California Republicans release agenda on illegal immigration

America first wrote:

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Jim- you SO need to get out more!
The world has changed since your last look.
Immigration is a criminal enterprise now and it's all about the money.
Being "nice" shouldn't include condoning theft and criminal activity.

Try the truth sometimes. You need to get out more and see what US foreign policy is doing do create economic and political refugees. Try a trip south of the border for some realism. You guys make me laugh with your small world view. Look at the root problem, if you don't fix that you won't fix migration.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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Why do you people always assume that the current group of immigrants do not want to assimilate? That is incorrect. All the ones I know and see are working hard, taking English classes, paying taxes, going to college, buying homes and assimilating very well.
Why do you like branding people with distorted lies and untruths? Try playing nice, after all it is an American value, which might help you assimilate better into our way of life here in the United States.

A plethora of words with zero substance Jim..
Your website tells me all I would never want to know about you...http://mpjc.org/

as far as me assimilating into your way of life in the United States, no thank you..I have spent 68 years as an American and I'd be surprised if my productivity, my support of this Nation, my service to this Nation was not 10fold of what yours has been....

Harry Merkin wrote:

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This is not 100, 150 or 200 years ago.
Our schools are all being dumbed down where illegal immigrants show up. Proof... check out the test scores nation wide and see the demographics of the low scoring districts. Where there is a high proportion of Hispanics the scores are usually sub standard. Why? They teach in Spanglish. There should be a minimum requierment that new students be fluent in English. Like our kids would have to be if they went to a public school in any other country.

Precisely..........I will paste this again because it's pretty certain that Jim just doesnt want to admit what has happened to, what once was, one of the most progressive states in this Union..

"That pretty well sums up why I retired to another state after 60 years of watching California slowly go down the tubes..It isnt difficult to research where California stood in the nationwide stats on education, infrastructure, violence, etc etc etc, 30 years ago and compare with the modern day stats.. "

Look it up Jim, it won't be on that web site you worship...

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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Try the truth sometimes. You need to get out more and see what US foreign policy is doing do create economic and political refugees. Try a trip south of the border for some realism. You guys make me laugh with your small world view. Look at the root problem, if you don't fix that you won't fix migration.

Try being an American first and then a citizen of the world.
Your desires would spell the end of the United States.
You, sir, are a traitor.
I fought for America- not Meximerica!

Jim is clueless. Part of the "blame America for Mexico being a corrupt, feudal backwards dumpster" crowd. The US has nothing to do with Mexico's kleptocracy. The US has nothing to do with the corrupt politicians and patrones who keep the Mexican people down. The American people have no moral, ethical or political responsibility to bail out the Mexicans because they are incapable of getting their economic and political house in order after 175 years.

Guess what Jim?

The US has a massive half trillion dollar trade deficit with the rest of the world, including Mexico and Canada. It has grown wider with Nafta.

I know you hate America and think it is the epitome of evil, but the fact is the US is getting the raw end of the trade deals. The US is not rigging the world trade system to its benefit. It is the other way around. The trade deficit speaks for itself, and no imperial power, except America, would be so stupid as to rig the trade system to its detriment.

Of course, the right thing to do. But watch who opposes this the most. It will be decried as racist etc. Hog Wash! Reality is what it is. They did say (illegals).

The Left attacked what was RIGHT and now have to deal with what is LEFT! Reality, oh reality! After decades of failed social engineering, it's coming home to roost.

Cha-ching!

America in Decline wrote:

Jim is clueless. Part of the "blame America for Mexico being a corrupt, feudal backwards dumpster" crowd. The US has nothing to do with Mexico's kleptocracy. The US has nothing to do with the corrupt politicians and patrones who keep the Mexican people down. The American people have no moral, ethical or political responsibility to bail out the Mexicans because they are incapable of getting their economic and political house in order after 175 years.
Guess what Jim?
The US has a massive half trillion dollar trade deficit with the rest of the world, including Mexico and Canada. It has grown wider with Nafta.
I know you hate America and think it is the epitome of evil, but the fact is the US is getting the raw end of the trade deals. The US is not rigging the world trade system to its benefit. It is the other way around. The trade deficit speaks for itself, and no imperial power, except America, would be so stupid as to rig the trade system to its detriment.

I think it is wonderful that you realize the deficit of this country, but what you fail to mention is the staggering profits of the corporations. You can continue down your misguided path, but it is the path that is destroying American. We have become a country designed to serve corporations not the people. And while our nation, schools and towns go bankrupt our corporations get wealthier. Go figure. Why does that happen. The system is designed to use low wage workers and to destroy worker unions, the system is designed to take advantage of displaced workers. Fix the system.

Still think there is no Reconquista agenda?
Check out what these so called Americans have to say.

