Obama: America needs "soul searching" on gun violence

Aug 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

President Barack Obama said on Monday that mass killings like the shooting rampage at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin were occurring with "too much regularity" and should prompt soul searching by all Americans, but he stopped short of calling for new gun-control laws.

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John wrote:
<quoted text>Denial is one of the symptoms and you got plenty of that.
Ya'll aren't worth talking to anymore.
Have fun shooting matchboxes off the log at 100 yards.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

We will, thank you!

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<quoted text>You just said it right there.

Why not actually try to ENFORCE the law and make people realise the consequences of not doing so instead of excusing their behaviour and criminality? It's incredibly stupid to say that you shouldn't bother to enforce or protect laws just because some people don't wan to follow them.
Lmao! You just don't get it. Police react after a crime has been committed.
Rather than make laws that handicap the law abiding, enable the law abiding by arming them.

I have a question for you.
If you planned to rob a bank, I know you would never do that, let's just say you would.
You have three banks to choose from.
A). An unarmed bank
B). A bank with an armed guard
C). A bank that has all armed employees
D). A bank with all armed employees and all armed patrons

Which order would you rob them in?

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"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of
either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion.
Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a
potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if
all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for an [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
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Aug 22, 2012
 
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Get a life and an education.
Hey Cowboy,
Jeese!! I read your crap on here. I have a high level education. I've been shot (in the chest) before. Almost died, I have to tell you. Brushing death makes one think about the bigger picture. I think you're living in a very small frame from the 18th century. Dying is not so bad as I thought I was soon dead that time. Force is necessary sometimes to protect one's self and loved ones. It is cowardly to think that the only way to protect yourself is carrying a gun around. You have the right in this country and I don't intend to try and take that away from anybody. I somehow get the idea that you can't be reasoned with because you are too afraid to leave the gun at home and face your advisaries. Not everybody out there is trying to kill you.
Paranoia will destroy ya
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Aug 22, 2012
 
It was either Adolf Hitler or his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, who said that the people will believe any lie, if it is big enough and told often enough, loud enough. Although the Nazis were defeated in World War II, this part of their philosophy survives triumphantly to this day among politicians, and nowhere more so than during election years.
Perhaps the biggest lie of this election year, and the one likely to be repeated the most often, is that the income of "the rich" is going up, while other people's incomes are going down. If you listen to Barack Obama, you are bound to hear this lie repeatedly.
But the government's own Congressional Budget Office has just published a report whose statistics flatly contradict this claim. The CBO report shows that, while the average household income fell 12 percent between 2007 and 2009, the average for the lower four-fifths fell by 5 percent or less, while the average income for households in the top fifth fell 18 percent. For households in the "top one percent" that seems to fascinate so many people, income fell by 36 percent in those same years.
Why are these data so different from other data that are widely cited, showing the top brackets improving their positions more so than anyone else?
The answer is that the data cited by the Congressional Budget Office are based on Internal Revenue Service statistics for specific individuals and specific households over time. The IRS can follow individuals and households because it can identify the same people over time from their Social Security numbers.
Most other data, including census data, are based on compiling statistics in a succession of time periods, without the ability to tell if the actual people in each income bracket are the same from one time period to the next. The turnover of people is substantial in all brackets -- and is huge in the top one percent. Most people in that bracket are there for only one year in a decade.
All sorts of statements are made in politics and in the media as if that "top one percent" is an enduring class of people, rather than an ever-changing collection of individuals who have a spike in their income in a particular year, for one reason or another. Turnover in other income brackets is also substantial.
There is nothing mysterious about this. Most people start out at the bottom, in entry-level jobs, and their incomes rise over time as they acquire more skills and experience.
Politicians and media talking heads love to refer to people who are in the bottom 20 percent in income in a given year as "the poor." But, following the same individuals for 10 or 15 years usually shows the great majority of those individuals moving into higher income brackets.
The number who reach all the way to the top 20 percent greatly exceeds the number still stuck in the bottom 20 percent over the years. But such mundane facts cannot compete for attention with the moral melodramas conjured up in politics and the media when they discuss "the rich" and "the poor."
There are people who are genuinely rich and genuinely poor, in the sense of having very high or very low incomes for most, if not all, of their lives. But "the rich" and "the poor" in this sense are unlikely to add up to even ten percent of the population.
Ironically, those who make the most noise about income disparities or poverty contribute greatly to policies that promote both. The welfare state enables millions of people to meet their needs with little or no income-earning work on their part.
Most of the economic resources used by people in the bottom 20 percent come from sources other than their own incomes. There are veritable armies of middle-class people who make their livings transferring resources, in a variety of ways, from those who created those resources to those who live off them.
These transferrers are in both government and private social welfare institutions. They have every incentive to promote dependency,for political profit.
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Aug 23, 2012
 
LOL look at the black white bastard lecture about morals. LOL.

Hey, soul search lybia, africa, syria, lol you and your illegal war mongering bastardization. HEY, I can make words up like fox/cnn.

