Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs

Alz wrote:

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Okay, let's try your logic for a second.
Bush cut all marginal tax RATES.
So let me get this straight: you think that by raising tax rates now that it will help the economy?
Common sense says that when you tax something you get less of whatever you are taxing over time.
We need the economy to grow.
Your logic is flawed. I'm glad I could help!

You use the same logic Bush did and look where it got us. Let's give back the "gift" and take things from there.

Jon24 wrote:

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Except if you actually knew what you were talking about. You would know that the 2nd quarter of 08 saw the federal government take in more tax revenue than EVER BEFORE. Instead of Hating W you might want to find someone to explain the Community Reinvestment act. Maybe you can explain how government officials that are paid 500k a year, end up making 6 million in 6 years. Then you might understand what kind of things led to the economy collapse. Ask why the government let gas prices go to 4.50 for political gain.

Of course, they took in more. The wealthy and greedy were throwing their money in the stock market..thereby increasing Capital Gains. We all know what that accomplished.

I'm not aligned with either major political party. I do not hate Bush and I will be the first to agree that the Democrats CONTRIBUTED to the economic collapse. You seem to think Bush was innocent...he was not.

Bill_S wrote:

All aboard the Swift Boat wrote:
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No kidding. Wait 'til Chris Christie shocks NJ... "Things changed."

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Yeah we will see.
Funny thing is the people voted democrats for what last 8 or was it 12 years. Now the voted LOUD AND CLEAR they are tired of the lies of the democrats.

Well, we'll see if they like Christie's brand of lies any better.

If he wasn't an AG, he'd probably be in jail.

Mac-7 wrote:

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If Christie raises taxes I don't think the voters who elected him will be pleased.
Do think he will raise taxes?

It's either that or gut state services and kick the can for service (and tax) mandates down to municipalities.

Just like Bush did from federal to states.

What a surprise.

Not.

SUCKERS!

2008bill wrote:

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For the 40-11th time, we are at the beginning of the worst recession in 35 years, and in reality this one is actually worse because trying to compare the hard working, un-spoiled, basic needs oriented families to the materialistic, flamboyant, WANT oriented families of today that need a multitude of expensive and unnecessary toys in order to feel worthwhile in their lives, does not present an accurate comparison.
If you ......

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Well Bill you right in some ways and in some I think it could go a little different way! I come from the same era …. Our toys were sticks, frogs, bugs and puppies! I can still remember the only time you could watch a cartoon was before the drive Inn movie started! They came to Saturday morning were you got two that lasted a half an hour after church, news or system signal that consisted of the broadcast letters and white noise! We were stepping in tall cotton when we got our tube, we had three channels ….. I dint understand what I was seeing and would rather be fishing or hunting!
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I live a mile apart from you son, there are still outhouses were I am from, our roads are gravel and we still haul water in some areas! We eat more game than ground beef and we believe in fishing for food not for fun! I have ate everything that walks or crawls in this country…. With a little salt and seasoning everything taste good! I could take group out into the hills or river bottoms and survive for awhile but I am not as young as I used to be…… but I have taught a lot of good sons and daughters what they need to do when its time!
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Those founding father values still survive out hear in the country and we have not sold completely out….. Just because we have a computer in the outhouse don’t me were not civilized! We stay away from the city as much as we can and we fight that there dysfunctional legal system tooth n nail out here! We have a hole different justice system for sex offenders…. We just throw there castrated bodies in the hog pins! As for the robbers and murderers we have a sheriff that takes care of it when he can get to them before we do! If your in a feud with someone everyone else stays out until it start to hurt the town…… then we have a meeting about it and it gets settled right then!
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I don’t know anything about our country starting anything with Islamic countries that they didn’t first do something that was wrong! When we signed up in the military we took our oaths and kept them! We waded through what ever shtt we had to just to get back home! The good thing about it we were taught a thing or two as a child about surviving in the wild and ambushing prey! When we go to killing we do a damn good job of it! I have one big enemy and that’s the government….. They better not come out in the country and start going against the very people that can win a war for them we they need us!

EasyEed wrote:

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"2008bill"
7.2% under Bush. 10.2% under Nobama. Jeepers Nobama has increased the unemployment by more than 40% in just under 10 months. What an accomplishment. That come out to close to 5 million new folks with out jobs. Great job.
Peace

I hate to break you bubble, but from 7.2 to 10.2 is a 30% increase not 40% as you claim. I now you are trying to do what FOX NEWS teachers, but on this forum we don't pre-screen phone calls as is done with Rush and Hannity. I have given up trying to get through to either one of them. LOL!

Mac-7 wrote:

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"I didn't need the Bush tax cut.."
And I don't need Obama's free healthcare.
Our economic downfall was not due to letting Americans keep more of their own money.
Because revenues to the government went up instead of down under the Bush tax cuts.
Our economic problems are caused by the wipe-every-nose welfare state under Republicans and Democrats spending too much money.

I think you are forgetting the "I want it all, I want it NOW" mentality of middle America that caused the largest personal debt ration in the history of America, and an average saving of ZERO for the average American. Trying to blame it all on the poor is a typical trick used by people who live above their means. They have to blame it on someone else, they can never take responsibility and be accountable for themselves.

