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Manny Silva
United States
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10peso is all im asking wrote: <quoted text> First part,I agree.U.S.A.pardoned JAPAN,from any future claims against Japan when signing the papers to END the WAR aboard an U.S. navy ship.So can't go there.Second part,You must have an BS degree from DR.PHUL of doo doo university!Watch an be viewed as WIRE FRAUD by the FEDs. F.MARCOS Ahh what a surprise. Someone from Japan posting a response that due to the "technicality" Japan can no longer be held liable for the atrocities committed. Always amazed me how the collective Japanese spirit can be so good at ignoring the obvious. As in never apologizing for the atrocities committed in WWII. Hirohitos (I think it was him) daughter visited Pearl Harbor 5 or 10 years back and not even close to an apology. Just the same old "war bad", Japanese good comments. I like how Japanese come to Hawaii and get the state to hold vigils at Kewalo park for the kids killed by the American Submarine (tragedy no doubt but still an ACCIDENT) and yet have rarely visited Pearl Harbor where thousands of American bodies are entombed due to INTENTIONAL Japanese murderers. Of course even though everything I'm saying is simple historical fact, many will become uncomfortable and try to call me "racist" etc in an effort to stifle discussion.
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Makakilo Hawaii
Waipahu, HI
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"Maybe we should give all the Iraqis who are helping us fight the insurgency veteran's benefits too!
I have nothing against fiipinos, but this wreaks of hogwash."
It always amazes me how someone is quick to post a comment without looking at the facts. Hogwash and 2 cents comments reek of pure ignorance. The Philippines was a commonwealth of the United States after the the War that was won from the Spaniards. They fought under the flag of the United States. Iraquis are fighting for their own country. The currency in the Philippines was in US Dollars and the only reason that the Japanese invaded the Philippines was because of it's ties to the United States. Technically all Filipinos born before 1945 (pre-independence) should have been born US citizens like Puerto Ricans, Guamanians and Northern Marianas.
The Filipinos did not fight under the flag of the Philippines, they fought under the flag of the United States defending a commonwealth of the United States.
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Manny Silva
United States
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Makakilo Hawaii wrote: It always amazes me how someone is quick to post a comment without looking at the facts. Hogwash and 2 cents comments reek of pure ignorance. The Philippines was a commonwealth of the United States after the the War that was won from the Spaniards. Hogwash is making you blind to the obvious. Regardless of the Philippines political status, I doubt anyone, especially Filipinos, would doubt that they consider the Philippines a unique, distinct and independent country. They have their own unique language, culture, and even physical traits that make them the Philippines. You again may be entirely technically correct. But I find it pathetic that simply fighting to defend your own country (the Philippines) and winning ultimate total independence (thank you USA) isn't enough. These men then need to beg for hand outs from a foreign government. Contrast that with guys like Pat Tillman who gave up a multimillion dollar NFL contract and his life because the Muslim Terrorist attacks on 9-11. Contrast that with John McCain's son (heir to his mothers multi million dollar estate) and son of a guy who spent 5 years being tortured in Vietnamese prisons and yet still volunteers to serve in a time of war. These Filipino "vets" aren't satisfied with the ultimate independence of their own country. They want a payout. That's pathetic in what it says for Filipinos and the Philippines in general. And I hate to say this but it kind of gives some insight into why the Philippines has been colonized so many times. They appear too weak to ever stand up and fight for their country.???????
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Oscar
United States
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Manny Silva wrote: <quoted text>
Hogwash is making you blind to the obvious. Regardless of the Philippines political status, I doubt anyone, especially Filipinos, would doubt that they consider the Philippines a unique, distinct and independent country. They have their own unique language, culture, and even physical traits that make them the Philippines.
You again may be entirely technically correct. But I find it pathetic that simply fighting to defend your own country (the Philippines) and winning ultimate total independence (thank you USA) isn't enough. These men then need to beg for hand outs from a foreign government.
