Deadly tension on the roads — cars vs. bikes

i ride a bicycle .....a motorcycle.....

i drive a car .....a pickup truck.....and a hyway tractor truck...

it's the same problem on the roads.....self centered people who won't obey the law and don't have manners...

but of all of them the bicycle riders are the most arrogant lawbreakers....running stop signs and stoplights ...riding across crosswalks...riding on sidewalks,...riding two and three abreast,...blocking traffic,... and suddenly swerving into traffic...

bicycle riders want to have all the priviledges of a pedestrian and a motorvehicle,{which they are classed as}....and not follow the rules of either.

True. Bike riders are the worst, but that unpredictability by the other riders means that people are paranoid as hell about me when I'm riding.

People will always act upon impulse or how they are trained to react in an given situation. Few people ever re-learn how to ride a bike so we run around like when we were in the 5th grade buzzing between cars and avoiding stop signs. The more growing danger is the aging population of Boomed Babies now on Prozac either dangerously riding bikes or worse still driving crazy after all these years. Hey, I’m not even going to mention our parents who still drive all of us nuts. I prefer to be on the ocean- no cars, no bikes, no parents!

One canno't do the following in vehicles.....

Drive without a license, insurance, registration, training, reaching a certain age young/old etc.

Vehicle drivers pay, Taxes for roads, gas, luxury, tires, oil, fed, state, local, Etc.

What exactly do the bike (1,2,3,4 wheelers) users pay to use the roads??

There are signs that would have you share the road with bikes on rural roads, highways etc.
One sign I often see is " Vehicles beware of cyclists". Never a "bikes be aware of motor vehicles".

Motor vehicles are restricted to certain lanes
during their direction of travel. Bikes ride with their backs to traffic, ride in to traffic, split lanes etc..

Rules of the road should be the same for all users of the road.

noSpokes wrote:

One canno't do the following in vehicles.....
Drive without a license, insurance, registration, training, reaching a certain age young/old etc.
Vehicle drivers pay, Taxes for roads, gas, luxury, tires, oil, fed, state, local, Etc.
What exactly do the bike (1,2,3,4 wheelers) users pay to use the roads??
There are signs that would have you share the road with bikes on rural roads, highways etc.
One sign I often see is " Vehicles beware of cyclists". Never a "bikes be aware of motor vehicles".
Motor vehicles are restricted to certain lanes
during their direction of travel. Bikes ride with their backs to traffic, ride in to traffic, split lanes etc..
Rules of the road should be the same for all users of the road.

Hey, where do you live…..lala land?

noSpokes wrote:

One canno't do the following in vehicles.....
Drive without a license, insurance, registration, training, reaching a certain age young/old etc.
Vehicle drivers pay, Taxes for roads, gas, luxury, tires, oil, fed, state, local, Etc.
What exactly do the bike (1,2,3,4 wheelers) users pay to use the roads??
There are signs that would have you share the road with bikes on rural roads, highways etc.
One sign I often see is " Vehicles beware of cyclists". Never a "bikes be aware of motor vehicles".
Motor vehicles are restricted to certain lanes
during their direction of travel. Bikes ride with their backs to traffic, ride in to traffic, split lanes etc..
Rules of the road should be the same for all users of the road.

they are the same.....the bicycle is considered a motor vehicle in the motor vehicle codebook...
thats why it's against the law to ride on sidewalks with it..

...on the other hand those motorized scooters are supposed to be on the sidewalks and not on the street, by law...

problem is;....there's no enforcement when bicycle riders break the law...when have you ever heard of, or seen, a bicycle rider get a ticket for anything....

i sit in my house eating dinner beside a window that faces a stop sign...crosswalk and side walk,and watch the bicycle riders;... run the stop sign...ride across the crosswalk....and ride up the sidwalk...3 violations per bike...they might not sound serious ...but could cause a big accident involving cars.

a special police unit with a big van specifically targeting bicycle violations should be used....
you find a violater....put their bike in the van....take it to the impound....and when they pay their fine they get it back...

yuh gotta get tough if you want results..

same with other vehicle drivers.....act like a bonehead lose your license and your car.

The bicycle gangs are impeding traffic deliberately, especially those in San Fransicko.

I toast with friends with a glass of Drambui each time one of these a-holes bites the pavement and is jettisoned out of her/his bicycle shorts. Two glasses are emptied and 'hi-fives' are exchanged when a bike is wrapped around oone of them.