MIND control by the evil idiots. What is todays fare? Carrots? Or more faces of innocent children blown off? And btw michelle you idiot. YOu think poverty people can AFFORD fresh vegetables, you f'n idiot. They can only afford fast scum subhuman food. THANKS to the LIKES of you thieving bastards. CHACHING. Five dollars a lb for greens. A dollar a lb for fast food dogfood.

LOL Asshole obama illegal 'other' trash. GOD how I wish Brietbart had not been murdered. Maybe then the idiots would AWAKEN.
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While you are calling the republicans dumb,
the media news has FINALLY CAME CLEAN ABOUT
THEIR BIAS ... Some must still or at last,
decided to tell they got Obama elected the
first time and have kept him in favor for 4yrs.
Now they have decided to tell the world they
had and did the job of backing HIM... "Now
they say, Obama its time for you to GO"!!!
Even idiots wise up?? At least, what the
rest of the country always knew, "free pass",
is what Obama has been given....
Do you think, when their Tv news were loseing
viewers, i.e, money, and magazines and papers
were closeing thier doors and are bankrupt???
Doesn't take a genius but it takes a hit in the
wallet. But their choices have nearing ruined
a country and they finally felt the squeeze..
Your loseing your backing democrates!
You still a believer dumbos... You finally
got caught w/ your pants down showing the country,
cheaters really do choke!!!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

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Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>That's right, misdirect why don't you.
Libbies keep men, mostly minorities bound by your "caring" and "compassion" all the while you dumb them done and trick them into voting for more entitlements.
Here, chew on this: In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. >From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy,(which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
Excellent post!

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John wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Cowboy,
Jeese!! I read your crap on here. I have a high level education. I've been shot (in the chest) before. Almost died, I have to tell you. Brushing death makes one think about the bigger picture. I think you're living in a very small frame from the 18th century. Dying is not so bad as I thought I was soon dead that time. Force is necessary sometimes to protect one's self and loved ones. It is cowardly to think that the only way to protect yourself is carrying a gun around. You have the right in this country and I don't intend to try and take that away from anybody. I somehow get the idea that you can't be reasoned with because you are too afraid to leave the gun at home and face your advisaries. Not everybody out there is trying to kill you.
Paranoia will destroy ya
I get this all the time. You must all eat from the same propaganda tree.
You can't have it both ways. Anti gunners state we need more gun control measures because violent crime is way too high! Then in the same breath state that people who choose to arm themselves are paranoid, afraid, and the odds of needing the gun for protection are slim.
Which is it?

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Federal agencies practice with the same ammo they carry.
BS. I was on a pisto-rifle team and I can tell you we didn't blow though a 1000 rounds of hollow points a day.

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John wrote:
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Hey Cowboy,
Jeese!! I read your crap on here. I have a high level education. I've been shot (in the chest) before. Almost died, I have to tell you. Brushing death makes one think about the bigger picture. I think you're living in a very small frame from the 18th century. Dying is not so bad as I thought I was soon dead that time. Force is necessary sometimes to protect one's self and loved ones. It is cowardly to think that the only way to protect yourself is carrying a gun around. You have the right in this country and I don't intend to try and take that away from anybody. I somehow get the idea that you can't be reasoned with because you are too afraid to leave the gun at home and face your advisaries. Not everybody out there is trying to kill you.
Paranoia will destroy ya
I suggest you drive through West LA, South Chicago or Harlem at midnight an go reason with everyone.

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Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>BS. I was on a pisto-rifle team and I can tell you we didn't blow though a 1000 rounds of hollow points a day.
A pistol-rifle team for who?? I can tell you, from first hand knowledge, that federal agents pratice with the ammo they carry (Speer Gold Dot JHP's). And no, I am not federal agent, but I do know several.

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A pistol-rifle team for who?? I can tell you, from first hand knowledge, that federal agents pratice with the ammo they carry (Speer Gold Dot JHP's). And no, I am not federal agent, but I do know several.
Are you saying ALL federal agents carry hollow points as a matter of daily recourse? A ammunition even outlawed for use by the Geneva Convension.

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Obama believes "America needs soul searching" because he truly believes that America is a collective and not a country of individuals.
He believes that if a criminal uses a gun to commit crimes, that the crimes were committed because of our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
In his mind, that means that the collective must "soul search" and rethink our individual right because another criminal from his collective may make the decision to go out and commit violent crimes with a gun.
Just as Obama believes in "collective salvation"where his salvation depends on the salvation of the collective, he believes that we are all responsible for the criminal acts of others within the collective.

Obama needs to understand that our rights,(which are not given or taken by government) are in fact Individual rights.
When someone commits a crime(if they are caught) they surrender most of their rights as a result of their actions.
We make laws for this purpose, to punish the criminal for their actions.
We do not make laws to punish a collective for the actions of individuals.
As individuals, We Americans do not need to "soul search" when it comes to the actions or criminal activities of other individuals.
Obama was elected leader of the wrong country.

