Tentative deal in Miss. suit over illegal workers

REWBA wrote:

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No. You are full of chit because you don't get enough fiber in your diet. All that pressure has made you a horrible person with a crappy attitude. Try a bowl of bran flakes or a bran muffin.

Did you have your muffin yet?

Rebel wrote:

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Ha ha. A horrible person for wanting our laws enforced? Too funny. Illegal aliens are taking jobs citizens and legal residents need and want. What is horrible is anyone supporting illegal aliens being here, against our laws, and hurting our own.
You might want to try your own advice. Perhaps unpacking the sh*t will help you think straight.

Quit buying U.S. beef, U.S. pork, U.S. poultry, U.S. fruits, U.S. vegetables and anything else where the corporations in the U.S. hire undocumented workers to produce their product.

Raise your own beef, poultry, pork, fruits and veggies and send a migrant worker back home.

REWBA wrote:

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No. The ones who treat all Hispanic/Latino people as if they were not allowed on the North American continent. You know...people like you.

Do you mean those, like me, who recognize that the illegal alien is, well you know, illegal and doesn't belong in our nation....and is, therefore, an invader?

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>Do you mean those, like me, who recognize that the illegal alien is, well you know, illegal and doesn't belong in our nation....and is, therefore, an invader?

No, I mean people like you who are too ignorant to realize that the illegal alien is just a corporate pawn in a global market and the elected officials on both sides of the isle are elbow deep in the corporate pockets so no laws will be enforced and no reform will ever pass into law unless it benefits the global corporation at the expense of the American way of life. The illegal immigrants working here in the United States are invited guests of the global corporations and as long as you keep buying chicken nuggets they are no going to stop bringing illegal workers into the US. Hell, even if you quit eating chicken, that won't stop them because they sell chickens to the Chinese by the boatload so don't expect the corporate bosses to change their ways anytime soon.

Have a bran muffin. American Farmers still use heavy equipment to harvest wheat, bran and oats...

Good wrote:

More citizens, no matter their "color or ethnicity" should sue too! It's d@mn time citizens are hired instead of illegal alien border jumpers!

It's the only thing that they will understand(corporations).
What really burns my bacon is when they all say Mexicans work harder than anyone else when in reality it's the fact that they the Mexicans are more "manageable" meaning they don't complain about poor pay and possible sub-standard working conditions Americans under the same circumstances demand more.

REWBA wrote:

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Quit buying U.S. beef, U.S. pork, U.S. poultry, U.S. fruits, U.S. vegetables and anything else where the corporations in the U.S. hire undocumented workers to produce their product.
Raise your own beef, poultry, pork, fruits and veggies and send a migrant worker back home.

Stop buying ag. products "just" to send them packing?
How about following immigration laws and if they are needed how about work visa's?
Not that difficult.

Quirky wrote:

This same kind of crap goes on here too.

You have the beef packing plant in Colorado so it's not too surprising.

REWBA wrote:

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No, I mean people like you who are too ignorant to realize that the illegal alien is just a corporate pawn in a global market and the elected officials on both sides of the isle are elbow deep in the corporate pockets so no laws will be enforced and no reform will ever pass into law unless it benefits the global corporation at the expense of the American way of life. The illegal immigrants working here in the United States are invited guests of the global corporations and as long as you keep buying chicken nuggets they are no going to stop bringing illegal workers into the US. Hell, even if you quit eating chicken, that won't stop them because they sell chickens to the Chinese by the boatload so don't expect the corporate bosses to change their ways anytime soon.
Have a bran muffin. American Farmers still use heavy equipment to harvest wheat, bran and oats...

What makes you think I am too ignorant to understand that? Of course they are pawns....Just because they are pawns doesn't mean that we just ignore laws against the illegal and those who hire them or otherwise aid, abet and give comfort to them...Just because we haven't tried attrition thru enforcement doesn't mean it won't work and we should continue to bury our heads in the sand........

REWBA wrote:

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No, I mean people like you who are too ignorant to realize that the illegal alien is just a corporate pawn in a global market and the elected officials on both sides of the isle are elbow deep in the corporate pockets so no laws will be enforced and no reform will ever pass into law unless it benefits the global corporation at the expense of the American way of life. The illegal immigrants working here in the United States are invited guests of the global corporations and as long as you keep buying chicken nuggets they are no going to stop bringing illegal workers into the US. Hell, even if you quit eating chicken, that won't stop them because they sell chickens to the Chinese by the boatload so don't expect the corporate bosses to change their ways anytime soon.
Have a bran muffin. American Farmers still use heavy equipment to harvest wheat, bran and oats...

Interesting thoughts there but, don't underestimate the American resolve.