Dover wrote:

The bicycle gangs are impeding traffic deliberately, especially those in San Fransicko.
I toast with friends with a glass of Drambui each time one of these a-holes bites the pavement and is jettisoned out of her/his bicycle shorts. Two glasses are emptied and 'hi-fives' are exchanged when a bike is wrapped around oone of them.

I think you're an jerkoff.
You laugh when bicycle riders die. Do you get a really good laugh when pedestrians die? Maybe when a transit bus crashes you guys have a kegger.

There are new bike lanes here and objects appear to be deliberately placed in them -- the Asian-American culture is relatively recent and such residents number among the bikers who ride through clusters of retirement complexes. [in Stuart, FL]

Auto drivers are no less ignorant than inexperienced bicyclists.

8 out of 10 drivers actually believe that bicycles belong on the sidewalk and not the street when in fact they are required by law to drive in the street, as close to the right as possible while still remaining on the pavement and obey all the traffic laws that a vehicle would.

It is even a daily happening that they yell at you to get on the sidewalk. They do not look in their mirror before opening their car door.

They have no problem slamming into a bicyclist and "teaching them a lesson" because they are under the errant impression that cyclists are already in the wrong by being in the street.

The state drivers manual or the drivers test mentions not one word about bicyclists on the street.

Their car is a weapon looking for a victim. 8 of of 10 do not use signal lights. 8 out of 10 are talking on the cell phone. Half are drunk or on drugs both legal and illegal.

Most if not all cities do not provide an adequate path on either side of the pavement so that a bicyclist can safely obey the state law and ride in the street thus the car behind them must slow to the speed of the bike, cross the center line to go round or the cyclist or must pull over for glaring car horns and a potential flurry of bullets.

And when they aren't occupied with all that they never cease to throw things out the car windows at cyclists, beer, urine, soda pop, spit, you name it, and shoot at them with air pistols on a daily basis. Especially at night time.

Drivers over all are the bigger threat because this long list of stuff is not done to cars by cyclists.

Inexperienced bicyclists are also just as much of a threat as the afore mentioned drivers because they can barely ride a bicycle, haven't been on one in a decade or more. Cannot keep their balance, don't know how to drive with their ears so are continually looking behind them and as they do that the bike swerves left into the path of traffic, they weigh to much to be on a bicycle, know nothing about maintaining a bicycle.

They have no business on a bicycle. They need to learn to ride a bicycle all over again.

It is only a matter of time before bicyclists are blamed for everything, force to get a bicyclists license and insurance.

Not that it would resolve anything but the state would grab at the money on behalf of lobbyists.

Any vehicle hitting a cyclist when it is the motorists fault should be charged with attempted murder. As is the crushed body is sent to the morgue while the cops wave the driver on down the street while the insurance company takes over.

Because the violence they face on the streets many cyclists are beginning to carry guns. I don't blame them unless they forgot a spare clip.

The most common way of knowing the street savvy of a bicyclist can easily be ascertained by their leg muscles since that is witness how long they have been doing it, and are still alive.

where do bi-cycleists pay to use the roadways? Vehicle users taxes pay for it all.

noSpokes wrote:

where do bi-cycleists pay to use the roadways? Vehicle users taxes pay for it all.

Nothing you can do about that but may be good reason for you to run them down huh?

Bicycles put zero wear and tear on the pavement anyway.

In many cities they do pay their road tax because they got to buy a small license plate from the city.

Plus bicyclists pay taxes just like every one else even when taxes are raised for schools and they don't have any children.

noSpokes wrote:

where do bi-cycleists pay to use the roadways? Vehicle users taxes pay for it all.

Neither do pedestrians so they should not be allowed to cross the street right?

in real time posted""

"Nothing you can do about that but may be good reason for you to run them down huh?"
------ ignorate statement why would you wish to hurt anyone?

"Bicycles put zero wear and tear on the pavement anyway."
---------- wrong any friction depletes the surfaces that make contact. Why do you suppose your tires wear out?

"In many cities they do pay their road tax because they got to buy a small license plate from the city."
-------- wrong the registration is to assist in recovery of said bike if stolen, no part of the payment is diverted to road use taxes.