Contrast that with guys like Pat Tillman who gave up a multimillion dollar NFL contract and his life because the Muslim Terrorist attacks on 9-11.
Contrast that with John McCain's son (heir to his mothers multi million dollar estate) and son of a guy who spent 5 years being tortured in Vietnamese prisons and yet still volunteers to serve in a time of war.
These Filipino "vets" aren't satisfied with the ultimate independence of their own country. They want a payout. That's pathetic in what it says for Filipinos and the Philippines in general.
And I hate to say this but it kind of gives some insight into why the Philippines has been colonized so many times. They appear too weak to ever stand up and fight for their country.??????? Manny Silva, shut the hell up!!! all you do is talk, obviously you don't know what the hell you're talking about... You should go back to college and take some Asian-Study that includes Philippines history before you even start talking... You don't have a right to say s*** because you don't know nothing about it and I know you're concern about the tax that could end up to this vets and trust me I feel the same way too but after all these people did a lot for the America and they do deserve something... and I'm not sure what you're so worried about (no offense to those Filipino vets) they ain't gonna last... and again, let me slap you with some Philippine History before again you make your selfish, uneducated judgment. At the time of WWII Philippines was a part of America like Puerto Rico today who had "Common Wealth" status... They don't have their own military because they didn't have to defend them self because the fact that as a territory of US, it is US responsibility to protect the islands which back then was "American Soil" even if it wasn't a state of the US... Those Filipino vet soldiers were under US forces so with that being said they are "American Soldier" in other term...
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10 peso
Kakamigahara, Japan
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Manny Silva wrote: <quoted text>
Ahh what a surprise. Someone from Japan posting a response that due to the "technicality" Japan can no longer be held liable for the atrocities committed.
Always amazed me how the collective Japanese spirit can be so good at ignoring the obvious. As in never apologizing for the atrocities committed in WWII.
Hirohitos (I think it was him) daughter visited Pearl Harbor 5 or 10 years back and not even close to an apology. Just the same old "war bad", Japanese good comments.
I like how Japanese come to Hawaii and get the state to hold vigils at Kewalo park for the kids killed by the American Submarine (tragedy no doubt but still an ACCIDENT) and yet have rarely visited Pearl Harbor where thousands of American bodies are entombed due to INTENTIONAL Japanese murderers.
Of course even though everything I'm saying is simple historical fact, many will become uncomfortable and try to call me "racist" etc in an effort to stifle discussion. What I'm saying is what you said "STUDY&SET YOU MIND FREE".DON'T assume i'm an Japanese,just cuz i'm posting from Japan!Cuz when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U,not ME!!I'm an AMERICAN(serving in the military).Have you ever served your country,besides community service?Most likely not.STUDY HISTORY before people catch on to you as an 'IDIOT'.I know about the Japanese war crimes!WAR IS HELL.So don't even go there about stating historical facts(if so you'd known about the pardon for future claims)What's Hirohito's kid visiting Hawaii got to do with this topic?STAY FOCUSED<STAY FOCUSED>you can do it.That's like saying the U.S. said "sorry for the A~bombs,but it ended the war much sooner!"
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Danny Tanael
Binăn, Philippines
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It is not the question that the Americans fought for the liberation of the Philippines, But Americans at that time are fighting for American interest and many Filipinos are inducted to fight for that "Americans interest" in the pacific in order to suppress Japanese imperial forces who invaded Hawaii. Millions of Filipinos both civilian and those present veterans risk their lives because of that American Japanese War. Filipino veterans deserve their pension from the US as a reward for siding with the Americans in their fight to win that war.
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Danny Tanael
Binăn, Philippines
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For occupying the Philippines for almost half century, I think that pension are only fraction or too little for whatever the American government have taken out of the Philippines in terms of mineral resources and others during its occupations...
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Manny Silva
United States
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No matter how you guys try to slice it, all of your descriptions make the Philippines look weak and dependent upon the United States. I believe in most European countries, probably most others as well, if they were attacked, they would fight back regardless of international treaties.