Let us remember Bush did not give us 10% unemployment we can than mr. obama for that and for putting our grandchildren, great grandchildren, & etc in debt.

If the presidential election were held again today, bo would NOT win! People are finally looking with their eyes open at this man!

Gregory Scott wrote:

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There are only 2 or 5 of the 30 people on a thread that think different than the rest of us.... and they cant see it. everyone else is wrong and there way of thinking is right...

Gee, Wonder how many people thought the world was flat before it was discovered to be round?? LOL!

Dean Martin wrote:

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Good for you. Self-discovery is the first step toward rehabilitation and a productive life in the spirit of the American way.
I have faith that in 100 or 200 years, there may be hope for you.
And just imagine your future....you'll somehow magically develop some semblance of intellectual honesty. You'll magically develop -- despite your likely-irreverisble black racist bias -- an ability, albeit magically delicious, to criticize radical and worthless liars and unAmerican so-called "leaders" who seek to trample the Constitution to impose tyrannical government against the will of the people. They who seek to rule rather than represent.
Yes, a mere 200 years from now, all of this can be yours. Start taking your vitamins.
Lest I forget, all is not black, despite your views to the contrary.

Hey quit hogging all the spam and peanuts. Save some for the others, they will get jealous!

BTW I have forgot more about human behavior/psychology/communicat ions than you could ever learn in your lifetime. But if you make yourself feel worthwhile with our postings, please continue.

Bill_S wrote:

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Hi Dean how's it going tonight?

One of his many "sock puppets"...you and him come from the same dysfunctional mold, which is why you get along so well. Forgive me for expressing my opinion.

2008bill wrote:

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I think you are forgetting the "I want it all, I want it NOW" mentality of middle America that caused the largest personal debt ration in the history of America, and an average saving of ZERO for the average American. Trying to blame it all on the poor is a typical trick used by people who live above their means. They have to blame it on someone else, they can never take responsibility and be accountable for themselves.

So "Living above your means" is wanting to keep the fruits of your labor?
DOLT!

2008bill wrote:

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I hate to break you bubble, but from 7.2 to 10.2 is a 30% increase not 40% as you claim. I now you are trying to do what FOX NEWS teachers, but on this forum we don't pre-screen phone calls as is done with Rush and Hannity. I have given up trying to get through to either one of them. LOL!

Sounds like you're doing Al Gore style math. The increase from 7.2 to 10.2 is actually a 41.66% increase.

Here's how you do it: end number minus beginning number and then divide that answer by that beginning number (E-B/B)

answer wrote:

Let us remember Bush did not give us 10% unemployment we can than mr. obama for that and for putting our grandchildren, great grandchildren, & etc in debt.
If the presidential election were held again today, bo would NOT win! People are finally looking with their eyes open at this man!

Yes, you are right Bush did not, it was with Reagan that we had 10.8% unemployment which you forget so easily. Not don't play the blame it on Carter game. Remember Obama is not supposed to blame Bush. LOL!

2008bill wrote:

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I hate to break you bubble, but from 7.2 to 10.2 is a 30% increase not 40% as you claim. I now you are trying to do what FOX NEWS teachers, but on this forum we don't pre-screen phone calls as is done with Rush and Hannity. I have given up trying to get through to either one of them. LOL!

"2008bill"
A little simple math for you. Take 7.2 and take it times 41.5% You will get 2.98. Add that to 7.2 and you have answer of 10.18%, Get it? No? Not a surprise.
Peace

WASHINGTON — Defying the Obama administration, the House Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to remove from the USA Patriot Act a tool for tracking non-U.S. citizens in anti-terrorism investigations.

The committee, dominated by Democratic liberals, also voted to amend the anti-terrorism law to curb the government's surveillance and seizure powers.

The bill went to the full House on a 16-10 vote along party lines, with Republicans casting all the votes in opposition. GOP lawmakers said the legislation would hinder law enforcement and intelligence agencies in fighting terrorism.

The legislation would allow the Patriot Act's never-used "lone wolf" section to expire at the end of the year. The provision permits the government to spy on non-Americans even when they're not linked to a recognized terrorist group.

The Justice Department has asked that the "lone wolf" authority be continued, even though it hasn't been needed yet. Patriot Act revisions before the Senate would retain the tool, but the House Democrats said normal criminal investigative tools could be used instead.

Three sections of the Patriot Act expire at year's end, giving lawmakers the opportunity to amend the law.

Congressional liberals believe the act tilts too far in favor of law enforcement and intelligence agencies while failing to protect Americans' privacy against government snooping and seizures.

The bill before the Senate, approved by that chamber's Judiciary Committee, would make it easier than the House legislation for authorities to obtain tangible items, including business and library records, and conduct wiretaps.

In addition to eliminating the "lone wolf" language the House bill would place restrictions on national security letters, which are FBI demands for information that do not need a judge's approval.

Liberal lawmakers argue that restrictions on court-ordered seizures mean little unless there are curbs on the FBI's authority to issue the letters.

