Gov. Crist drops support of offshore drilling ban

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JMD wrote:

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ONSHORE west of Havana ... ONSHORE .... and its to develop ONSHORE resources, not to drill offshore. Since you know so much, explain why you think China would drill offshore if Cuba has a already has a contract with Petrobras in Brazil to search in the Gulf of Mexico?

Re-read my post- I said on the island and I said they were experimenting in the area on Cuba to determine if water drilling was an option. And why would I know anything about China's reasons for drilling in a particular field- I know you Comrades keep in touch so you tell me. Note, back in 2004, China's Petrochemical Corporation known as Sinopec signed a memorandum of understanding with Cuba's national oil company, known as Cupet to explore four oil blocks in Cuba. Keep in mind that both of these companies are owned by their communist governments. China's Sinopec conducted six months of geological studies of the four Cuban blocks. This was the first attempt by Sinopec, China's second largest oil and gas company, to enter oil and gas exploration and production in Cuba. Still have issues,@sshole?

CrudeOil wrote:

Well since I've been scuba diving for almost 18 years, my position has always been that if there was ever a problem with an oil spill, the reefs could be negatively impacted and thus, I was always against drilling.
However, since I've had to stop diving, I've taken a closer look at potential for accidents from natural disasters, that and watching the ever escalating oil prices from our good friends over in the Big Sandbox, and started thinking that it's time we have to start thinking real hard about drilling for oil along our own coasts and inland & start building more refineries, it won't be an overnight thing, but the time has come to go in another direction.
Forget Obama and McCain, no matter who wins, I don't see much being done over the next 4 years and the American people will vote out whoever wins this year in 4 years, so it will fall to the next President to deal with.

It's always somebody else saying this and that.Today on pbs he someone said theres less than 2 1/2 years worth of oil off her coast.It'd be better to think something else up to no longer depend on forgein nations for fuel.I think everyone is using everything they can get till it's gone then go from there or either they think the world is coming to an end and just get what you can while before somebody else.And then that door will close.

evil dick wrote:

<quoted text>You are an idiot. Drilling in the US will make us less dependent on others while new technologies are developed. China will be drilling 60 miles off the coast of Key West. So why can't we?

Did I hear it said the terrorist tortured prisoners,so we could too?

Kahuna wrote:

<quoted text>Re-read my post- I said on the island and I said they were experimenting in the area on Cuba to determine if water drilling was an option. And why would I know anything about China's reasons for drilling in a particular field- I know you Comrades keep in touch so you tell me. Note, back in 2004, China's Petrochemical Corporation known as Sinopec signed a memorandum of understanding with Cuba's national oil company, known as Cupet to explore four oil blocks in Cuba. Keep in mind that both of these companies are owned by their communist governments. China's Sinopec conducted six months of geological studies of the four Cuban blocks. This was the first attempt by Sinopec, China's second largest oil and gas company, to enter oil and gas exploration and production in Cuba. Still have issues,@sshole?

As a matter of fact I do still have issues ... the most recent one is your reading comprehension and/or retention skills.

See post#339 .... I know who Sinopec is.

Sinopec has no offshore drilling contract with Cuba at all. It does have a permit to drill on Cuban land .... AKA terra firma. The Congressional Research Service also states "While there has been some concern about China's potential involvement in offshore deepwater oil projects, its involvement in Cuba's oil sector has been focused on onshore oil extraction in Pinar del Rio proviince through its state-run China Petroleum and Chemical Corporation (Sinopec)".

Now with regard to your snarky little'comrade' comment .... anybody that sides with a man that stated "In my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda" should really keep personal insults to the bare minimum.

I love these forums ... it's like talking to a wall

It is a proven fact that drilling offshore will harm our coast and our dolphins. It is a proven fact that 39 dolphins stomach's insides imploded due to offshore drilling. This is because of the sonic boom connected to the drilling after effects. So, I think before we go killing our marine life that we need to think long and hard about making these types of decisions. People need to understand that there is no oil shortage. There is also places that we can drill on land to get oil but, drilling the waters is quicker. Who cares about the environment right? Who cares if our grandkids swim in polluted waters and never see a dolphin. It is time to stop and be sensible people!!

GOP Blows wrote:

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Your the IDIOT, CHina isnt drilling anywhere off the cost of Key West... stop getting your new from the propaganda channel FOX... Cheney retracted that story he made up.
Drilling of the cost wont help with the price of oil today! it would take at least 10 years for us to ge some oil and what about refineries!
Your a typical republican sheep, repeating all of FOX news talking points!