We have a mayor of Los Angeles, a speaker of to CA. state assembly, two professors, a Chairman of CA. Democratic Party, a CA. state Senator…( don’t know if they currently hold these positions)

http://nau.vodpod.com/video/1021472-the-natio...

America first wrote:

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Try being an American first and then a citizen of the world.
Your desires would spell the end of the United States.
You, sir, are a traitor.
I fought for America- not Meximerica!

America First
Well as we type away debating the correct course of action, need I remind you of the staggering debt of the US and the unprecedented dramatic increase in corporate profit. Try asking yourself why this is. Once you start seeing and understanding the the pattern of globalization destruction you see that this debate of migrants is just very small part of a much bigger scheme of things which is built into the capitalist system, migrants...low wages...high profits. This is what is driving the American government into the race for the bottom. All industrialized nations have migrant problems it is what the system produces. The globalized capitalist system displaces workers which drives down wages and forces migrants to look for sustainable work anywhere possible. I'm not expecting you to believe me, but like gravity, you don't need to believe, it happens anyway.

Of course you realize that migration has increased every year no matter what steps they take at the border , and has since NAFTA, 6 million migrants have come to work. So, if you want to fix the migration problem then fix the root causes...of the SYSTEM that produces it. It is not that hard of a concept, mechanics use that same logical thought process everyday to fix cars. Get to the root of the problem!

Hi Jim Geraghty,

Is it fair to jump the immigration line?

Jim, you are still clueless.

What is a corporation? Almost every business in the US is a corporation or is incorporated. 2/3 of American businesses are small businesses. A big chunk of businesses in the US fail every year.

And, if a business makes a profit, so what? If a homeowner makes money on his home, is he bad and evil? Is a farmowner who sells produce at the market and makes a profit, bad and evil?

Now, it is a nice left-wing sound bite to blame every problem in America on business or corporations.

Corporations don't have the right to vote, people do, and if people abdicate their democratic responsibilities to corporations, then they are self-deluded. Americans have to be responsible for their own government and pinning blame on "the other" is irresponsible.

You say that American corporations are making record profits, yet these same corporations are looking for investors from sovereign wealth funds in the developing world to prop themselves up. In fact, the US is being taken over by Saudi Arabia, UAE, China, Singapore, Korea, Russia and multi-nationals from Canada, the UK and Europe. And our American labor force is being replaced by outsourcing and cheaper migrant labor.

As for your rant about labor migration, that is not a world-wide problem as you claim. It is mostly an American problem, because the southern half of the western hemisphere have governments that are backwards and corrupt, so the people flock here instead of taking responsibility for their own governments and own ruling class who exploits them.

Tell me where else massive illegal labor migration is happening. Only the US tolerates 13 million illegal immigrants plus allowing 1 million legal immgrants into this country. And I agree with you, that depresses American wages and undermines the working and middle classes in the US. It also undermines our environment and uses up natural and government resources we don't have.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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I think it is wonderful that you realize the deficit of this country, but what you fail to mention is the staggering profits of the corporations. You can continue down your misguided path, but it is the path that is destroying American. We have become a country designed to serve corporations not the people. And while our nation, schools and towns go bankrupt our corporations get wealthier. Go figure. Why does that happen. The system is designed to use low wage workers and to destroy worker unions, the system is designed to take advantage of displaced workers. Fix the system.

Free Speech for All wrote:

Hi Jim Geraghty,
Is it fair to jump the immigration line?

Go to Mexico, ask for a visa, and find out. Last I checked the store was closed, so there is no legal way to get here, which is what the "globalization system" wants. Hence, marginalized people and depressed wages. 20 Million here without documents, and another 30 million here with visas... wow 50 million foreign workers all marginalized all being kept in place by threats of the law, which is what keeps the wages low. That is not by accident, that system is by design.

How is the "fence' going on the border? You are being placated with an image of security that actually does nothing than line the bank accounts of the big multinational corporations (in cahots with Bush and Cheney)...you are being duped. The fence goes along the border, but whoops when it comes up to a country club...no fence there, then more fence...what a sham.

The root problem of migration needs to be addressed, and that is displaced workers. Deal with that and the problem will be improved greatly. This ain't rocket science.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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Why do you people always assume that the current group of immigrants do not want to assimilate? That is incorrect. All the ones I know and see are working hard, taking English classes, paying taxes, going to college, buying homes and assimilating very well.
Why do you like branding people with distorted lies and untruths? Try playing nice, after all it is an American value, which might help you assimilate better into our way of life here in the United States.

