Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164043 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#40018 Aug 22, 2012
HTS wrote:
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1. Thank you for providing that link... your gullibility is exposed. My favorite line was "But although such cases are not explained, that does not mean they are unexplainable...". His argument was nothing but a special pleading , ad hoc rationalization of embryologic facts which contradict the very foundation of your arguments. It's not a minor detail... It proves that your childish intuitions are FALSE.
2. Predictably, you again pulled out the "goddidit with magic" card, indicating your lack of scientific explanations.
Wrong, of course wrong, HTS posted it. He was merely pointing out that your claim is "godidit with magic". That is not his claim. We would like something besides that from you, but you know you have nothing.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#40019 Aug 22, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope, deBeer may have disagreed with homology, he never came close to debunking it. You cannot win a debate in your mind only, which is the only thing he did. Other biologists who understand the science better than he does know that he is full of horse puckey.
You need to learn what evidence is. Evidence for a theory is anything that fits in the model of the theory. For example homology fits very nicely into evolutionary theory since it predicts it. Homology does not fit into the idea of creation by an all powerful, all knowing god. There are countless flaws in almost every animal. They are there because evolution is only concerned with what works. If it works it usually works good enough. An all powerful all knowing god could have created perfect life if he wanted to. By the way, the god of the Bible cannot be all knowing, all powerful, and just. Not going to the god argument, just a related subject. Since no one has bothered to define ID I cannot say whether or not homology fits into it. Do proponents of ID believe that evolution occurred or not? Are there any special cases? It may be possible for homology to exist in ID, but not necessarily. It depends on how you answer those questions.
1. You made a broad unsubstantiated statement that de Beer was "full of horse of key", without bothering to explain why his research is not valid. You apparently have FAITH in your religion of evolution, that the omnipotent force of natural selection will find a way without aged.
2. Now you're really busted. Just listen to your logic. All you can do to defend your arguments is to bash religion. Who are you to decide that homology is not consistent with intelligent creation? That's your RELIGIOUS OPINION... It's not science. It's not even logical.

Since: Apr 11

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#40020 Aug 22, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
This will come as a great surprise to the many gays and lesbians who have their own biological children.
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I have no idea what "heterosexualism" is, as that word fails to appear in any dictionary I consulted. Did you possibly mean "heterosexual behavior"?
And why would a gay man or lesbian have to adopt their own biological offspring?
Certainly, gay men and lesbians can have their own biological offspring either as the result of heterosexual behavior or as the result of artificial insemination.
But what *is* your point? What does *any* of this have to do with evolution?
I repeat, no cells no evolution...
Homosexuals(gays and lesbians) marry themselves, by this, they can never produce their own, except through adoption and the opposite sex.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

UK

#40021 Aug 22, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>. You're obviously deeply devoted to your cherished religion of atheism. My apologies if I've offended you in any way. I realize I've hit an emotional nerve with you.
A religion comments on more than one subject, atheism only comments on one subject like theism and deism so it canít be a religion.

Since: Apr 11

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#40022 Aug 22, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You noticed that too, did you? Charles isn't very honest about his claims. He changes them without admitting to it, when he is caught in an error.
Birds of a feather!
Define homosexualism(gays and lesbians)?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40023 Aug 22, 2012
You're saying that you have no chromosome 2 in your DNA? Seriously?
<quoted text>
Was that a "yes" or a "no" to my question?
Charles Idemi wrote:
You can never put words into my mouth
Which is why I asked you if you were answering "yes" or "no" to my yes-or-no question.

So which is your answer to the question? Yes, or no? Or are you just too afraid to answer?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#40024 Aug 22, 2012
HTS wrote:
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1. You made a broad unsubstantiated statement that de Beer was "full of horse of key", without bothering to explain why his research is not valid. You apparently have FAITH in your religion of evolution, that the omnipotent force of natural selection will find a way without aged.
2. Now you're really busted. Just listen to your logic. All you can do to defend your arguments is to bash religion. Who are you to decide that homology is not consistent with intelligent creation? That's your RELIGIOUS OPINION... It's not science. It's not even logical.
Here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB811.h...

DeBeer was a died in the wool evolutionist. He'd be turning over in his grave if he knew you were using him to support your arguments.

Since: Apr 11

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#40025 Aug 22, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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There are some serious problems with your assertion. My father, yes my genetic father, is gay. They can, and often do, reproduce before coming out. Then there's the fact that genetics doesn't work just through inheritance, every offspring has hundreds of mutations in the genome, then there is also the matter of the genome changing throughout your life. So your point is pointless.
Your genetic father gave birth to you when he married your mother(heterosexual) and not when he married another man of the same sex(homosexual).

