Judge it!
This author is sadly misinformed......the GI bill does not pay for tuition....it pays the veteran some assistance money while he attends college (more money than the person who did NOT serve gets). It is people like this author who wants a handout and diminishes his service to his country.
I served and asked nothing in return yet hold 2 Masters degrees.(yes, I did use the GI Bill money but like most paid for my own tuition). I use the assistance money to help feed my kids while attending college.
Mel Martinez
Update GI Bill for veterans of 21st century
Since World War II, the GI Bill has been an integral part of military service. By paying for tuition, books and fees, and providing a monthly living stipend, the original program educated 7.8 million veterans ...
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I completed 2 years of college while in the service and never finished even though I could have tapped in to the GI Educational Bill. When the GI Bill was written men were being drafted into military service. Today you can only get in by being a volunteer.You know the benefits you will get. The GI Bill of yesterday was a hand up. Today it's a hand out.
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
Concise and correct! |
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Yes theGI Bill helped many after WWII, Korea, and Vietnam These were men who were drafted, and were paid very, very little for their service. A privates pay was $50.00 per month during WWII, and was still under $$100.00 per month during the Vietnam war
In 1973 when the draft was abolished, military pay and benefits were revised to lure the "Volunteer" soldier. Thus a private today makes $1245.00 per month, and has a version of a GI Bill that requires a contribution from the servicemember. |
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VA Loans for housing and the GI Bill for education. What more do they want? Continued free medical care. Bologna.
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Interestingly enough Pace University in New York just announced today that effective this fall, they will give veterans who served in Iraq or Afghanistan since 2001 a 50% discount to attend the University.....imagine that Florida Universities!!!!
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
Pace "University" is a private school that specializes in getting degrees out the door, not providing a well-rounded education. Think of it as job training, as opposed to intellectual development. Don't confuse a Pace Degree with a UF, FSU, or UCF education. |
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It is truly amazing that those who chose not serve their country are very vocal about what veterans deserve. I do not feel like the military gave me a handout, but they chose to ensure I was a productive member of society by giving me the opportunity to complete my degree. I know I deserve to be given the opportunity to get a degree because I sacrifice my youth to protect America and her allies around the world. I think more people should serve in the military, so they would have actually have invested in the American way of life. If a Vet gets a free education, he deserves one.
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
"Deserve?" "Sacrifice?" Your recruiter or somebody really did a job on you. I spent 21 years in AF blue and deemed it a privilege to serve. You had the opportunity to complete your education at Air Force expense had you stayed in, but obviously chose not to. I agree that there should be a draft, so more citizens would appreciate the true cost of freedom, but if you want to throw a pity party because you can't get a free degree for your service, please spare the rest of us! |
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at the "AF's expense" yeah, you can tell you were a senior nco, seems you forgot how when your at the bottom you pull the crap shifts and long hours for the first 10 years, but hey you sat at the top for the end of your tour and forgot that. People get out to go full time student can only help the country, at least you know they care about the friggin place enough to defend it. So now they want to enhance there knowledge so the US can have more intelligent people in the workforce that care for it and you call it pity? Seems like someone with blinders on to the world picture to me. How many people on the GI Bill get engineering degrees and build the bridges you drive on, people that normally would have never had the chance. How many of those people in the pity party finished there degrees and went back in the military or government and helped the country? I'm glad not everyone in the world has such a slim view of the situation.
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
Grow up and get a job. I worked my way through college (up to 5 jobs at a time) and got a masters on AD between flying B-52s 3 times a week, 10-12 hours per flight. It's a matter of how bad you want it, not who you can get to pay for it, but it is nt our problem, it's yours! |
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While I love the thought, the idea that a GI Bill for education can be created that will always pay for everything falls into the category of wishful thinking. I note that Aaron Alfson's education is at Columbia, while he uses UCF as an example of costs. Too bad he didn't say how he was doing on the current GI Bill while going to one of the more expensive schools in one of the most expensive areas in the country.
Another strange notation is that only democrat-proposed changes are praised and all republican changes are just not enough. Do we see an agenda here. Is it really all about the poor suffering veteran? I have some news for those of you not in the know. There is no way that any congress will ever pass a GI Bill that is more than a general subsidy for one's education. In a nation that prides itself on fairness, you can't award $20,000 a year to one veteran and $10,000 to another veteran simply because one chooses to enter a more expensive school. Nor will a bill come to pass that pays for all expenses. Why? Ask how you can budget for an open-ended expense. It can't be done. Is it a hardship to attend college with the current GI Bill? Surely, because you have to continue to find additional sources of income. You will probably also have to get a job, as well as apply for each and every scholarship for which you qualify. If you happen to be dumb enough to get married and start having kids while you are in college, as I did back when the GI Bill provided far less money monthly than it does now, those expenses literally destroy the time you have for studies. Under those conditions, you cut back on classes, so you can work more and the monthly stipend from the GI Bill runs out before you can finish school. It happens. It happened to me and I never did get a degree. It happened to others and they struggled through and finished their degrees. I may have complained about it but I knew whose fault it was that I ran out of money and had to get a real job. I would rather see any new legislation for the benefit of veterans be for better health care, not just because some veterans are needy, but because dedicated facilities such as those currently provided by the Veterans Administration have a better understanding of the health problems that many veterans commonly have. As for GI Bill educational benefits, improve it if possible, but remember that it is only an incentive, not a 100 percent guarantee. |
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You people are ignorant. The GI Bill is an elective fund fully paid for by the servicemembers themselves. For the first 12 months of their service, the soldier/sailor pays 100 per month. They are then eligible for 8 semesters of tuition assistance/living expense / whatever the hell they want to spend it on. There is a 10 year time limit.