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Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying ALL federal agents carry hollow points as a matter of daily recourse? A ammunition even outlawed for use by the Geneva Convension.
Lol, the Geneva Convention is an international humanitarian treaty. It has nothing to do with what ammunition is carried by domestic agencies.
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President Starky wrote:
Obama believes "America needs soul searching" because he truly believes that America is a collective and not a country of individuals.
He believes that if a criminal uses a gun to commit crimes, that the crimes were committed because of our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
In his mind, that means that the collective must "soul search" and rethink our individual right because another criminal from his collective may make the decision to go out and commit violent crimes with a gun.
Just as Obama believes in "collective salvation"where his salvation depends on the salvation of the collective, he believes that we are all responsible for the criminal acts of others within the collective.
Obama needs to understand that our rights,(which are not given or taken by government) are in fact Individual rights.
When someone commits a crime(if they are caught) they surrender most of their rights as a result of their actions.
We make laws for this purpose, to punish the criminal for their actions.
We do not make laws to punish a collective for the actions of individuals.
As individuals, We Americans do not need to "soul search" when it comes to the actions or criminal activities of other individuals.
Obama was elected leader of the wrong country.
The Irony,Obama,Refuses to even visit,Or Comment re His
Homeys,In Chicago,Re the Murders,which are wholesale,He
Has Pissed off the South Side,With his Total lack,Of Care
Compassion etc..My Offices are on the South Side,in Fact
I am a South Sider,who moved more South,Consequently I
have to traverse the South Side daily..I have witnessed
several Daylight Shootins,In CHA,areas,Men Firing Wildly
Spray,and Pray is their style...Women,and Children all
Running,Screaming,it all directions,as the Pop,Pop,Pop
rings out..I normally exceed the Speed limit,and get
the Fk,outta there if the Traffic allows?? it is so sad
you can not leave your Vehicle,and assist any one either
The CPD,arrives but by then its all over,and they have
vanished into the Rabbit Holes of the CHA Bldgs etc...
Obama,Rahmn,Daley,What Pandering for votes does for a
Democratic Controlled City,and State for a 100 Years?
Trillions of tax payers moneys Poured in?? The most
repressive,and Illegal Gun laws in the USA? And????
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liza wrote:
While you are calling the republicans dumb,
the media news has FINALLY CAME CLEAN ABOUT
THEIR BIAS ... Some must still or at last,
decided to tell they got Obama elected the
first time and have kept him in favor for 4yrs.
Now they have decided to tell the world they
had and did the job of backing HIM... "Now
they say, Obama its time for you to GO"!!!
Even idiots wise up?? At least, what the
rest of the country always knew, "free pass",
is what Obama has been given....
Do you think, when their Tv news were loseing
viewers, i.e, money, and magazines and papers
were closeing thier doors and are bankrupt???
Doesn't take a genius but it takes a hit in the
wallet. But their choices have nearing ruined
a country and they finally felt the squeeze..
Your loseing your backing democrates!
You still a believer dumbos... You finally
got caught w/ your pants down showing the country,
cheaters really do choke!!!
For me,This is all that is wrong with the Liberal
Left/Marxists Attitude,Beliefs??????????
Damn!!!!!!!!!!

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, speaking on behalf of the Obama White House, to Rep. Paul Ryan: "You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know is, we don't like yours."


Those two sentences speak to a mentality so bereft of intellectual vigor, so stunningly and candidly shallow, so thoroughly irresponsible, so politically myopic, selfish, and cowardly, that it should disqualify this crew from a second term in office. What a disgrace. Remember this moment the next time Democrats accuse the GOP of being the "do nothing," intransigent, "party of no."

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Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying ALL federal agents carry hollow points as a matter of daily recourse? A ammunition even outlawed for use by the Geneva Convension.
The Geneva Convention set rules for war...not US federal agencies. And yes, the multiple people I know who work for several different federal agencies ALL carry hollowpoints issued to them by their respective departments.

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Razors Edge wrote:
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The Irony,Obama,Refuses to even visit,Or Comment re His
Homeys,In Chicago,Re the Murders,which are wholesale,He
Has Pissed off the South Side,With his Total lack,Of Care
Compassion etc..My Offices are on the South Side,in Fact
I am a South Sider,who moved more South,Consequently I
have to traverse the South Side daily..I have witnessed
several Daylight Shootins,In CHA,areas,Men Firing Wildly
Spray,and Pray is their style...Women,and Children all
Running,Screaming,it all directions,as the Pop,Pop,Pop
rings out..I normally exceed the Speed limit,and get
the Fk,outta there if the Traffic allows?? it is so sad
you can not leave your Vehicle,and assist any one either
The CPD,arrives but by then its all over,and they have
vanished into the Rabbit Holes of the CHA Bldgs etc...
Obama,Rahmn,Daley,What Pandering for votes does for a
Democratic Controlled City,and State for a 100 Years?
Trillions of tax payers moneys Poured in?? The most
repressive,and Illegal Gun laws in the USA? And????
Adding to that Irony is the fact that through Obama's "soul searching/passing new,more restrictive gun laws, he would disarm the law abiding citizen, leaving them at the mercy of the criminals who almost never purchase their firearms legally to begin with.

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Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Lol, the Geneva Convention is an international humanitarian treaty. It has nothing to do with what ammunition is carried by domestic agencies.
I understand that fully. I can't believe that the federal government which is mostly liberals would do something that would make the UN or the bleeding hearts upset.

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