"Plus bicyclists pay taxes just like every one else even when taxes are raised for schools and they don't have any children."
------ wrong we are posting on "Road use taxes", don't you want kids educated?.. it takes bucks
to do that. Think of the betterment of your community with educated kids.

"Neither do pedestrians so they should not be allowed to cross the street right?"
------ wrong, pedestrians have lanes to cross in called crosswalks, done legally usually safe.

As a long time biker (both powered and pedal power) and vehicle operator I am well aware of the hazards of the road.
You take your life in your hands every time you hop on a bike.
Eventually you will get in an accident.
Bike paths are the safest way to go for bicycles. Raise the money pave a path.

One has to pay to play.....

You have to be very careful when approaching bicyclists. When you hit one up here, they become a pedestrian and you are never right when you hit one. You had better have lots of insurance because the state does not want to pay for medical care for them when they get hit. The state and their attorneys believe in the "Deep Pocket Theory" and looks to your insurance company to pay right or wrong.

noSpokes wrote:

1------ ignorate statement why would you wish to hurt anyone?

2---------- wrong any friction depletes the surfaces that make contact. Why do you suppose your tires wear out?

3-------- wrong the registration is to assist in recovery of said bike if stolen, no part of the payment is diverted to road use taxes.

4------ wrong we are posting on "Road use taxes", don't you want kids educated?.. it takes bucks
to do that. Think of the betterment of your community with educated kids.

5------ wrong, pedestrians have lanes to cross in called crosswalks, done legally usually safe.

6.--------As a long time biker (both powered and pedal power) and vehicle operator I am well aware of the hazards of the road.

7-------You take your life in your hands every time you hop on a bike.

8----------Eventually you will get in an accident.

9----------Bike paths are the safest way to go for bicycles. Raise the money pave a path.
One has to pay to play.....

1. I don't.

2. The road eats up bike tires and car tires. specially concrete ighways and bridgs eating up car tires.

These roads are resurfaced but they do not need resurfacing. They need resurfacing when they are about half my age. Resurfacing them is pork. Look how many layers are there. Nothing wrong with the layer underneath. Mayors do a lot of that at election time. So many unneeded layers they have to remove the top layer and in most cases the storm drain is 6 inches to 1 foot down inside a hole forcing bikes into the passenger side tire path. These holes also literally RIP the wheels off of vehicles.

3. It is not to assist in stolen bike recovery. Stolen bikes are not recovered and even rarely is so. Very low priority crime as if it never happened. I ask in every city that I have bought a tag, it's a road tax. it goes into the same city bank account that paves the roads.

4. I post what is relevant. You don't like it, skip it.

5. Pedestrians don't pay gas tax, insurance, registration and inspection sticker and license plate fees on their shoes. Based on that you allude to the idea they, like bicycles, should not be using the street, pay or get off it.

6. You aren't as knowledgeable about the matter as you think you are. It takes more than those sissy spandex riding shorts to stay alive.

7. No kidding? Glad you told me else I never would have known. Lol.

8. That may apply to you but it is not a rule in general for bicyclists. Just like many people drive cars all their lives with no crashes or tickets. Since you believe an accident is inevitable eventually then "if a man is convinced he is going to die tomorrow will find a way for it to happen."

9. Most US cities by default and by design are not bicycle friendly and should be sued to every extent possible for not making arrangement in the street so that bicyclist can safely obey state law. A bike path in the park does not cross town. Are unnavigable because of two people walking or riding abreast.

AND FINALLY, STOP BUTCHERING THE QUOTE FUNCTION BY PUTTING ALL MY WORDS INSIDE YOUR RESPONSE WHEN WHAT I SAID IS SEPARATED BY PROPER DESIGN.

Most US cities are on the big hook for making city streets deadly to bicyclists.

So deadly in fact, the bicyclists cannot engage in the legal rights or responsibility to drive in the street. This violates the bicyclists Constitutional rights to freedom of movement.

This type infrastructure cannot be changed without taking a chunk out of the sidewalk or removing parking along side of the road and across the board could take trillions of dollars to incorporate and only the city is responsible for ever even allowing that situation in the first place.