Since: Apr 11

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#40026 Aug 22, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Ted Haggard has five children.
Through a woman(heterosexual) or through a man(homosexual)?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#40027 Aug 22, 2012
HTS wrote:
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1. You made a broad unsubstantiated statement that de Beer was "full of horse of key", without bothering to explain why his research is not valid. You apparently have FAITH in your religion of evolution, that the omnipotent force of natural selection will find a way without aged.
2. Now you're really busted. Just listen to your logic. All you can do to defend your arguments is to bash religion. Who are you to decide that homology is not consistent with intelligent creation? That's your RELIGIOUS OPINION... It's not science. It's not even logical.
You still do not know what faith is. And for someone who thinks he has an invisible friend that is rather humorous. I denied your claims about deBeer based on the concept of "past performance". Since you have a fail rate of about 99% or more it was perfectly normal to instantly deny your claim. The fact that his claims are not heeded by the biological community as a whole supports my belief. Faith would be to trust someone or something without any history of them showing that they were right, or even existed. Sort of like your faith in god. You have no physical evidence that your god exists. I am not a biologist and I will leave biological arguments to biologists, makes sense right? I know, you have this whole conspiracy thing going. Sorry, conspiracy theories do not survive the light of day. There are too many scientists who are genuinely interested in the truth for a conspiracy of the sort that creatards talk about to exist.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40028 Aug 22, 2012
Do asexually reproducing species reproduce on their own? Yes or no?
Charles Idemi wrote:
This questions have been answered before.
When did you answer it? All you keep doing is trying to change the subject to humans.

Can you answer the question, yes or no?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#40029 Aug 22, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB811.h...
DeBeer was a died in the wool evolutionist. He'd be turning over in his grave if he knew you were using him to support your arguments.
Someone else already linked this. HTS used his limited reading comprehension and only spotted the line "Granted, some of the examples raised by de Beer have not yet been explained in detail." He ignored the rest of the article.

In other words if we cannot explain everything to him one hundred percent he will stick with his "godidit with magic" claim that he has no evidence for at all,

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40030 Aug 22, 2012
Do asexually reproducing species reproduce on their own? Yes or no?
Charles Idemi wrote:
Only unicellular organisms and some plants, that can do that...
And hydra. And annelid worms. And sea stars. And water fleas. And aphids. And stick insects. And some species of ants. And some species of bees. And some species of parasitic wasps. And some reptiles. And some amphibians. And some fish.

In case you didn't notice, all the ones I listed are multicellular animals.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40031 Aug 22, 2012
So you're saying that all of your cousins have exactly the same set of skills and abilities that you do? Athletic individuals can't have non-athletic cousins? Intelligent individuals can't have non-intelligent cousins?
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No to which of the questions above? I asked 3 questions.
Charles Idemi wrote:
There is no line of equations between them.
Equation between what and what?
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#40032 Aug 22, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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We have heard that nonsense for hundreds of years. No one has come even close to making a perpetual motion machine. Take a physics class or two. Learn what "work" actually is.
OK, I am willing to start with the basics of our sail car being moved by air idea. Would you agree with me on one thing, and this will be our initial power supply? Do you think that a siphon can furnish water continuously if its inlet stays submerged in a continuous supply of water?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40033 Aug 22, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
Define homosexualism
The word "homosexualism" doesn't appear in either the Merriam-Webster Dictionary nor the Oxford English Dictionary.

Any chance that you could stick to using *real* words? And not just ones that you make up on the fly?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40034 Aug 22, 2012
This will come as a great surprise to the many gays and lesbians who have their own biological children.
<quoted text>
I wasn't referring to same-sex couples.
Read what I wrote.
Charles Idemi wrote:
You can not run away from what you said, you said humans can reproduce on their
Where did I say that? Identify the posting by number.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#40035 Aug 22, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
I repeat, no cells no evolution
And I pointed out that replicating molecules, outside of cells, can "evolve".

So what is your point?

What do gays and lesbians have to do with any of this?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#40036 Aug 22, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I am willing to start with the basics of our sail car being moved by air idea. Would you agree with me on one thing, and this will be our initial power supply? Do you think that a siphon can furnish water continuously if its inlet stays submerged in a continuous supply of water?
No.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

UK

#40037 Aug 22, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
This will come as a great surprise to the many gays and lesbians who have their own biological children.
<quoted text>
I wasn't referring to same-sex couples.
Read what I wrote.
<quoted text>
Where did I say that? Identify the posting by number.
Yes I think we can now say he know's he's saying Bulls***

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