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Benefits for Filipino WWII vets faces vote

Senate to vote on benefits for Filipino vets of WWII STORY SUMMARY READ THE FULL STORY A bill to provide retirement benefits for Filipinos who fought with U.S. forces during World War II faces crucial votes in ...

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Airline Employee

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Apr 20, 2008
 
I hope that John McCain will strongly support the bill with the Filipino benefits intact. Such support would be a be big help.
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pensions? For service during WWII? I don't know of American vets of wars that served 2-5 years getting any pensions.

All the other vet benefits seem fine, but not pensions.
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pensions? For service during WWII? I don't know of American vets of wars that served 2-5 years getting any pensions.
All the other vet benefits seem fine, but not pensions.
I agree. During that era you had to serve at least 20 years to earn a pension. Either terminology has gotten mixed up or that portion of the bill is another giveaway program.
Manny Silva

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I don't know all the details so I can't make any conclusion.
I know the Filipinos say that benefits were "promised". Maybe they were, maybe not really. I just wouldn't know and the media hasn't researched or reported enough to know.
But what many who read about this issue don't really grasp is that these Filipinos were Filipino citizens at the time, being asked to fight in the Philipines for the Philipines.
If it was promised clearly, then they deserve what they were promised. But if it wasn't a clear written promise, just an interpretation, then I think its crazy for this country to pay foreign citizens because they were fighting for their own country.
That would be like Iraqis today demanding medical and pension benefits because they are helping the U.S. liberate their own country.
Sometimes this ole USA is too good of a country.
Chris

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Apr 20, 2008
 
Maybe we should give all the Iraqis who are helping us fight the insurgency veteran's benefits too!

I have nothing against fiipinos, but this wreaks of hogwash.
REAL

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"Roughly 120,000 Filipinos were drafted in 1941 to serve alongside U.S. forces in defending the Philippines --an American commonwealth at the time -- during World War II. Those Filipinos were promised the same veterans benefits as American servicemen, but Congress rescinded the pledge in 1946, when the Philippines gained independence."

General MacArthur promised the Filipino's that he would return but he didn't. That might have been a hint of things that would come.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
The Filipinos were fighting for their own country. They should be paying the USA from keeping their fredom and not speaking Japanese.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
if you put in 20 or more yrs, you got all the VA benefit..

If you put in less than 20 yrs and wounded during the war & documented, you only should get health care and burial.

If you put in less than 20 yrs. and get out in good health, you will only get burial VA benefit.

That's my 2 cent and that's what we got right now..
Please correct me if I'm wrong..
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mauihaole wrote:
pensions? For service during WWII? I don't know of American vets of wars that served 2-5 years getting any pensions.
All the other vet benefits seem fine, but not pensions.
Vets who are 65 yrs and older with low incomes under the law and who served in the military for 90 days, at least one day of which was in time of war, is entitled to VA pension. This is in accordance with the Federal Benefits for Veterans and Dependents, series of 2007, page 27.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
Snipe wrote:
if you put in 20 or more yrs, you got all the VA benefit..
If you put in less than 20 yrs and wounded during the war & documented, you only should get health care and burial.
If you put in less than 20 yrs. and get out in good health, you will only get burial VA benefit.
That's my 2 cent and that's what we got right now..
Please correct me if I'm wrong..
Americans fought and died to liberate the Phillipines, yet they did not receive any pensions, what make these Fillipino veterans any different? They should be appreciative their country is independent.

My dad fought in WWII, is Hawaiian and never received any pension let alone have an independent nation of Hawaii.

Besides, the pesos is worth allot less than dollars and they would be living like kings in the Phillipines.

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Apr 20, 2008
 
How many are still alive? This is crazy. They fought for their own freedom...we can't question Gen. MacArtur.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
If the congress approved this bill, how about those Korean & Vietnam Veterans who served only so many years and did not complete 20 years in service.I think they should be treated also the same.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
I believe that if these veterans were in fact inducted into the US armed forces they should be given their benefits. This problem, unfortunately, is part of the colonial legacy of the American empire in the Philippines.
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Apr 20, 2008
 
Outer Islander wrote:
I believe that if these veterans were in fact inducted into the US armed forces they should be given their benefits. This problem, unfortunately, is part of the colonial legacy of the American empire in the Philippines.
If a promise was made it should be clearly documented, so the Philippino's can prove their claim. The U.S. may have some responsibility because the Philippines was a U.S. Possession before, during and after the World War II. In addition, many Philippino soldiers were trained in the States and fought with mixed Philippino/U.S. units in the Philippines.

Other Philippino's, both soldiers and civilians fought with guerilla bands waiting for MacArthur to return. While fighting with U.S. forces, they were still Philippine nationals, not US, even though the Philippines at the time was a US possession. Clearly, promises couldn't have been made to everyone of Philippino descent who fought in one fashion or another with US forces.

