FDA control of cigarettes endorsed

Coolmind wrote:

I guess some are just so entrenched into old paradigms they can't think out of the box and realize we aren't in the dark ages anymore, and it's time to move into enlightened times. USA has stood by and swallowed so much from Bush, so many rights taken away, so much growth in gov't, so much "big brother" type stuff. Why anyone would fight banning smokes is a puzzle to me. Many kids don't have parents that will teach them not to smoke.. many kids have parents who smoke and the kids will follow their lead. Sadly, it's the macho "good ole boy" hillbilly minded men who insist on the right to destroy themselves. Perhaps they should take all speed in that quest before taking more with them.
Peace.

You'd like to stop people from using tobacco and I'd like people to stop telling others what they should or shouldn't do "for their own good, of course".

Coolmind wrote:

I guess some are just so entrenched into old paradigms they can't think out of the box and realize we aren't in the dark ages anymore, and it's time to move into enlightened times. USA has stood by and swallowed so much from Bush, so many rights taken away, so much growth in gov't, so much "big brother" type stuff. Why anyone would fight banning smokes is a puzzle to me. Many kids don't have parents that will teach them not to smoke.. many kids have parents who smoke and the kids will follow their lead. Sadly, it's the macho "good ole boy" hillbilly minded men who insist on the right to destroy themselves. Perhaps they should take all speed in that quest before taking more with them.
Peace.

It's higly ironic that you complain of a "big brother gov't." on one hand, then wonder about why people would resist efforts to ban cig's., on the other hand. All in the same paragraph.

Are you trying to imply that we've lost so many rights, we should have no problem with losing a few more? Deal freedom the death of a thousand cuts why dontcha?

It's no occassion for puzzlement that people have seen the result of having particular substances banned?
BTW, tobacco is already banned for children. And if we still can't keep it away from kids, how do you think a general ban would work?

I don't want to have to live in a child-safe world where everthing not suitable for children is banned.

And ALWAYS ALWAYS, criminalizing something people really want causes more harm than good. Especially if that "something" is essentially victimless. Most people have little respect for a law against a "victimless" crime. And a law needs a significant majority of people to support it, or it goes largely ignored.

That's why your specious comparisons to seatbelt or speeding laws don't hold up. People understand the reasonableness of traffic laws, even if they don't always comply with them. "Vice" type laws are recognized for what they are. Fuel for the prison industrial complex and a cash cow for L.E. agencies and concern pimps.

Were I sure that the photo accompanying Coolmind’s posts were her I’d be tempted to resort to “blonde jokes.” However that picture is of an attractive lady and most of the blonds I’ve known, from hookers, Brown’s Gaslight Girls and Heffner’s Bunnies to daughters and widows of ministers have actually been quite intelligent and MUCH more tolerant of individual liberties. I rate myself as a fiscal conservative but a social libertarian and neither party wants me.

And most, even nonsmokers, did not mind “kissing an ashtray” in the least. In fact, though I’ve become (involuntarily) abstentious in the past five or so years, my former wife and I did not view kissing as banned by marriage vows, but going beyond that WAS. So I was monogamous for 40 years; though sorely tempted a few times by suggestions from those I kissed. I was not monogamous either before or after that marriage.

However most of those I’ve really kissed in the last five years have been no more than two-thirds my age and I’ve no interest in a partnership with those so young. In fact all those I’ve known and enjoyed since my marriage have been too active for me. I still DO enjoy kissing!

At least one of the reasons for disintegration of my marriage is somewhat similar to those in a country song of 1980 by John Conlee,“Friday Night Blues.”

My former wife and I have again become very close friends but neither of us has any physical or sexual attraction for the other much less an interest in renewing our “partnership.” In my view that’s one kind of love and it doesn’t depend on sex. I love quite a few men, starting with my sons, the same way but have never had any physical interest in any man.

Coolmind wrote:

I guess some are just so entrenched into old paradigms they can't think out of the box and realize we aren't in the dark ages anymore, and it's time to move into enlightened times.[b]USA has stood by and swallowed so much from Bush[/b], so many rights taken away, so much growth in gov't, so much "big brother" type stuff. Why anyone would fight banning smokes is a puzzle to me. Many kids don't have parents that will teach them not to smoke.. many kids have parents who smoke and the kids will follow their lead. Sadly, it's the macho "good ole boy" hillbilly minded men who insist on the right to destroy themselves. Perhaps they should take all speed in that quest before taking more with them.
Peace.

Oh Christ, I knew it would be just a matter of tiem before you turned this thing into a Bush bashing opportunity.

You truly are dense. Just dense. You are turning this into something that it's not. And advocating that these "hillbilly men" speed up their own demise is proof of what a condescending, pretentious, and CLOSE MINDED dolt you are.