Do you ever get down to Compton ese? Have you been to McAllen Tx where 75% of the people are illegal, the schools are some of the worst in the world, and the latest cottage industry is kidnapping? Have you ever taken your sick kid to the hospital and had a 10 hour wait because the hospital was overwhelmed with swarms of illegals? Have your ever been replaced from your job by a younger, cheaper illegal? Have you ever had your wages drop in half because of being undercut by illegal workers?

I am so sick of ivory tower, armchair "thinkers" condescendingly spouting asinine theories about immigration policy while the silent majority has to battle the invaders every day. Most of the invaders hate education. These people are uneducated and machismo. They want to re-create their own third world paradise which to me is a nightmare.

The unintelligentsia of this country are drunk on their own kool-aid. They cannot tell the difference between legal immigration and unlawful invaders. Anyway when the bullets start flying, the sissy liberals will have to get a big, strong cabron to protect them.

MORPHEUS wrote:

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Do you ever get down to Compton ese? Have you been to McAllen Tx where 75% of the people are illegal, the schools are some of the worst in the world, and the latest cottage industry is kidnapping? Have you ever taken your sick kid to the hospital and had a 10 hour wait because the hospital was overwhelmed with swarms of illegals? Have your ever been replaced from your job by a younger, cheaper illegal? Have you ever had your wages drop in half because of being undercut by illegal workers?
I am so sick of ivory tower, armchair "thinkers" condescendingly spouting asinine theories about immigration policy while the silent majority has to battle the invaders every day. Most of the invaders hate education. These people are uneducated and machismo. They want to re-create their own third world paradise which to me is a nightmare.
The unintelligentsia of this country are drunk on their own kool-aid. They cannot tell the difference between legal immigration and unlawful invaders. Anyway when the bullets start flying, the sissy liberals will have to get a big, strong cabron to protect them.

Yo MORPHEUS
We are not disagreeing on impact. Are you just looking for a fight? I was down to McAllen Texas, and next week I'm going to the Arizona border.

You and I differ on the solution and the cause, but like I said before, the cause and solution are like gravity, you don't have to believe, but it is gonna happen anyway.

You understand what I mean when I talk about the root cause of immigration and the reason for any type of worldwide migration, right? That is not pie-in-the-sky theory, these are proven facts my brother. People move because of displacement plain and simple, to stop displacement you must remove the cause of the displacement. So build as high a fence as you would like, it ain't gonna stop them. In fact the numbers have been increasing the more NAFTA and CAFTA type foreign policy affects our neighbors. The facts are out there.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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Go to Mexico, ask for a visa, and find out. Last I checked the store was closed, so there is no legal way to get here, which is what the "globalization system" wants. Hence, marginalized people and depressed wages. 20 Million here without documents, and another 30 million here with visas... wow 50 million foreign workers all marginalized all being kept in place by threats of the law, which is what keeps the wages low. That is not by accident, that system is by design.
How is the "fence' going on the border? You are being placated with an image of security that actually does nothing than line the bank accounts of the big multinational corporations (in cahots with Bush and Cheney)...you are being duped. The fence goes along the border, but whoops when it comes up to a country club...no fence there, then more fence...what a sham.
The root problem of migration needs to be addressed, and that is displaced workers. Deal with that and the problem will be improved greatly. This ain't rocket science.

That really dosn't address my question...

There is a large number of folks waiting for a visa who are still waiting. As long as there are economic refugees trying to get into the US do we want line jumpers or law abiders? Do you honestly think we can absorb billions of the worlds poor into this county?

I take it from your answer you fell its fair to jump the line. please let me know if I misread you.

As for the fence its not going. It looks pretty much like it did when they started it. From my perspective a better idea would be to sieze the assets of anyone who hires ileagle workers and then sell the assets off, much like asset forfiture laws used for the war on drugs. That would fix the evil corporations, right?

Free Speech for All wrote:

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That really dosn't address my question...
There is a large number of folks waiting for a visa who are still waiting. As long as there are economic refugees trying to get into the US do we want line jumpers or law abiders? Do you honestly think we can absorb billions of the worlds poor into this county?
I take it from your answer you fell its fair to jump the line. please let me know if I misread you.
As for the fence its not going. It looks pretty much like it did when they started it. From my perspective a better idea would be to sieze the assets of anyone who hires ileagle workers and then sell the assets off, much like asset forfiture laws used for the war on drugs. That would fix the evil corporations, right?

The point is, it doesn't matter one iota what I think about what you call "line jumpers". I would hope our goal would be to look for solutions for the displaced workers so we stop the origin of the migrants "push affect". Without that everything else is just chatter and static.

