Taliban and Al Quaeda. That is unless you are Taliban or AQ?

What war in Pakistan? The Waristan region of Pakistan is were AQ is hiding. If Pakistan won't go in I hope to hell we do.

There seems to be this thing that, I has a US citizen have to be cordial and apologize for being a superpower?

Now bout HELL NO.

We bailed your azzes out years ago. If you don't like how we do business step up and do it yourself. I'am gonna guess that your just a typical sit on your behind and post derogatory statements without any proof kind of european.

Does the name Adolf ring a bell?

You were invited to Iraq in the beginning and you declined. Five years later all you've done is provide lip service amounting to nothing. Oh you complain and want to supervise but that's diffucult when you don't want to get your hand dirty.

Obama: The Bus list

Under the Bus:

Grandma Dunham

Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Fr. Michael Pleger

NEW!Michael Klonsky

Muslim supporters

babies that survive abortion attempts

8,000 Members of Trinity Church of Christ

Samatha Power

Obama advisor/Hamas friend Rob Malley

Clinging to the Bumper :

Marilyn Katz (former SDS radical, Obama campaign PR professional)

Carl Davidson (former SDS radical, Fidel Castro Fan, webmaster of Progressives for Obama)

Michelle Obama

half-brother Abongo Obama, a militant Muslim

"Uncle Frank" Frank Marshall Davis, role
model/mentor and member of the Communist Party
USA, poet who authored "Smash-on, victory-eating Red Army"

Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist and long-time friend

Bernadine Dorhn, Ayer's wife, fellow domestic terrorist. and Manson Family admirer.

PROOF of OBAMA BUFFOON'S continual shifting on Iraq to suit whatever the politics demand and PROOF of his BUFFOONISM!

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/docume ...

To paraphrase this... let's stay in Afghanistan and give Iran over to Iraq... WWIII maybe? Makes you wonder about Obama... Why can't folks see through this?

So, Obama goes to Iraq, the "surge" he opposed makes the place safer; and now he wants to leave Iraq and "surge" Afghanistan, because he likes that war better?

Looks to me that Iraq is the Neo-con war; and that one is the one to condemn at all times, while Afghan is the Lib war, to say how tough they'll be on US enemies.

Why not just win the damn wars, period, and quit polarizing and politicizing them?

Mjolnir wrote:

So, Obama goes to Iraq, the "surge" he opposed makes the place safer; and now he wants to leave Iraq and "surge" Afghanistan, because he likes that war better?
Looks to me that Iraq is the Neo-con war; and that one is the one to condemn at all times, while Afghan is the Lib war, to say how tough they'll be on US enemies.
Why not just win the damn wars, period, and quit polarizing and politicizing them?

Great point.
Sometimes I wonder if the people that are willing to sacrifice our status as global economic power, are the same people who are for social programs that gives them handout checks from our taxes. Don't they know if our economy and global interest are attacked, their handout checks will stop too.

Obama For Dog Catcher wrote:

Fri May 02, 2008 at 21:18:18 PM EDT
Black Activist Alice Palmer Trusted Barack Obama
In 1995, Alice Palmer was a longtime Black activist, a "beloved elder stateswoman" in the Illinois state senate. She had a record of community service and had earned a 'safe seat'- ie, no one even tried to run agaisnt her. She was doing excellent work for the Black activist community, and holding that seat securely for them, so they could spend their resources elsewhere.
Barack Obama had never run for office. He was a 32 year old wannabee hanging around the Chicago political machines, hoping for someone to give him a boost.
Palmer had a chance to run in a special election for a higher office. Obama was young, with an inspiring manner and an innocent grin. Palmer trusted him.
She introduced him to party elders and donors as her probable successor, and helped him gather signatures to get on the ballot. She didn't get any agreement with him in writing. She trusted him.
Then Palmer's higher race went badly. To get on the ballot for her old seat, she also gathered signatures, all under the 1995 list of registered voters - hastily, collecting only the minimum number of signatures needed. When she and party elders asked Obama to keep his word and withdraw, offering him help in getting an additional post elsewhere, Obama refused. So Palmer prepared to let the voters decide between them.
But instead of letting the voters decide, Obama got Palmer (as well as the rest of his opponents) knocked off the ballot for her own seat. As soon as the city completed a massive purge of the list of registered voters, Obama challenged all his opponents' signatures against the purged list. Some voters had moved or died, so not enough matches could be found.(Obama's own signatures were never put to the same test.)
So Obama charged Palmer with 'fraud', had her disgraced and knocked out of politics - rather than run a fair contest against her.
Running as the only name on the ballot, Obama took Palmer's safe seat. Soon he abandoned it for an unsuccessful higher office run himself. So instead of Palmer in her safe seat and Obama in another seat, their party had lost them both.
Palmer made some mistakes, but she is not running for President of the US on a claim of judgement and unity and courtesy, as Obama claims to be. Palmer's mistakes came from innocent optomism - and trusting Barack Obama. Understandably, Palmer supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

Yes, Once Obama's mentor, Alice Palmer now campaigns for Clinton...