Cities have caused just as many bicyclist deaths if not more than inexperienced bicyclists themselves. If the statute of liability limitations has not expired I would suggest a huge increase in retroactive lawsuits because if the city infrastructure was not the way it is the cyclists death or injury never would have occurred. The city is contributory. Especially a city that makes no arrangements for bicycle traffic and simultaneously has a law forbidding bicycles on sidewalks. In those cities the cyclist is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

The white line to the outside of either side of the road is 6 to 8 inches outside the passenger side tire path. Get your measuring tape out. Many roads are not even the proper width but are still the width of horseless carriage traffic.

There is, for what little it is worth, almost zero clearance between the passenger side tire path and parallel parking. An open car door in your face is a common problem. ALL these types of vehicle drivers find out the hard way that they screwed up bad because the cyclist has the legal right of way.

Even if you have a camera mounted on your bike and they force you to stop in that fashion to avoid a collision you can see to it that they are ticketed for that.

The storm drains are deep holes in the road. As I stated earlier, a bicycle cannot pass through that without folding up the front rim in the process and throwing the rider over the handle bars, bending the frame beyond repair.

This can be remedied by lawsuits against the city to place extensions on top of the concrete housing of the storm drain and then put the metal grate on top of the extension.

Many of the openings of storm drains that are at street surface level do not go from left to right but they are "inline" with street bike tires and still the tire goes down between the openings and causes a crash. Similar too but not exactly the same as train rails protruding above the surface of the street (worse, if the rails are on an angle to the road) pulling the motorcycle out from under the driver.

Avoiding all that puts the cyclists into the passenger side tire path.

The overwhelming accusations to assign blame for the cause of accidents/wrecks involving a vehicle and a bicycle can be laid directly at the doorstep of City Hall.

I also should mention that public transportation can resolve its bicycle storage problems created by passengers bringing their bicycles aboard is to institute a rule to allow only fold up/collapsing bikes.

A bicycle can only be classified as luggage or a carry on as far as public transportation goes if it is in a case style container that fits the measurements of said carry on.

Just like on a Greyhound bus a bicycle must be in a box in the form of contained freight.

Public transportation needs luggage/carry on rules.

If the bicyclists don't like it I would suggest they ride their bike from point A to point B instead of defeating the purpose of the bicycle by taking it on the city bus or subway.

Another problem is the almost complete lack of bicycle parking.

This generates massive amounts of business for bicycle thieves and especially in high traffic areas. Stolen bicycles are rarely recovered.

"In 2004, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported an estimated 6,947,685 "larceny/thefts" of which bicycle thefts accounted for 3.6 percent, or more than 250,000. The average value of a stolen bike was estimated at $240, which represents a total estimated loss due to bicycle thefts of more than $60 million."

http://www.bicyclinginfo.org/faqs/answer.cfm...

I will also add that the more expensive bicycles are grand larceny (a felony). Most stolen bikes are stripped of parts very quickly and discarded or traded to dealers for a crack rock.

A bait for theft bicycle with an embedded GPS will lead you straight to the crack house or the stolen property warehouse.

The best you can hope for is a sign post to lock to but the bike will still be stolen.

If the cyclist uses a plastic coated steel cable and padlock the thieves just stretch the cable out to its maximum while it is still coiled around the bike frame and lift it up over the sign, toss it in the van and go their merry way with the police as a rule never finding the van or the bike and the thieves always use a stolen license plate.

If the cyclists uses a U-Bolt type lock, not only do they cost more, unfortunately they can be unlocked with a Bic pen. Even though they have re-engineered those locks the past few years there are millions out there waiting to protect your bike, lol.

Another explains why you see so many sign posts at stores and other high traffic areas that are leaning or are loose. Bike thieves loosen them and pull them up. The cyclists locks their bike, the thieves lift up the pole, take the bike, put the post back in the hole.

Bike racks are a joke too since you put the front wheel in the space provided for it and lock the front wheel to the rack. Then the thief uses a half inch wrench or socket in the palm of their hand to remove the two nuts and off with the bike they go. Other type bikes don't even have two nuts since they are attacked with a compression lever. That's why you strangely see front wheels locked to bike racks.

The only thing really secure is a piece of tow chain and a padlock on a pole that is solid in the ground.

That forces the thief to carry a hack saw and or bolt cutters and in the case of the bolt cutters (and sometimes a hack saw), depending on your locality, concealing that on your person is a burglary tool so they aren't will to risk a felony charge to steal a $200 bike which is petit larceny (a misdemeanor) though they will steal the wheels off of it, and the seat, they will strip it right there.

And your point is?