Look what you, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of congress don't know about the oil industry would fill libraries so I’m not even going there. These people even have the audacity to suggest the government nationalize oil refining, what they don’t know about that would fill some books. In fact they seem to know everything about everything except what they are getting paid for which they apparently don’t know anything about. Like most criminal con men the faster they speak the better the chance no one will notice they don’t know what they are talking about. How about a gag order congress?

sensible wrote:

It is a proven fact that drilling offshore will harm our coast and our dolphins. It is a proven fact that 39 dolphins stomach's insides imploded due to offshore drilling. This is because of the sonic boom connected to the drilling after effects. So, I think before we go killing our marine life that we need to think long and hard about making these types of decisions. People need to understand that there is no oil shortage. There is also places that we can drill on land to get oil but, drilling the waters is quicker. Who cares about the environment right? Who cares if our grandkids swim in polluted waters and never see a dolphin. It is time to stop and be sensible people!!

For one thing it's not true, they have been drilling here in Louisiana since the beginning and we’ve got more fish and wildlife than the whole state of Florida. I can't understand why people think it is fine to use petroleum products made in other places but refuse to contribute the slightest toward their own energy consumption. It’s time you deadbeats were forced to contribute to your own country and that goes for Arnold in California too.
If you don’t contribute you should be cut off from petroleum products.

MRLOUIS wrote:

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For one thing it's not true, they have been drilling here in Louisiana since the beginning and we’ve got more fish and wildlife than the whole state of Florida. I can't understand why people think it is fine to use petroleum products made in other places but refuse to contribute the slightest toward their own energy consumption. It’s time you deadbeats were forced to contribute to your own country and that goes for Arnold in California too.
If you don’t contribute you should be cut off from petroleum products.

So why does Texas have such a problem then? Why does Port Aransas, Mustang Island,etc. have such a problem with debrisincluding 5 gallon buckets oozing unidentified gray matter and empty buckets whose label says they once contained 'liquid viscosifier' for drilling muds? And what about the chemical drums labled 'Halliburton' along with other company names involved in drilling in the Gulf?

And speaking of drilling muds once they are discharged into the water they don't do away. It has been documented that drilling muds inhibit the growth of seagrasses and corals and have killed off the tiny creatures on the sea bottom that form the base of the food chain.

And let's not forget the wonderful pollutant from the wells called 'produced water'. It's a wonderful mixture of vanadium, copper and arsenic.

You are either lying or ignorant.

Regarding the drilling muds - it was supposed to say that once theey are discharged into the water they don't go away.

JMD wrote:

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As a matter of fact I do still have issues ... the most recent one is your reading comprehension and/or retention skills.
See post#339 .... I know who Sinopec is.
Sinopec has no offshore drilling contract with Cuba at all. It does have a permit to drill on Cuban land .... AKA terra firma. The Congressional Research Service also states "While there has been some concern about China's potential involvement in offshore deepwater oil projects, its involvement in Cuba's oil sector has been focused on onshore oil extraction in Pinar del Rio proviince through its state-run China Petroleum and Chemical Corporation (Sinopec)".
Now with regard to your snarky little'comrade' comment .... anybody that sides with a man that stated "In my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda" should really keep personal insults to the bare minimum.

Take your own advice about reading comprehension- I never wrote anything about China drilling or contracted to drill in openwater- I just said and say again that China has an arrangement with Cuba to explore for oil and is experimenting on the Isle of Castro regarding drilling in the gulf. I initially responded to your comments in which you attempted to beat up another's posting here by categorically asserting that China was not active in oil exploration in the gulf. Do you have special insight or knowledge to refute my posts or not?

Kahuna wrote:

<quoted text>Take your own advice about reading comprehension- I never wrote anything about China drilling or contracted to drill in openwater- I just said and say again that China has an arrangement with Cuba to explore for oil and is experimenting on the Isle of Castro regarding drilling in the gulf. I initially responded to your comments in which you attempted to beat up another's posting here by categorically asserting that China was not active in oil exploration in the gulf. Do you have special insight or knowledge to refute my posts or not?

I think the fundamental problem here is that you don't understand the difference between offshore and onshore.

There is a country that has a lease or permit to explore and possibly drill offshore from Cuba and it's not China!

Look, if I can find the time to read and research this topic then you can too. Stop being such a lazy a*s and do it yourself. It wouldn't matter what insight, knowledge or anything else I provided because you have already made up your mind. See ya!