Last I checked the war on drugs was being lost, and we the tax payers are paying through the nose for another failed policy. So that model is not attractive to me, plus the "corporate players" are calling the shots, they might let a few get caught in the "pretend round-up", but laws would change to support their agenda. The Washington lobbyist are in control my brother.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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The point is, it doesn't matter one iota what I think about what you call "line jumpers". I would hope our goal would be to look for solutions for the displaced workers so we stop the origin of the migrants "push affect". Without that everything else is just chatter and static.
Last I checked the war on drugs was being lost, and we the tax payers are paying through the nose for another failed policy. So that model is not attractive to me, plus the "corporate players" are calling the shots, they might let a few get caught in the "pretend round-up", but laws would change to support their agenda. The Washington lobbyist are in control my brother.

The whole political superstructure of this country is sacrificing its own people in the name of shabby elitism. The whole system needs to be rehabilitated.

Jim Geraghty wrote:

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The point is, it doesn't matter one iota what I think about what you call "line jumpers". I would hope our goal would be to look for solutions for the displaced workers so we stop the origin of the migrants "push affect". Without that everything else is just chatter and static.
Last I checked the war on drugs was being lost, and we the tax payers are paying through the nose for another failed policy. So that model is not attractive to me, plus the "corporate players" are calling the shots, they might let a few get caught in the "pretend round-up", but laws would change to support their agenda. The Washington lobbyist are in control my brother.

The war on drugs is being lost but they are making tons off asset forfiture (hmm maybe that is the goal). The risk of losing a biz. would be enough to scare most owners into hiring leagal workers. No round up is nessesary, no work = no illeagle immigration. The downward pressure on wages will last as long as poor folks are coming into the USA illeagly al "The Grapes of Wrath". If we fix Mexico's economy El Salvidor will still be there. There are still going to be billions of folks that want into the USA from all over the world, do you think we can absorb them all or fix every nations economic/population issues? We need a solution that addresses those bizs that profit by exploiting cheap labor.

I agree with you that corp. lobbists are calling the shots, how do we reform DC?

Free Speech for All wrote:

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The war on drugs is being lost but they are making tons off asset forfiture (hmm maybe that is the goal). The risk of losing a biz. would be enough to scare most owners into hiring leagal workers. No round up is nessesary, no work = no illeagle immigration. The downward pressure on wages will last as long as poor folks are coming into the USA illeagly al "The Grapes of Wrath". If we fix Mexico's economy El Salvidor will still be there. There are still going to be billions of folks that want into the USA from all over the world, do you think we can absorb them all or fix every nations economic/population issues? We need a solution that addresses those bizs that profit by exploiting cheap labor.
I agree with you that corp. lobbists are calling the shots, how do we reform DC?

Everyone keeps saying, "we can't save the world". I never said we should. What I do say is, we, the US Foreign Policy and multinational corporations, needs to stop screwing up the world via trade agreements and useless military intervention.

My God, 130 military bases worldwide, and most just to protect resource thieving, low wage hunting multinationals. Last time I looked, even the conservatives didn't support big government welfare to corporations (let the market determine). But correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunately, the unsustainable lifestyle in the US is "demanding" cheap goods (Walmart, China, Mexico etc) which supports the system of cheap labor, depressed wages and migration of displaced workers. The system is strangling the worker, all workers including the US worker. Start voting your interests instead of what Rush says.

We cannot continue to live unsustainable lifestyles and then complain about the intended and unintended consequences of the system that serves us.

It is time to take responsibility for what we have created and start fixing the root problems, not the world. We need accountability and responsibility for what our lifestyles create. There ain't no free lunch as my conservative friends like to say.

Free Speech for All wrote:

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The war on drugs is being lost but they are making tons off asset forfiture (hmm maybe that is the goal). The risk of losing a biz. would be enough to scare most owners into hiring leagal workers. No round up is nessesary, no work = no illeagle immigration. The downward pressure on wages will last as long as poor folks are coming into the USA illeagly al "The Grapes of Wrath". If we fix Mexico's economy El Salvidor will still be there. There are still going to be billions of folks that want into the USA from all over the world, do you think we can absorb them all or fix every nations economic/population issues? We need a solution that addresses those bizs that profit by exploiting cheap labor.
I agree with you that corp. lobbists are calling the shots, how do we reform DC?

Oh, just a quick note on the drug war. The forfeiture of property in drug cases goes to help sustain the prison industrial complex, which is one of the largest growing sectors in the economy. Most drug offenders are non-violent end users and the war on drugs biggest benefit...the bloated prison system, largest in the world and growing at a phenomenal rate. Do some research on that if you want to find some astonishing facts and find out who is making the money. Follow the profits, see who the lobbyists are, who are in fact the ones writing laws to keep the war on drugs going.

A vicious cycle of waste and destruction of families.

Another great example of big government propelled by private Wall Streeters. Explain to me why Wall St. gets welfare and people in need don't.

Priorities, priorities...priorities!

Welcome to the United Corporations of America!