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Clearing up Florida oil-rig rhetoric: What does drilling mean f...

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Chris

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Jun 30, 2008
 
Mac-7 wrote:
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Agreed.
The sooner we get started on more drilling for oil in this country the sooner we will have that oil, whether it is 5 years or 10 years from now.
We? Exactly who will have this oil 5, 10, 15 or 20 years from now? Are we going to nationalise it? Or, as is legally required under current US law, are the corporations going to sell to the highest bidder?
Sean Vanity

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Jul 1, 2008
 
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>We? Exactly who will have this oil 5, 10, 15 or 20 years from now? Are we going to nationalise it? Or, as is legally required under current US law, are the corporations going to sell to the highest bidder?
Never did like the word nationalize/nationalizm. The next words that will inevitably follow are socialism/communism. If we nationilze the oil companies, who's next? Obvioulsy heath care is high on the list.

That being said. We should probably have some kind of restrictions in the export of domestic crude and its domestically produced byproducts if we don't have these already. including gasoline
Chris

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Jul 1, 2008
 
Call it what you will, I'm not sure it's any more effective than just providing direct subsidy, i.e. government subsidised energy.

Countries the world over have taken that route. However it also has the side effect of increasing consumption. So would any scheme to lower the price below the 'market rate'.

I can imagine socialising medicine before finite natural resources like oil. You don't have to actually buy oil or gas to survive, you do need to get treated if you get run over by a car.

The only other option is some type of rationing. That is actually more fair, keeps the price down without taking anything from the taxpayers or oil companies. Plus, I can sell my extra rations to you!

You think there is some price point we would go to that?
MACLEOD

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Jul 8, 2008
 
well stated...
Schwindt wrote:
Offshore oil drilling is an illogical, even a disastrous, solution to the problem of oil prices for three key reasons. First, there is always the concern over environmental damage caused by oil rigs or by the tankers carrying the oil across the Gulf of Mexico. A Harvard Medical School study in 2002 found that,“oil rigs contaminate sediments, fish and fish consumers with mercury at levels far exceeding EPA standards.” The report went further in saying that,“Operational discharges of water, drill cuttings and mud have chronic effects on benthic (bottom-dwelling) marine communities, mammals, birds and humans.” This means that there are severe environmental impacts to offshore drilling, providing a reason for keeping the moratorium.
Second, it will have no long term benefits to jobs or business. In a report from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives it was found that,“Offshore oil and gas projects are notoriously expensive and, though they are initially pitched as purely private enterprises, they often require extensive government subsidies to succeed.” This will mean the government will have to invest large amounts of money to build up the infrastructure which means the benefits are decreased because of the projects inherent expensiveness. In addition, the report found that,“…offshore oil and gas projects create few jobs, and even fewer local jobs.” This is because of the length of time it takes to develop the necessary provisions for the project and because of the tremendous cost to the companies.
Third, it will have no effect on oil prices. Republicans in Congress make out the solution to be a miracle cure for the oil crisis, saying it will lower prices. The problem is not necessarily the amount of oil, but the time. According to the Orlando Sentinel it would take 5-10 years simply to get the gas to you. By then oil prices would have gone down and the US would no longer be in a recession. The length of time renders the project useless because it has no long term worth. We should focus instead on alternative energy which would be cheaper than gasoline (at the moment it is) and it would end our dependence on oil, providing more opportunities for economic development.

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#46
Jul 10, 2008
 
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>We? Exactly who will have this oil 5, 10, 15 or 20 years from now? Are we going to nationalise it? Or, as is legally required under current US law, are the corporations going to sell to the highest bidder?
I keep reading references by liberal critics of the oil companies to selling to the highest bidder.

I don't know why this troubles some people so much.

The oil companies will sell the oil at the market price, but I don't forsee them exporting it to China while American motorists have to wait in line for their gasoline rations.

Is that really what some people are afraid will happen?
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#47
Jul 12, 2008
 
I absolutely agree that simple minds require or look for simply solutions. This is a crisis and it should be handled as one. To do nothing at all is a huge mistake. Let's look at the history of Brazil or Argentina to see how they achieved energy indepenence. Then see how the model could be modified for our country. I agree that our lawmakers and the oil companies have not been truthful with their constituanes or their common stock holders. But now is not the time to point fingers. Now is the time to exercise your voice to your congressman or senators to move these people to do the will of those that vote for them. The power of one is tremendous and one together is powerful. Speak to those in control or be quiet. Like another bloggers here: either be apart of the solution or know that you are apart of the problem.
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Jul 13, 2008
 
Mac-7 wrote:
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I keep reading references by liberal critics of the oil companies to selling to the highest bidder.
I don't know why this troubles some people so much.
The oil companies will sell the oil at the market price, but I don't forsee them exporting it to China while American motorists have to wait in line for their gasoline rations.
Is that really what some people are afraid will happen?
Of course that is what will happen. There are two types of rationing-by price and by fixed amount per person/car/other unit of measurement. Right now we have the former. If it gets too expensive then it will switch to the latter to lower the price.

That would actually encourage oil companies to sell oil overseas...and besides, we import 2/3 of our oil, so no exporting needed. No amount of drilling will change that ratio much.

Read american coporate law. If they bring oil here to sell it cheaper than they could in China out of the goodness of their hearts, their shareholders would sue (and win).

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Jul 13, 2008
 
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>Of course that is what will happen..
We are currently importing 60 percent of the oil we use.

So why would we export oil that we'll just have to turn around and import again?

This is an unfounded fear.
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Jul 13, 2008
 
Mac-7 wrote:
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We are currently importing 60 percent of the oil we use.
So why would we export oil that we'll just have to turn around and import again?
This is an unfounded fear.
There are plenty of other people out there that would like that oil. Espically if the supply does not grow or actually shrinks like many people think will happen.

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Jul 13, 2008
 
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>There are plenty of other people out there that would like that oil. Espically if the supply does not grow or actually shrinks like many people think will happen.
Chris,

Think about what you are saying.

We are importing oceans of oil every day.

If these other people want more oil they could simply get it straight from the source in Africa or the Middle East instead of from us.

And if they do take the oil we want then we will need our own supplies even more.
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#53
Aug 6, 2008
 
It won't take more than 2 years to get oil to the consumer, and what's the alternative anyway? The Dems are against Nuclear, Oil Shale, Coal and Drilling. The Governator of Ca is even getting grief from the greenies against "Solar" (worried about a rat Habitat) where they want to set up panels and "Wind" (worried about birds flying into Prop blades)DRILL for oil and invest in Nuke pwr and emerging technology or keep bending over for the middle east. Easy Choice?
Jim Callahan

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Aug 8, 2008
 
GOV. CRIST(R) TO REQUIRE 20% RENEWABLE
"renewable power makes up less than 3 percent of Florida's total.

That was unacceptable to Gov. Charlie Crist. He says 20 percent of the state's energy should be coming from renewable sources like wind, solar, biomass and geothermal energies by 2020. He recently signed a major energy bill that directs utility regulators to draft rules for increased renewable energy production."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/sta...

Question: Can the old AT&T/Lucent Technology/Agere plant (John Young & Beeline) be converted to produce solar cells?

If we have silicon (sand), we have sun, we have a plant and now we have demand, why not produce solar cells here instead of importing them from China or California?

Jim Callahan
Orlando, FL
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