If someone attacks my home, I will fight them off. I won't stop to think that it was the job of the police or expect pay or recognition because I helped the police catch the burglar going after my things. I would just fight the burglar off and be happy if I was able to do it.
For some reason, you all stll see nothing unusual about expecting a payout from the very people trying to help you defend your home.
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10 peso
Kakamigahara, Japan
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Manny Silva wrote: No matter how you guys try to slice it, all of your descriptions make the Philippines look weak and dependent upon the United States. I believe in most European countries, probably most others as well, if they were attacked, they would fight back regardless of international treaties.
If someone attacks my home, I will fight them off. I won't stop to think that it was the job of the police or expect pay or recognition because I helped the police catch the burglar going after my things. I would just fight the burglar off and be happy if I was able to do it.
For some reason, you all stll see nothing unusual about expecting a payout from the very people trying to help you defend your home. Manny no"study&free yor mind on this post!"Like i stated in my other post do't assume,cuz if you do you'll make an *ss out of U and not Me!Waiting for your reply. An American in Japan
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Jervis
Kakamigahara, Japan
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Manny Silva wrote: No matter how you guys try to slice it, all of your descriptions make the Philippines look weak and dependent upon the United States. I believe in most European countries, probably most others as well, if they were attacked, they would fight back regardless of international treaties.
If someone attacks my home, I will fight them off. I won't stop to think that it was the job of the police or expect pay or recognition because I helped the police catch the burglar going after my things. I would just fight the burglar off and be happy if I was able to do it.
For some reason, you all stll see nothing unusual about expecting a payout from the very people trying to help you defend your home. What if someone attacked your home with EGGS? Don't even think about taking the laws into your own hands,You ain't Charles Bronson.Take it from me,I know first hand what taking laws into your own hands.Means nasty doo doo time in court!
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Danny Tanael
Calamba, Philippines
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Manny Silva wrote: No matter how you guys try to slice it, all of your descriptions make the Philippines look weak and dependent upon the United States. I believe in most European countries, probably most others as well, if they were attacked, they would fight back regardless of international treaties.
If someone attacks my home, I will fight them off. I won't stop to think that it was the job of the police or expect pay or recognition because I helped the police catch the burglar going after my things. I would just fight the burglar off and be happy if I was able to do it.
For some reason, you all stll see nothing unusual about expecting a payout from the very people trying to help you defend your home. I think it would be wise enough for someone to read first the history before giving comments in favor or not in favor because we can never gauge the real situation for we belong to the new generations while we are talking about past or older generations...
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Danny Tanael
Calamba, Philippines
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Many of you guys here specially those who are opposed to the veterans bill have no idea of the past such as Philippine American war and Japanese Occupation or War in the Pacific. If only you can read the complete history, you can probably understand why this veterans are asking for what they deserved. Remember broken promises are more expensive if you cannot fulfill. Times are always changing and history cannot forget the past...
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Minneapolis
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Kansas City, MO
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Danny Tanael wrote: <quoted text>I think it would be wise enough for someone to read first the history before giving comments in favor or not in favor because we can never gauge the real situation for we belong to the new generations while we are talking about past or older generations... Are you suggesting research first before commenting? Crazy or what???!!!
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Danny Tanael
Calamba, Philippines
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Pali wrote: <quoted text>
Are you suggesting research first before commenting? Crazy or what???!!! Well...How can you judge without investigating???
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Oscar
United States
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Manny Silva wrote: No matter how you guys try to slice it, all of your descriptions make the Philippines look weak and dependent upon the United States. I believe in most European countries, probably most others as well, if they were attacked, they would fight back regardless of international treaties.
If someone attacks my home, I will fight them off. I won't stop to think that it was the job of the police or expect pay or recognition because I helped the police catch the burglar going after my things. I would just fight the burglar off and be happy if I was able to do it.