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The laughing liberal wrote:

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Sorry the good news for US troops and our country is too much for you to stand.
That's the beauty of America, you can hate the country, state your opposition, and give opinions without fear of repercussions while troops are putting their lives on the line.
Trying to make a moral case for not going to war is a little old and worthless 5 years after and while we're making plans to reduce forces and eventually leave.

First, why is it when someone points out a war crime like Abu Ghraib or the My Lai massacre, the anticipated knee-jerk response from little Republi-Nazis like you is to question their patriotism?

Calling me an "America Hater" doesn't refute the fundamental fact that Bush invaded Iraq on the basis of lies.

Correct, Chief? Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean those conveying it hate the country.

It is perfectly reasonable to condemn leadership when it goes down the wrong moral path. Your attempt to drape the American flag over Bush and make him a sacred cow doesn't work.

Then there's this lame thought of yours:

"Trying to make a moral case for not going to war is a little old and worthless 5 years after and while we're making plans to reduce..."

Why? Because you say so? By that reasoning, I guess you would exonerate Hitler for his war of aggression.

Yeah, I can just see you as Adolf's legal counsel at Nuremberg. "But judge, the war went on for over five years before we caught up with Mr. Hitler. At this point, trying to build a case to indict him is old and worthless."

Mjolnir wrote:

So, Obama goes to Iraq, the "surge" he opposed makes the place safer; and now he wants to leave Iraq and "surge" Afghanistan, because he likes that war better?
Looks to me that Iraq is the Neo-con war; and that one is the one to condemn at all times, while Afghan is the Lib war, to say how tough they'll be on US enemies.
Why not just win the damn wars, period, and quit polarizing and politicizing them?

We should have never been in Iraq from the first place. Sadamm had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Bush told us that we were going to war with Iraq to find Bin Laden and all these weapons of mass distruction they supposedly had because of the 9/11 attacks. He lied, plain and simple, big time. We are paying for his lies with thousands of US lives and $15 trillion of debt. Bin Laden is still at large, sending messages, taunting, making fools out of our Government, doing push-ups, and planning his next attack. We are the laughing stock of the world, our word and our money is worth nothing.

We needed to be in Afganistan from the beginning, not Iraq, what were we doing there in the first place. What did America gain from that? We have suffered great loss all for the sake of somebodies bruised, stubborn ego.

You are all crying about this surge being a success, and Obama not acknowledging it. A success for who? For what? What did American's gain from this so-called successful "surge"? Bragging rights? The right to say "we beat up the Iraqis". They are powerless against us, they were already a poor, war ridden country, trying to recover from years of civil war and years of war with the Russians. Anybody can beat up the Iraqis. We basically went over there and bullied those people, killed thousands of innocent men, women and children, for what? You may say, they terrorists, that may very well be true, but they were not the one's responsible for the terror attacks on the World Trade Center in the United States of America. They did not declare war on us, Al Queda did and the master mind behind it is still at large, 7 years later.........

That is my question, what did America gain from the war in Iraq?

Obama's words, just words, just a speech in Berlin, as he so "eloquently stated well before this speech -LOL!" - Was no more than political mumbo jumbo campaign propaganda! How dare he speak as if he is already the lead representative of the United States of America!

The latest report states that he now is preparing for his transition into the Presidency! This guy is very, very, very dangerous! He is so cocky and stuck on himself that his arrogance is sickening!

Obama the BUFFOON is the Hitler of the 21st century and the world had better wake up (that means you demo buffoons too) to this farce who is duping the electorate's ninkinpoops into believing every word, just words, just speeches of his "change" without substance - OBAMA BUFFOON IS NO MORE THAN "JUST" A POWER HUNGRY ELITIST WHO IS EXTREMELY CONCEITED, PLAYS THE RACE CARD, IS A PROVEN RACIST, A HYPOCRITE AND WHO SPEAKS OF WORDS THAT MAKE UP FALSE PROMISES AND EXPECTATIONS - HIS BUFFOONED HEAD IS SO FAT THAT IT WILL SOON EXPLODE - AND IF ELECTED - THE FALSE PROPHET OBAMA BUFFOON WILL DESTROY THE WORLD!

His dictating to Europe is not a ploy that will go over well in Europe - and we already know that his attitude is that of - If you do not agree with me - than you are a racist and my enemy - Kinda like the ideology of Black Liberation Theology, where if God is not for the black man and against the white man, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him - Black Liberation Theology will except only the love of Gods which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.

It is quite dangerous for America to elect such a man as Obama who has supported Black Liberation Theology for twenty years. OBAMA WILL DESTROY ALL WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH HIM - AND BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY! The writing is on the table America. Cast your vote based on true character and not phoney words of great expectation - use your mind, sift through the evidence, and you will choose to not vote for the OBAMA THREAT - but for an honorable and trust worthy candidate in John McCain!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED AMERICA!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx...