You can live inside your tiny little bubble, bang away on your keyboard, and make these plain idiotic and fatuous arguments that the people are too stupid to think for themselves, but the fact remains. You have NO RIGHT to tell other people what they can, and can't do with their own lives.

Are you even READING the other posts in this thread? Are you getting ANY of the sensical, and rational thinking from the others posting on this thread? Are you even thinking at all?

Yeah, these "macho hillbilly men" are also the ones who are also police. They are also service members, they are also people YOU depend on everyday, the men AND women that make life possible for the rest of us. And you bash them by calling the "hillbillys"? WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU to pass judgement on anyone!?

I am sick of repeating myself, you obviously are going to stay an emptymind, and continue your condescending and pretentious bullsh*t, thinking that you are better than everyone else. But I suppose that's a good thing, everyone is getting fed up with you fascists telling everyone else how to live their lives, if there is ever going to be an "enlightening" in the coming years, it most certainly will be an enlightening of: "KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE'S BUSINESS".

Coolmind wrote:

Well, the facts remain; smoking is unhealthy in any amount. There are many carcinogenic chemicals in tobacco. People die from it. It's costs society money in many ways.

It used to be people got to make their own choices, and lived or died by them. Same with tobacco, until one day some do-good liberals decided society should pay the price for self-inflicted diseases. THAT is when it started costing society money...and look where it has taken us to. We have a medical system that is breaking because we believe people have a RIGHT to medical care regardless of the cost - even if the illness is self induced, like lung cancer, aids, etc.

Coolmind wrote:

Many laws are passed to protect people from their own lack of judgement. Much gov't money is spent on the bureucracy to regulate tobacco.

Yes, and it is WRONG. Protecting people from the consequences of their choices keeps them ignorant and encourages poor judgement. It also is robbing responsible people who want their freedom of choice and consequence. It is against the principles American is founded on. It is socialistic.

Coolmind wrote:

No one wants their kids to get tobacco. Tobacco should be taken off the market.

It is a parental resposibility to teach your children.

And no one wants their kids to be alcoholics, have premature sex, be gay, or any number of things that occur in this world, either, but I know you would oppose legislation aimed at these things.

Before you go nuts and say being gay is not a choice, let me point out that their are MANY people who need nicotine to moderate them.

You ask any person who works in a mental institution or prison what it would be like if the inmates couldn't have tobacco, and they will tell you it would be unmanageable.

Many people have mental chemical imbalances and NEED nicotine - they didn't choose to have chemical imbalances, but they do - and nicotine moderates them.

Coolmind wrote:

And, you and Burke just like to senselessly argue. OK.

I don't know "Burke", but it appears I have a broader range of experience and knowledge than you. I base my views on a big picture of maximum freedon with minimal impact on the whole. All it takes is for people to take responsibility for themselves and their choices.

There is no reason I - or anyone else - should have to bear the burden for someone elses bad choices. If you think otherwise, start and voluntary non-profit foundation to do it WITHOUT taxpayer dollars.

Coolmind wrote:

And sugar, unlike tobacco, is harmelss in moderation.

How long before they start telling us how much is moderation and how much is too much? We better regulate it, you know, because too much will kill you - and it costs society money in lots of ways.
And sugar, unlike tobacco, is harmelss in moderation.

Coolmind wrote:

Well, the facts remain; smoking is unhealthy in any amount. There are many carcinogenic chemicals in tobacco. People die from it. It's costs society money in many ways. Many laws are passed to protect people from their own lack of judgement. Much gov't money is spent on the bureucracy to regulate tobacco. No one wants their kids to get tobacco. Tobacco should be taken off the market. And, you and Burke just like to senselessly argue. OK.
And sugar, unlike tobacco, is harmelss in moderation.
Peace.

I suggest you are like a ROUND peg in a SQUARE hole.

You fit comfortably in that hole and think all the extra space around you is a waste and should - in your infinite wisdom - be eliminated.

It never occurs to you that their are SQUARE pegs who have just as much right to exist as you do - afterall, everyone you hang out with are ROUND pegs and your self-affirmation society agrees the ROUND pegs know what is best.

Now a SQUARE peg won't fit in a ROUND hole, but what the hell...you'll force fit it. Pound it into place in your ROUND world...which is, as everyone who matters knows, the right way!

The ROUND peg majority all agree, it is what's best for the SQUARE pegs, they just aren't smart enough to see the obvious.

