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Teddy R wrote:
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Stick to neo-Luddite ideology, Oil OCD and pseudo-science, Northie. As an historian you're an ignorant joke.
Mao was an avowed Communist activist and militant waging revolution against the imperialist and feudal ruling classes of China since 1921, long before the Sino-Japanese War started in 1937. Before that, he fought in the Chinese revolution to overthrow the Qing dynasty in 1911. A dedicated revolutionary who didn't give a rat's azz about the OILLLLL!!!!
Damn, there you go again with the history lesson. Trying to argue with norfie is like trying to push jello uphill. Even if you did make some inroads, I doubt he/it would be willing to accept history as FACT. If anyone doesn't think or agree with him/it, then they're just another idiot. Too bad he/it doesn't realize how much he/it doesn't know but thinks he/it does.
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Pat Thomas wrote:
<quoted text> If that is all true, then why are the oceans rising at record rates -- especially on the east coast?
Because the planet is experiencing a pole shift. The north pole shifted 40 miles closer to siberia in 2011. Its a thing that happens about every 3600 years. That concides with the planetery alighnment that will occur on or near dec 21. Is the ocean rising or is the land sinking?

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Teddy R wrote:
Nonsense from an idealogue loon.
You are clearly ignorant of the bloodiest civil conflict the world has ever known - in the mid 19th Century. 20-30 million dead - mostly with just choppers and pitchforks, not modern weapons. Imagine the scale had it taken place just 50 years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellio...
You'll get back to us on what role oil played in this human disaster, won't you?
I guess Nauseous didn't have an answer for you.

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Climate change science: A calamitous end for the planet or just a rewarding research opportunity?
26 years of predictions says..........
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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I guess Nauseous didn't have an answer for you.
Silence is the best answer to drivel and bullshit. Why do you think nobody bother's with your posts?
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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Silence is the best answer to drivel and bullshit. Why do you think nobody bother's with your posts?
Well that certainly speaks volumes about certain participants in this discussion - in whose minds simple unvarnished historical fact with linked references constitutes "drivel and bullshit."

Where unverifiable and unfalsifiable jeremiads predicting planetary heat death are regarded as having higher intellectual value than established historical fact ...

Odd bunch.
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Teddy R wrote:
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Well that certainly speaks volumes about certain participants in this discussion - in whose minds simple unvarnished historical fact with linked references constitutes "drivel and bullshit."
Where unverifiable and unfalsifiable jeremiads predicting planetary heat death are regarded as having higher intellectual value than established historical fact ...
Odd bunch.
As always, Teddy R, your assumptions suck!

Don't you know history, especially, is a highly subjective study? Even millennia are being covered in a new light as they should be. Then, of course, the recent times don't even qualify to be history. YET.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>As always, Teddy R, your assumptions suck!
Don't you know history, especially, is a highly subjective study? Even millennia are being covered in a new light as they should be. Then, of course, the recent times don't even qualify to be history. YET.
his·to·ry (hst-r)
n. pl. his·to·ries
1.
a. A usually chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events: a history of the Vikings.
b. A formal written account of related natural phenomena: a history of volcanoes.
c. A record of a patient's medical background.
d. An established record or pattern of behavior: an inmate with a history of substance abuse.
2. The branch of knowledge that records and analyzes past events: "History has a long-range perspective" (Elizabeth Gurley Flynn)

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History is only subjective if you don't like the reality of it.

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NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Silence is the best answer to drivel and bullshit.
I agree, but for some unknown reason, I still feel forced to respond to your drivel and bullshit.
NoFactAllHype wrote:
Why do you think nobody bother's with your posts?
Nobody does respond to my posts, don't you, NobodyYouEverWantToKnow?

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Silence is the best answer to drivel and bullshit. Why do you think nobody bother's with your posts?
So are you a nobody? After all, you are bothering with his posts. Now with Harvey I would have to say that silence is the best answer to his as you put it "drivel and bullshit."