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>What makes you think I am too ignorant to understand that? Of course they are pawns....Just because they are pawns doesn't mean that we just ignore laws against the illegal and those who hire them or otherwise aid, abet and give comfort to them...Just because we haven't tried attrition thru enforcement doesn't mean it won't work and we should continue to bury our heads in the sand........

I agree. We shouldn't bury our heads in the sand. We should realize that the government isn't going to do anything to corporations who hire illegals so we the people have to quit allowing roofing companies to take US wages from our insurance companies then send a crew of wetbacks to our homes to replace the roof. We all know that Tyson meats and Tyson farms is a huge violator of US employment laws. Quit buying Tyson products and let that crap rot on the shelves of the grocery store. Find a local butcher born and raised in the US and buy your meat there. Find local farms and buy your milk and eggs from them. Only allow US citizens to repair your home. Check ID's and send them packing if they have even one illegal on the crew. That is all you and I can do to eliminate illegal immigration. Our elected officials won't do it for us.

REWBA wrote:

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I agree. We shouldn't bury our heads in the sand. We should realize that the government isn't going to do anything to corporations who hire illegals so we the people have to quit allowing roofing companies to take US wages from our insurance companies then send a crew of wetbacks to our homes to replace the roof. We all know that Tyson meats and Tyson farms is a huge violator of US employment laws. Quit buying Tyson products and let that crap rot on the shelves of the grocery store. Find a local butcher born and raised in the US and buy your meat there. Find local farms and buy your milk and eggs from them. Only allow US citizens to repair your home. Check ID's and send them packing if they have even one illegal on the crew. That is all you and I can do to eliminate illegal immigration. Our elected officials won't do it for us.

I believe you have the right to choose just who you want to do home repairs and I personally don't buy food. I raise hunt or fish for mine.....I have no problems with legal immigrants either but the illegal needs to go home.....and remember that bad politicians are put into office by good people who don't vote....

REWBA wrote:

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Quit buying U.S. beef, U.S. pork, U.S. poultry, U.S. fruits, U.S. vegetables and anything else where the corporations in the U.S. hire undocumented workers to produce their product.
Raise your own beef, poultry, pork, fruits and veggies and send a migrant worker back home.

Considering only a mere 3% are working in agriculture (according to the Pew Hispanic Center), your comments are baseless and pointless.

http://www.cis.org/FirstQuarter2009Unemployme...

In Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that 3 percent of illegal immigrants work in agriculture (figure on page 26).

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/46.pdf

Who Knows wrote:

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Stop buying ag. products "just" to send them packing?
How about following immigration laws and if they are needed how about work visa's?
Not that difficult.

you ever tried a farm work visa? personally know anyone who has?

barry wrote:

<quoted text>you ever tried a farm work visa? personally know anyone who has?

It doesn't matter how hard (or not) it is. That's the legal way to do things. Follow the law or pay the price. They want to complain they can't get workers but they also don't want to follow the laws to get the workers they need.

Too bad for them.

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>I believe you have the right to choose just who you want to do home repairs

The insurance pays less if you do the work yourself but if you hire a roofing contractor...chances are he hires illegals to do the tear off and re-roof. Those who don't can't compete with those who do and when the hail tears up your roof, it's probably tore up everybody's roof so if you want your roof repaired by the insurance, you only have one year from the damage to get-r-done so you can't be too picky or you will be arse out.

positronium wrote:

<quoted text> and I personally don't buy food. I raise hunt or fish for mine.....

I grow everything I need except for wild cherry Lifesavers and Pepsi but they are products made by Americans in the USA. Oh, and I buy sugar from Hawaii and flour from Kansas. I also buy canola oil and olive oil but one comes from Canada and the other comes from Italy...I don't think they hire Mexicans to make it though.

positronium wrote:

<quoted text> I have no problems with legal immigrants either but the illegal needs to go home.....

I agree 100%

positronium wrote:

<quoted text> and remember that bad politicians are put into office by good people who don't vote....

Local elected officials are put into office by the people but the national elected officials are put into office by their corporate masters....good people have nothing to do with that because corporations hedge their bets by supporting both sides so they always have a dozen congressmen and a few senators in their pocket.

Rebel wrote:

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It doesn't matter how hard (or not) it is. That's the legal way to do things. Follow the law or pay the price. They want to complain they can't get workers but they also don't want to follow the laws to get the workers they need.
Too bad for them.

well then i don't know what you are going to eat. all of the food industry is touched by illegal immigration. don't bother to eat at any restraunts either. now you can go ahead and kill the ag business but then you'll be buying your food from mexico and the rest of the americas.