Bush_Derangement_Syndrome wrote:

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Oh Christ, I knew it would be just a matter of tiem before you turned this thing into a Bush bashing opportunity.
You truly are dense. Just dense. You are turning this into something that it's not. And advocating that these "hillbilly men" speed up their own demise is proof of what a condescending, pretentious, and CLOSE MINDED dolt you are.
You can live inside your tiny little bubble, bang away on your keyboard, and make these plain idiotic and fatuous arguments that the people are too stupid to think for themselves, but the fact remains. You have NO RIGHT to tell other people what they can, and can't do with their own lives.
Are you even READING the other posts in this thread? Are you getting ANY of the sensical, and rational thinking from the others posting on this thread? Are you even thinking at all?
Yeah, these "macho hillbilly men" are also the ones who are also police. They are also service members, they are also people YOU depend on everyday, the men AND women that make life possible for the rest of us. And you bash them by calling the "hillbillys"? WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU to pass judgement on anyone!?
I am sick of repeating myself, you obviously are going to stay an emptymind, and continue your condescending and pretentious bullsh*t, thinking that you are better than everyone else. But I suppose that's a good thing, everyone is getting fed up with you fascists telling everyone else how to live their lives, if there is ever going to be an "enlightening" in the coming years, it most certainly will be an enlightening of: "KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE'S BUSINESS".

Great post

Why are so many arguing with "coolmind" so much?She*s not that important.

I hope the FDA gets control and they do their job.

And Maverick... they like to argue with me like boys in middle school like to tease the cute girls... its for attention..:)

Peace.

Coolmind wrote:

I hope the FDA gets control and they do their job.
And Maverick... they like to argue with me like boys in middle school like to tease the cute girls... its for attention..:)
Peace.

You're not being teased, you're being mocked.

Coolmind wrote:

Does anyone what their kids to smoke? No? Then why not outlaw them? We don't want our kids taking LSD, so we banned it.
Why keep cigarettes legal?

I didn't see in the article where it would only effect children did you? So Im totally against telling an adult if he or she can smoke.

testing,1,2,3.

Coolmind wrote:

I hope the FDA gets control and they do their job.
And Maverick... they like to argue with me like boys in middle school like to tease the cute girls... its for attention..:)
Peace.

An amazing - but not surprising - delusion. Definitely a new spin on the old "when you can't refute the facts, try to discredit the messenger" tactic.

Asi wrote:

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An amazing - but not surprising - delusion. Definitely a new spin on the old "when you can't refute the facts, try to discredit the messenger" tactic.

I doubt our friend emptymind is really a female. Maybe emptymind is a frustrated, overweight, unattractive, 17 year old high school drop-out. Judging by the many spelling and grammar mistakes, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Bush Derangement Syndrome wrote:

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I doubt our friend emptymind is really a female. Maybe emptymind is a frustrated, overweight, unattractive, 17 year old high school drop-out. Judging by the many spelling and grammar mistakes, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

LMAO!

Bush_Derangement_Syndrome wrote:

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...Drugs are made illegal because people will hurt others to get them..... People may die from smoking, but they don't steal from others to get cigarettes, and smoking certainly dones't impair ones ability to ......

Gotta disagree a little here. People don't steal from other to get cigarettes ONLY because they DON'T HAVE TO.

By making them illegal, you'll create a black market and you can bet your life, people WILL steal to get them.

Pot is not nearly as addicting as cigs., and people steal to get that. Not because it's addicting, but because it's illegal and there is no legitimate outlet. Therefore, the price is so high that many,(not all), will steal for it.

I had the misfortune one A.M. to wake up in a jail cell full of crackheads picked up the night before. Back then, smoking was allowed in jail. All the crackheads REALLY wanted was a cigarette. They would have traded me a rock of crack for one. And they certainly WOULD steal your cigarettes if you didn't defend them, literally with your life.

No drug has ever been removed from society by criminilization, unless you want to count China around the time of the Boxer Rebellion. But they slaughtered half the population to supress opium.

Criminalization does nothing but provide a retirement plan for a lot of dealers, and a constant supply of fresh bodies for the prison-industrial complex to fill up their warehouses with. Worse yet, prohibition disenfranchises millions of lower/working/middle class Americans and provides an excuse for the gov't., under the guise of protecting us, to destroy our civil liberties.

Maverick wrote:

Why are so many arguing with "coolmind" so much?She*s not that important.

Just a guess, but...

They're adolescent and she has an attractive profile photo?

Coolmind wrote:

I hope the FDA gets control and they do their job.
And Maverick... they like to argue with me like boys in middle school like to tease the cute girls... its for attention..:)
Peace.

Who's arguing? Most of us are stating facts that are you can't refute.
What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell," avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" -- what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!

Preston2 wrote:

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Just a guess, but...
They're adolescent and she has an attractive profile photo?

Yeah,that*s it.