If there is a clear claim based on a written rule or law of the time, then it should be easy to uncover and make known to all so the right thing can be done. If the Philippino's don't have anything in writing that can prove their claim, they should thank us for our help in liberating their country and forget about it.

Many don't know that in April of 1945, shortly after Mexico declared War on Japan, they sent the 201st Mexican Expeditionary Air Force Squadron to Clark Field, Philippines, to fly with US combat squadrons. I sure hope we don't have to pay them soldiers benefits!! My taxes are spread thin enough!

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Pensions? Our service men never got pensions for their war service. If this is the case, shouldn't the Chinese, French, Italian and Russian etc. resistance groups receive a pension? They helped us.
Akaka just wants to feel good pandering away our money. Too bad he can't bring money into Hawaii to benefit all its citizens.
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They were fighting for their own country. The Phillipines had all ready been promised full independence and that means they have their own country to fight for. If anything they should have to pay us for the more than 75,000 American soldiers and sailor who gave their lives to free the Phillipines. Why don't they ask Japan to pay them reparations. Akaka will divide any legislation by race just as he does with the Akaka Bill. It's too late, they been paid with freedom all ready.
If American forces hadn't still be occupying the Philippines in 1941 there wouldn't have been a war there. The Filipinos could have done the same thing that that Thais did and been much much better off.

Study the history of Thailand during World War II and you'll see how the only free nation in SE Asia at that time handled the Japanese.

And, if MacArthur hadn't insisted on returning to the Philippines in 1944, there could have been no more destruction in the Philippines then there was in Thailand.

Do your homework. Read the history books. Figure it out.

The Filipinos paid a tremendous price for the American occupation of their country (1898-1942) and WHATEVER promises Roosevelt made them when he needed their help against the Japanese should be honored IN FULL.

Don't be a racist.
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Get a life! You were drafted, organized, trained, and armed to fight because you couldn't do it yourselves. American lives were lost to help you save your country. You owe us, brah. What's the Filipino word for "shame"?
Read the history of the Philippines. We (Americans) shouldn't have been there in 1941.

We should have recognized the independence of the Philippines in 1898 when Aguinaldo (our ally during the Spanish-American War) proclaimed it.

As for "liberating" the Philippines in 1944 instead of waiting for the end of the war, that was more about MacArthur's ego than the welfare of the Filipinos.

Study the history of the Philippines and you'll see how MacArthur's handling of the "liberation" of Philippines resulted in more destruction than three years of Japanese occupation.

Do your homework. Study the history. Free your mind and educate yourself.
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Virg wrote:
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If a promise was made it should be clearly documented, so the Philippino's can prove their claim. The U.S. may have some responsibility because the Philippines was a U.S. Possession before, during and after the World War II. In addition, many Philippino soldiers were trained in the States and fought with mixed Philippino/U.S. units in the Philippines.
Other Philippino's, both soldiers and civilians fought with guerilla bands waiting for MacArthur to return. While fighting with U.S. forces, they were still Philippine nationals, not US, even though the Philippines at the time was a US possession. Clearly, promises couldn't have been made to everyone of Philippino descent who fought in one fashion or another with US forces.
If there is a clear claim based on a written rule or law of the time, then it should be easy to uncover and make known to all so the right thing can be done. If the Philippino's don't have anything in writing that can prove their claim, they should thank us for our help in liberating their country and forget about it.
Many don't know that in April of 1945, shortly after Mexico declared War on Japan, they sent the 201st Mexican Expeditionary Air Force Squadron to Clark Field, Philippines, to fly with US combat squadrons. I sure hope we don't have to pay them soldiers benefits!! My taxes are spread thin enough!
Good points. The difference that the Filipinos we're talking about are the ones who served as part of the American armed forces.

The Filipino guerrilas constitute another category and are not part of this legislation.

As for the Mexican pilots, they were members of the Mexican armed forces and were sent to the Philippines by the Mexican government. Since they were not part of the American armed forces they are not part of this legislation either.

The problem is that the American government made promises to the Filipino soldiers who served in the American armed forces during the war -- and now doesn't want to honor those promises.

Of course we saw the value of American promises when we bailed in the Republic of Vietnam ("South Vietnam") in 1975!

And now we wonder why the Iraqis don't trust!
give me a break

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Apr 20, 2008
 
I think akaka should,(like the akaka bill) inclide all 120,000 filipinos and all their families NO MATER HOW FAR AWAY/BACK THE RELATIONSHIP GOES, To make it equal, FAIR IS FAIR-----right hawaiians-----

Still from Kaneohe.
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JoeBlow, do you think the over 100,000 American and Filipino POW's held there had anything to do with our invading to roust the Japanese in 44? Perhaps?!?
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