Under the bill, before issuing national security letters the FBI would be required to demonstrate that the information requested is connected to a foreign power or its agent.

The bill also would force the government to justify to a judge the need for a gag order, which prevents the recipient of the letter from disclosing it.

The Justice Department inspector general has reported that the FBI in the past improperly collected and retained improper information from the security letters.

The House bill's curtailment of some government authority is certain to upset law enforcement and intelligence officials, but sponsors only need a simple majority to pass it.

The 100-member Senate needs 60 votes to advance a bill, and the compromise bill before that chamber — crafted by Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and others — was designed to overcome that hurdle.

A wildcard in the debate is the Obama administration's Justice Department. So far, the department's only public stance been to seek continuation of the three expiring sections. Several lawmakers demanded that the Obama administration provide it's position on the changes.

The House bill's also would:

_Require the government, in requesting a roving wiretap, to demonstrate to a judge that the target is a single person. This would avoid a fishing expedition that could ensnare innocent people, supporters say.

_Require the government to produce more evidence to a court than currently needed, in order to obtain records from businesses, libraries and booksellers. An even higher standard would be needed for obtaining library and bookstore records.

_Set a December 2013 expiration for the roving wiretap and records seizure sections. Congress would have to revisit the legislation to keep those sections in force.

All aboard the Swift Boat wrote:

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It's either that or gut state services and kick the can for service (and tax) mandates down to municipalities.
Just like Bush did from federal to states.
What a surprise.
Not.
SUCKERS!

I've never understood the logic of the feds taking money from the states and then making the states beg and jump through hoops to get their money back.

America will never have enough money to wipe every nose no matter how much some people think we should.

2008bill wrote:

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Trying to blame it all on the poor is a typical trick used by people who live above their means.

They have to blame it on someone else, they can never take responsibility and be accountable for themselves.

I don't blame it all on the poor.

But social services to the poor consume ever more of our national and state budgets.

It's odd that you think the middle class should be made accountable for their actions just because they want to keep more of the money they earn but don't want to hold the poor accountable for demanding money that they didn't earn.

ENOCH WALKS WITH GOD wrote:

WASHINGTON — Defying the Obama administration, the House Judiciary Committee voted Thursday to remove from the USA Patriot Act a tool for tracking non-U.S. citizens in anti-terrorism investigations.
The committee, dominated by Democratic liberals, also voted to amend the anti-terrorism law to curb the government's surveillance and seizure powers.
The bill went to the full House on a 16-10 vote along party lines, with Republicans casting all the votes in opposition. GOP lawmakers said the legislation would hinder law enforcement and intelligence agencies in fighting terrorism.
The legislation would allow the Patriot Act's never-used "lone wolf" section to expire at the end of the year. The provision permits the government to spy on non-Americans even when they're not linked to a recognized terrorist group.
The Justice Department has asked that the "lone wolf" authority be continued, even though it hasn't been needed yet. Patriot Act revisions before the Senate would retain the tool, but the House Democrats said normal criminal investigative tools could be used instead.
Three sections of the Patriot Act expire at year's end, giving lawmakers the opportunity to amend the law.
Congressional liberals believe the act tilts too far in favor of law enforcement and intelligence agencies while failing to protect Americans' privacy against government snooping and seizures.
The bill before the Senate, approved by that chamber's Judiciary Committee, would make it easier than the House legislation for authorities to obtain tangible items, including business and library records, and conduct wiretaps.
In addition to eliminating the "lone wolf" language the House bill would place restrictions on national security letters, which are FBI demands for information that do not need a judge's approval.
Liberal lawmakers argue that restrictions on court-ordered seizures mean little unless there are curbs on the FBI's authority to issue the letters.
Under the bill, before issuing national security letters the FBI would be required to demonstrate that the information requested is connected to a foreign power or its agent.
The bill also would force the government to justify to a judge the need for a gag order, which prevents the recipient of the letter from disclosing it.
The Justice Department inspector general has reported that the FBI in the past improperly collected and retained improper information from the security letters.
The House bill's curtailment of some government authority is certain to upset law enforcement and intelligence officials, but sponsors only need a simple majority to pass it.
The 100-member Senate needs 60 votes to advance a bill, and the compromise bill before that chamber — crafted by Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and others — was designed to overcome that hurdle.
A wildcard in the debate is the Obama administration's Justice Department. So far, the department's only public stance been to seek continuation of the three expiring sections. Several lawmakers demanded that the Obama administration provide it's position on the changes.
The House bill's also would:
_Require the government, in requesting a roving wiretap, to demonstrate to a judge that the target is a single person. This would avoid a fishing expedition that could ensnare innocent people, supporters say.
_Require the government to produce more evidence to a court than currently needed, in order to obtain records from businesses, libraries and booksellers. An even higher standard would be needed for obtaining library and bookstore records.
_Set a December 2013 expiration for the roving wiretap and records seizure sections. Congress would have to revisit the legislation to keep those sections in force.

Enoch, thank you for the post. I'm going to re-post it on another forum. Hope you don't mind.

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