For some reason, you all stll see nothing unusual about expecting a payout from the very people trying to help you defend your home. again... shut the hell up!!! those "FILIPINO VETS" were American Soldiers... why do you make is sound like the Philippine governments are the one whos asking for the fucking benefits... I'm gonna tell you again, Philippines were part of America at that time... You're calling the Philippine weak... pls... the Philippines were the riches country in Asia at that time until Japan invaded the islands... If the US granted their independence after Spanish-American War they would've armed them self... but the US held on the island as territory and prohibited the islands to create its own military... so with that being said the only military is in there is the US... and if you think that Filipino were weak what do you call the American who supposedly protecting the islands??? again ass hole... get some Asian Study first before you make your try to make your point...
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pali
Savage, MN
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Danny Tanael wrote: <quoted text>Well...How can you judge without investigating??? Easy Danny, I am on your side paday.
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Cueball
Washington Navy Yard, DC
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Filipinos were promised benefits. They should get them. Period exclamtion point.
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Manny Silva
United States
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Oscar wrote: <quoted text>
again... shut the hell up!!! those "FILIPINO VETS" were American Soldiers... You are mistaken my friend. They were NOT AMERICANS. They were not AMERICAN citizens. They were Filipinos, period, defending their homeland. All of you beggars are really making me have less respect for the Philippines as a country. Its been 60 years so I'm assuming the "promise" wasn't exactly done in writing in triplicate. Maybe someone overhears MacArthur saying it in a speech or in a bar over a beer.?????? Why hasn't any news source cited the exact document? Could it be because it doesn't exist. And since the Philippines were liberated with the generous help of the U.S., why hasn't the Filipino government stepped up to the plate at some point over the past 6 decades and said; "you know what? If the United States won't "live up to it's promise", then the wonderful Filipino government will and we/they (the Filipino government) pay these Filipino citizens whatever moneys they are demanding for defending their own country. But the Filipino government won't do it. The Japanese government won't do it. Its always the American government that has to support poor pathetic people who cannot support themselves. So many American families lost loved ones who died defending the Philippines and yet they aren't whining to the Filipino government for payouts. I guess all people of the world really aren't equal. Some sure seem to appear superior to others and its you guys that are making that so clear. I fell shame for you welfare types.
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Oscar
United States
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Manny Silva wrote: <quoted text>
You are mistaken my friend. They were NOT AMERICANS. They were not AMERICAN citizens. They were Filipinos, period, defending their homeland.
All of you beggars are really making me have less respect for the Philippines as a country.
Its been 60 years so I'm assuming the "promise" wasn't exactly done in writing in triplicate. Maybe someone overhears MacArthur saying it in a speech or in a bar over a beer.?????? Why hasn't any news source cited the exact document? Could it be because it doesn't exist.
And since the Philippines were liberated with the generous help of the U.S., why hasn't the Filipino government stepped up to the plate at some point over the past 6 decades and said; "you know what? If the United States won't "live up to it's promise", then the wonderful Filipino government will and we/they (the Filipino government) pay these Filipino citizens whatever moneys they are demanding for defending their own country.
But the Filipino government won't do it. The Japanese government won't do it. Its always the American government that has to support poor pathetic people who cannot support themselves.
So many American families lost loved ones who died defending the Philippines and yet they aren't whining to the Filipino government for payouts.
I guess all people of the world really aren't equal. Some sure seem to appear superior to others and its you guys that are making that so clear.
I fell shame for you welfare types. No I'm not B****... yes indeed they weren't American citizen but they were serving as American Soldier... you don't have to be an American to be a US soldier... and First of all, for the last time THE PHILIPPINES WERE PART OF THE UNITED STATES AT THAT TIME... of course America is gonna liberate the Philippines, I mean if Mexico invaded California right now are you just gonna look at it??? and the PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DURING WWII WAS THEODORE ROOSEVELT!!!
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this is ridiculous
Honolulu, HI
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The men deserve the same benefits as all other veterans. In fact, the Philippines was a US colony when the men were drafted (1940s--independence in 1946), thus the Filipinos were fighting for the US.
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