Not a dollar of taxpayer money goes to the GI Bill. It should stay that way. |
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Poor Dave...never learned to read....or research....your post is truly humorous......why not start some intellectual reading on the subject.....the GI bill goes back a long way...
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
You are either dreaming or delusional. If a service person contributes $100/month for 1 year, they have amassed $1200. When that person separates, he/she is entitled to 36 months at $1101, or $39636 (http://www.gibill.va.gov/GI_B ill_Info/rates/CH30/ch30rates1 00107.htm). Their contributions are not invested (nobody is turning $1200 into $39,000 in 4 years these days); they are buying in to the program. Where do you suppose the extra $38,426 is coming from? You guessed it! That is not necessarily bad, because educated vets as a group are good workers. I would rather see tax $s go to vets trying to improve themselves than to people who won't work or improve their skills at all. As an investment in the country, GI education benefits represent one instance where the government got it right. My argument is not with the GI bill, but with the idiot who thinks he deserves a cost-paid education because he served |
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
Dave,
If you meant that all the $100 contributions go into a pool, from which current benefits are paid, the GI bill is what's called a "Ponzi Scheme," which is illegal in all 50 states, except for Social Security. |
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Thomas Shavel: Chester, New Hampshire : http://www.reunion.com/gsbl
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Gary_the_Writer stop being bitter. Your service is greatly appreciated today and as was during the Cold War. Also, why do you feel and think this new GI bill to be a handout?
As I said you are just bitter. You and The Shadow Knows are bitter because Uncle Sam shortchanged both of you at the time of your military service. Just be honest, you guys don't want to see the current soldiers receive better treatment. In fact, you guys want every current and new soldiers coming in to receive the lowest and minimum benefit they can ever receive. If you guys are in Congress, I have no doubt in my mind you guys would pass a law stopping the pension or any bill that would increase any benefit for all those soldiers who came in in the 1990s just to say "for fiscal budgeting sake." Yea, stop hiding your bitterness. This is another classic example of a fight between the haves and have-nots. Sir, I am disappointed at your selfish attitude and you are trying too hard to justify to yourself and to others why the United States of America should not give an all-volunteer US military armed forces the benefit of an all expense paid college education. College education even after all the exceptions has been said in the end of the day really contributes to the betterment in society and especially in economy. Sir, as a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom with 3 years active duty, 6 months tour (2003) and currently serving in the Army Reserve who will be deploying later this year for a 1 year tour to Iraq - let me say this, I want that college degree so badly even if I have to starve from time to time just not to end up like The Shadows Knows or like any veteran who just gave up. I am currently a junior in college, but hey, the Army Reserve do not care about that and because of obligation/duty I have to go. Graduation year moved again, guessing I'll be 28 by the time I graduate. But hey, you don't want me to get any extra help in fact you want me to experience what you went through like being in debt and sometimes bitter against the government who will lie through their teeth just to screw the current generation of soldiers. It is just like Viet-nam all over again just because the majority of the US population do not like the current war this does not give the public and politicians the right to automatically screw the soldiers over and over again. Basically, this is what I got from you guys of old age "cry me a river" and "stop whining." When in reality, current young soldiers who served for 4 years of their lives who gets out at the age of 22 faces a world with increasing expenses from gas, food, and rent while being paid the lowest wage that can be earned then they have Uncle Sam's current GI BILL that is mediocre which is supposedly to help soldiers get a 4 year college degree is a broad misconception that in truth is an outright lie in today's age. |
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I did not use any profanity in my response. So, to the readers please do not misunderstand. Apparently, this site do not allow the word I used which is a slang meaning to cheat or take advantage of (someone). So, let me rephrase those with asterisks:
"who will lie through their teeth just to cheat the current generation of soldiers. It is just like Viet-nam all over again.... does not give the public and politicians the right to automatically take advantage or cheat the soldiers over and over again." Now, it is much better. I personally do not like using profanity because it makes anyone who uses it less educated and are less respected as well. |
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Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Comments: 572 ISP: Sanford, FL |
Show me where the GI bill is for a "4 year college degree." The GI bill is intended to help with college or technical training, period. The minimum wage experience is familiar to all of us who went to college without a rich daddy. Get over your pity party and get on with it! |
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