Never a Democrat wrote:

Obama's words, just words, just a speech in Berlin, as he so "eloquently stated well before this speech -LOL!" - Was no more than political mumbo jumbo campaign propaganda! How dare he speak as if he is already the lead representative of the United States of America!
The latest report states that he now is preparing for his transition into the Presidency! This guy is very, very, very dangerous! He is so cocky and stuck on himself that his arrogance is sickening!
Obama the BUFFOON is the Hitler of the 21st century and the world had better wake up (that means you demo buffoons too) to this farce who is duping the electorate's ninkinpoops into believing every word, just words, just speeches of his "change" without substance - OBAMA BUFFOON IS NO MORE THAN "JUST" A POWER HUNGRY ELITIST WHO IS EXTREMELY CONCEITED, PLAYS THE RACE CARD, IS A PROVEN RACIST, A HYPOCRITE AND WHO SPEAKS OF WORDS THAT MAKE UP FALSE PROMISES AND EXPECTATIONS - HIS BUFFOONED HEAD IS SO FAT THAT IT WILL SOON EXPLODE - AND IF ELECTED - THE FALSE PROPHET OBAMA BUFFOON WILL DESTROY THE WORLD!
His dictating to Europe is not a ploy that will go over well in Europe - and we already know that his attitude is that of - If you do not agree with me - than you are a racist and my enemy - Kinda like the ideology of Black Liberation Theology, where if God is not for the black man and against the white man, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him - Black Liberation Theology will except only the love of Gods which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.
It is quite dangerous for America to elect such a man as Obama who has supported Black Liberation Theology for twenty years. OBAMA WILL DESTROY ALL WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH HIM - AND BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY! The writing is on the table America. Cast your vote based on true character and not phoney words of great expectation - use your mind, sift through the evidence, and you will choose to not vote for the OBAMA THREAT - but for an honorable and trust worthy candidate in John McCain!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED AMERICA!
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx...

To add to that Obama's campaign used the same tactics as they did in Oregon to draw crowd and claim they all came for Obama:

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Frank wrote:
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I did a google search. So they might be related. What's shoking about it?
Duuhhhhh....
The fact that Muslim terrorist Raila Odinga (Obama's cousin)-------attempted to overthrow the government in Kenya----murdered MANY people who got in his way-----so that he could put in a government of Islam/Sharia Law.
Obama just visited his cousin Raila Odinga in August, 2006 (Google it, if you do not believe me)----and took a recent phone call from cousin Raila during the New Hampshire primaries.
Know wonder some of you are Obama zombies.
I know, I know, what you Obama zombies will say......
There could be many of us who have family members who are Muslim terrorists, try to overthrow governments, and murder anybody/anyone who got in the way.

bob53 wrote:

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First, why is it when someone points out a war crime like Abu Ghraib or the My Lai massacre, the anticipated knee-jerk response from little Republi-Nazis like you is to question their patriotism?

-Being an Independent, I'll simply point out to you that lumping single incidents does not make the country or military inherently bad.
Sorry, it just doesn't work that we, try as you may.

Calling me an "America Hater" doesn't refute the fundamental fact that Bush invaded Iraq on the basis of lies.
Correct, Chief?

-Seems that your reading comprehension skills and understanding of the facts is a little lacking. So I'll try and help you.

-Nearly everyone agreed on the intelligence before the bush took office and after 9-11. The president asked for and received approval from Congress to use military force in iraq.

Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean those conveying it hate the country.
It is perfectly reasonable to condemn leadership when it goes down the wrong moral path.

-Selective outrage simply shows you to be a partisan.

-Where is you moral outrage against clinton or any of the other prominent democrats that authorized the use of force in iraq?

Your attempt to drape the American flag over Bush and make him a sacred cow doesn't work.
Then there's this lame thought of yours:
"Trying to make a moral case for not going to war is a little old and worthless 5 years after and while we're making plans to reduce..."

-Because 'it's kicking a dead horse' so to speak.

Why? Because you say so?

-Because the facts show that the you are essentially misleading, lying and/or are ignorant of the events that led up to the war.

By that reasoning, I guess you would exonerate Hitler for his war of aggression.
Yeah, I can just see you as Adolf's legal counsel at Nuremberg. "But judge, the war went on for over five years before we caught up with Mr. Hitler. At this point, trying to build a case to indict him is old and worthless."

-Keep trying to engage Hitler. It only shows us how really stupid you are to compare bush to someone that demanded genocide and murdered everyone in his path.

-Read some WWII history before making such idiotic statements about Hitler because you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about and the continent wide devastation he caused.

In other words, get a clue and get back to me.

Did Obama drop out of the race?

"Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world."