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Teddy R wrote:
Well that certainly speaks volumes about certain participants in this discussion - in whose minds simple unvarnished historical fact with linked references constitutes "drivel and bullshit."
Where unverifiable and unfalsifiable jeremiads predicting planetary heat death are regarded as having higher intellectual value than established historical fact ...
Odd bunch.
Be fair, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty has a scientific backround, which apparently excuses him from possessing other knowledge.
Here are a few examples:
Forty is spelt with a U
Etymology is not a serious subject
Deforestations is a consequence of AGW
Epistemologists compile dictionaries
Epystemologists compile dictionaries
Samuel Johnson was an American
Ice calving is restricted by size
Spelt is only an ancient grain
The equator doesn't have season
Cars can be charged with road collisions
Vikings didn't know how to live in a warmer Greenland
How much heat you are transferring at one time has NO relationship to the temperature of any objects
Alberta is a country
New Moore island is in the MOUTH of the several rivers
Insects and plants don't qualify as species
Enercon install offshore wind generators
Scientific laws are not science
Climate and weather are not 'linked'
Predictions are for astrologers
Ethanol is a very workable and effective solution
AGW is just the warming of the global average surface temperature due to GHGs
AGW is the global average
The science says that human emissions are responsible for MOST of AGW, which has SOME unknown but significant part of climate change
The IPCC report of 2001 and 2007 clearly show that GHGs are by far the largest contributor but not the exclusive contributor to AGW
America has two political parties
Climate and weather are not 'linked'
'nondenier' is a real word
Fruiting plants are especially chosen by bees for, "polination"
We acted on CFCs in the 70s
CO2 is not vital for life on planet Earth.
CO2 causes, "thermal pollution"
CO2 is a 'thermal pollutant'
CO2 levels are rising faster than the temperature can react
AGW is comparable to the Holocaust
Please show this 'ararmist club' and membership list.
And theory is the endpoint of science.
The 'unproven' stuff is 'hypothesis'.
The fact that all the scientific authorities confirm AGW as theory means that it IS science fact as defined.
There are no 'laws of science'
Scientific laws are NOT science
the science isn't going to change
While the science doesn't change rapidly it does change
And nowhere is there 'skepticism' of the science
Experiment is NOT science
Experiment can only give you data. It cannot PROVE anything
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>As always, Teddy R, your assumptions suck!
Don't you know history, especially, is a highly subjective study? Even millennia are being covered in a new light as they should be. Then, of course, the recent times don't even qualify to be history. YET.
Weak sauce, Houston.

Certainly some analytical aspects of history is subjective, and open to re-analysis and re-interpretation over time - but for you to say that the simple objective fact that some 20 million or more died in the Taiping Rebellion in China in the mid-19th Century is anything other than 100% undisputed objective fact is just plain stupid.
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Northie wrote:
Stalin, definitely yes. Without Baku oil he wouldn't have had many cards to play.
Why did Stalin have to kill millions to continue to have the Baku oil?

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Teddy R wrote:
Weak sauce, Houston.
Certainly some analytical aspects of history is subjective, and open to re-analysis and re-interpretation over time - but for you to say that the simple objective fact that some 20 million or more died in the Taiping Rebellion in China in the mid-19th Century is anything other than 100% undisputed objective fact is just plain stupid.
Aww, give him a break, he's only a poor little SpamBot.

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koz wrote:
Why did Stalin have to kill millions to continue to have the Baku oil?
Nauseous may have been referring to the Batum oil fields.
There's no reference in Russian history to the killing of millions for oil.
Maybe Nauseous deserves his F in history.
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All quiet on the Eastern Front ...
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Teddy R wrote:
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Weak sauce, Houston.
Certainly some analytical aspects of history is subjective, and open to re-analysis and re-interpretation over time - but for you to say that the simple objective fact that some 20 million or more died in the Taiping Rebellion in China in the mid-19th Century is anything other than 100% undisputed objective fact is just plain stupid.
Once again, your assumptions suck!

Where did I post all that you wrote? LIAR.

Would it be too much for you to admit that I was right? Yes, it would be because you like being a bully.
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, your assumptions suck!
Where did I post all that you wrote? LIAR.
Would it be too much for you to admit that I was right? Yes, it would be because you like being a bully.
Now you're making no sense at all. Non sequitur.

What specific "assumptions" of mine are you saying "suck?"

You want me to admit that you were right? Right about WHAT, exactly?

The conversation was about Northie's bizarre and wholly unsupportable assertion that the root cause of all human tragedy and conflict throughout modern history is OILLLLLLL!!!

What are you burbling about?
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Northie is right! Oil was the reason behind the world wars.

It takes a big brain and high intellect to understand the intricacies of the last one hundred years of wars. Those who don't comprehend it all now could go on learning on their own instead of bullying pure strangers in this forum.
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Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>The conversation was about Northie's bizarre and wholly unsupportable assertion that the root cause of all human tragedy and conflict throughout modern history is OILLLLLLL!!!
Not quite. The conversation concerned the $600 billion in annual subsidies being handed to the world's largest industry, which is already swimming in money, even though it is demonstrably among the most malevolent influences on the course of past century (which occurred long after the Taiping Rebellion, the Hundred Years War and the fall of Troy, incidentally).

The point, if you can stretch your memory, is that those who whine loudest about microscopic subsidies for solar development are strangely silent about the decades of truly vast handouts to Big Oil.

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