Kahuna wrote:

<quoted text>Take your own advice about reading comprehension- I never wrote anything about China drilling or contracted to drill in openwater- I just said and say again that China has an arrangement with Cuba to explore for oil and is experimenting on the Isle of Castro regarding drilling in the gulf. I initially responded to your comments in which you attempted to beat up another's posting here by categorically asserting that China was not active in oil exploration in the gulf. Do you have special insight or knowledge to refute my posts or not?

It's like talking to a wall.

Sailor Girl wrote:

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I think the fundamental problem here is that you don't understand the difference between offshore and onshore.
There is a country that has a lease or permit to explore and possibly drill offshore from Cuba and it's not China!
Look, if I can find the time to read and research this topic then you can too. Stop being such a lazy a*s and do it yourself. It wouldn't matter what insight, knowledge or anything else I provided because you have already made up your mind. See ya!

I noticed on another thread about this same subject that you said you were a marine biologist. My daughter is a senior in a high school with aspirations of becoming a marine biologist. Is there any particular field of marine biology that you advise she might want to specialize in?

JMD wrote:

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I noticed on another thread about this same subject that you said you were a marine biologist. My daughter is a senior in a high school with aspirations of becoming a marine biologist. Is there any particular field of marine biology that you advise she might want to specialize in?

Oh, don't even get me started. There are so many types of specializations but one that is very cool is marine biotechnology. I have a friend that's also a marine biologist and he's in the biomedical field.
Anyway, she has a long way to go.
Good luch and best wishes to her.

Sailor Girl wrote:

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I think the fundamental problem here is that you don't understand the difference between offshore and onshore.
There is a country that has a lease or permit to explore and possibly drill offshore from Cuba and it's not China!
Look, if I can find the time to read and research this topic then you can too. Stop being such a lazy a*s and do it yourself. It wouldn't matter what insight, knowledge or anything else I provided because you have already made up your mind. See ya!

You are mistaken comrade Open Port- Note AGAIN, and I quote,"Back in 2004, China's Petrochemical Corporation known as Sinopec signed a memorandum of understanding with Cuba's national oil company, known as Cupet to explore four oil blocks in Cuba. Keep in mind that both of these companies are owned by their communist governments. China's Sinopec conducted six months of geological studies of the four Cuban blocks. This was the first attempt by Sinopec, China's second largest oil and gas company, to enter oil and gas exploration and production in Cuba." I again never said that the Chi-Coms were drilling or had contracted to drill off shore- merely challenged your butt buddy from Miami that he did not know their intent and that China was exploring the "possibliities" ON CUBA- that would be ONSHORE you moron but you can't read their intent about offshore either. That is it. Get it? You don't know their intent either 'on' or 'off' shore, but since you and the other libs get your info form Move-on and CNN here is an article from: NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com)- "Plans for foreign oil companies, some from India and China, to drill off the cost of Cuba(that is offshore? no?) are prompting calls from lawmakers to ease environmental restrictions that prohibit coastal drilling in most of the U.S., according to a report Tuesday." So, there you have it from the 'source', not from me...
so where are your sources to refute mine?

Sailor Girl wrote:

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So why does Texas have such a problem then? Why does Port Aransas, Mustang Island,etc. have such a problem with debrisincluding 5 gallon buckets oozing unidentified gray matter and empty buckets whose label says they once contained 'liquid viscosifier' for drilling muds? And what about the chemical drums labled 'Halliburton' along with other company names involved in drilling in the Gulf?
And speaking of drilling muds once they are discharged into the water they don't do away. It has been documented that drilling muds inhibit the growth of seagrasses and corals and have killed off the tiny creatures on the sea bottom that form the base of the food chain.
And let's not forget the wonderful pollutant from the wells called 'produced water'. It's a wonderful mixture of vanadium, copper and arsenic.
You are either lying or ignorant.

There are also highway markers that have floated from South America, so what? You people kill me with your supposed knowledge of pollution and how it affects things. Vanadium,copper,and arsenic are totally natural and can be found in varying amounts EVERYWHERE! If you use a sensitive enough instrument it can be found in the water you drink right now. We are tired of your trumped up claims about the environment and oil production. We should take your computers away as you are too irresponsible to use the technology.

Gov Crist we belived in you and you ended up being a political hack selling your soul for a shot at the VP slot. When it becomes public that McCains chief startegist was behind the Enron loophole that pushed oil to $135 McCain wont have a shot anyway. Like the old commercail said Sorry Charlie you the wrong Tuna

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