"They want to complain they can't get workers but they also
don't want to follow the laws to get the workers they need."

now you'll just have to explain yourself on that one. if there are not enough legal workers to work the fields, the slaughter houses then i suppose that you would rather shut them down and put the ones who are legal out of work, taking tax revenues away from the community and putting a greater burden on welfare. you just are so blind.

barry wrote:

<quoted text>well then i don't know what you are going to eat. all of the food industry is touched by illegal immigration. don't bother to eat at any restraunts either. now you can go ahead and kill the ag business but then you'll be buying your food from mexico and the rest of the americas.
"They want to complain they can't get workers but they also
don't want to follow the laws to get the workers they need."
now you'll just have to explain yourself on that one. if there are not enough legal workers to work the fields, the slaughter houses then i suppose that you would rather shut them down and put the ones who are legal out of work, taking tax revenues away from the community and putting a greater burden on welfare. you just are so blind.

LMAO! According to the Pew Hispanic Center, a mere 3% of illegal aliens are working in agriculture. The rest of the agriculture workers *are* legal, so it's obviously possible to do it the right way. Only *some* insist on using illegal labor and they should either clean up their act or go out of business.

What I meant by them not wanting to follow the laws is that there are always only a few jobs in each area listed for agriculture workers, yet by the way the farmers talk, they have NO ONE. If that were true, you'd see lots of ads for these workers.

Next, I am referring to H-2A visas. They can bring guest workers over on these visas to work their farms. However, they don't want to because it's costly and there's paperwork involved, as well as other requirements to meet (safe work conditions, and so on).

So the ones using illegal labor are the biggest scammers. Clean up or go out of business.

http://www.cis.org/FirstQuarter2009Unemployme...

In Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that 3 percent of illegal immigrants work in agriculture (figure on page 26).

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/46.pdf

Just for Barry:

Take into consideration the fact that this article discusses the percent of citizens who hold these jobs. The balance of the percentage consists of both legal *and* illegal workers.

Considering there's only 7,700,000 illegal aliens actually working, the percentage of illegal workers in each industry is small. We can live without illegal alien labor. Guaranteed...especially with all the citizens and legal residents out of work.

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0930-camarot...

Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look At Immigrant Employment By Occupation

This analysis tests the often-made argument that immigrants only do jobs Americans don’t want. If the argument is correct, there should be occupations comprised entirely or almost entirely of immigrants. But Census Bureau data collected from 2005 to 2007, which allow for very detailed analysis, show that even before the recession there were only a tiny number of majority-immigrant occupations.
Among the findings:

* Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans comprise 47 percent of workers in these occupations.

* Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant are in fact majority native-born:
o Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
o Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
o Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
o Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
o Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
o Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 71 percent native-born
o Janitors: 75 percent native-born

* There are 93 occupations in which 20 percent or more of workers are immigrants. These high-immigrant occupations are primarily, but not exclusively, lower-wage jobs that require relatively little formal education.

* There are 23.6 million natives in these high-immigrant occupations (20 percent or more immigrant). These occupations include 19 percent of all native workers.

* Most natives do not face significant job competition from immigrants; however, those who do tend to be less-educated and poorer than those who face relatively little competition from immigrants.

* In high-immigrant occupations, 57 percent of natives have no more than a high school education. In occupations that are less than 20 percent immigrant, 35 percent of natives have no more than a high school education. And in occupations that are less than 10 percent immigrant, only 26 percent of natives have no more than a high school education.

* In high-immigrant occupations the average wages and salary for natives is one-fourth lower than in occupations that are less than 20 percent immigrant.

* Some may believe that natives in high-immigrant occupations are older and that few young natives are willing to do that kind of work. But 33 percent of natives in these occupations are age 30 or younger. In occupations that are less than 20 percent immigrant, 28 percent of natives are 30 or younger.

* It is worth remembering that not all high-immigrant occupations are lower-skilled and lower-wage. For example, 44 percent of medical scientists are immigrants, as are 34 percent of software engineers, 27 percent of physicians, and 25 percent of chemists.

* It is also worth noting that a number of politically important groups tend to face very little job competition from immigrants. For example, just 10 percent of reporters are immigrants, as are only 6 percent of lawyers and judges and 3 percent of farmers and ranchers.

imagine that, a buisness owner didnt want to hire 4 angry black women...wow...i would rather hire hard working people that cant speak english than hire lazy people that show up late take way too many breaks and.... cant speak english

jusathought wrote:

imagine that, a buisness owner didnt want to hire 4 angry black women...wow...i would rather hire hard working people that cant speak english than hire lazy people that show up late take way too many breaks and.... cant speak english

They cannot possibly know if these women were lazy or not considering they never employed them. You are a bigot and obviously a racist against blacks -- you are stereotyping based on color.

It is illegal to hire illegal aliens. Thus, you'll just have to deal with legal workers. If they are slacking on the job, fire them and hire new ones.

People who cannot speak any English won't be able to communicate with the rest of your work force...unless you're only hiring illegal aliens, and then you should be put out of business for the felonies you're committing.