Vietnamese native's case going to trial

The president asked and got a law to hold people indefinitely and then they say, "Washington has made the removal of the decree a top priority in its human-rights dialogue with Vietnam."

Their decree is; they can hold people for two years for protecting national security.

No wonder the rest of the world hates US.

Does anybody have a BRAIN in Washington???

This is a good point. But you left out a few details.
In US laws, when the US is at war, all bets are off. Meaning, because there is a war going on, those people are prisoners of war(POW). POW don't have the rights as normal prisoners. The country cannot trial them because the war is not over. For the purpose of winning the war, the US must hold them indefinitely. In peace time or if the defendent is an American, he or she would be trial ASAP.
But, since we know the war against terrorism can last a long time, a couple of weeks ago, Congress changed the laws to aloud the US to trial the POW before the war ends. The US is doing this because of international pressured, even though, the US did nothing wrong by holding POW indefinitely.

Vietnam is not at War. VN cannot use the same excuse as the US. Therefore, VN cannot justify holding people for a long time without a trial. Even for national security. Doing so is a violation of human rights.
I don't think VN even has laws concerning this issue. Those commies just do what they want, than say "Vietnam Laws".

Hay wait a minute, you are a communist, no wonder, LOL.

Another thing. Do you know why VN gov't is holding dessidents for so long without trial?

The main reason: VN does not know how to trial the dessidents. VN does not have enough evediences to prosecute them. Instead, the gov't used the same excuse as the US and hold them indefinitely, even though they are not the same.

To me, VN is and will be for many years to come, a follower, a copycat. Nothing original what so ever.

Firrea,
No any justice system is perfect. If anyone says US justice system is perfect is a stupid liar. US justice system should be modified and some laws need to be revised to save hundred billion dollars for tax payers.
Back to the case of Cuc Foshee who was prosecuted and put in jail by Vietnam. She was caught with a couple of other oversea Vietnamese trying to take over the radio station. That stupid woman has a daughter who is a lawyer in Florida. When she returned to visit Vietnam, she thought like many stupid oversea Vietnamese that a US passport holder means she could do whatever she want in Vietnam like breaking the law, disturbing the public, taking the radio station to spread the anti-government messages, looking down at other Vietnamese citizens simply she is a US citizen and US will protect her even at her fault.
I applaud the prosecution of that stupid woman who thinks her US citizenship is above all the Vietnamese laws.
I want to advise all Vietnamese Americans who will return to visit relatives in Vietnam please do not break any law while you're in Vietnam. Don't ever think you're American citizens means you're above all the Vietnamese laws and don't ever think you're American citizen mean you're better than your Vietnamese overthere.

Allen,
First, I never said anything about US justice system being perfect. But since you brought it up, I'd rather be trial by the US justice system then by any other systems in the world. In my opinion, it is CLOSEST to perfect than any others. And I agree, no justice system is perfect.
Second, I don't know what Cuc Foshee did in VN. As a matter of fact, I don't care. Hearing those commies accusing the woman of her crimes is like hearing a child saying "I don't like candy". All of those statements accusing the woman are garbages. I'm not going to listen to garbages, one-sided story. Until you trial her and give her the right to defend herself, she is not guilty. If she is not guilty, you cannot imprisoned her. I guess you never heard of a statement, "innocent until proven guilty".
As for what she think of Vietnamese citizens and what and who will protect her just because she a US citizen, it's irrelevant. Those are her opinions. You cannot prosecute an opinion. You cannot mixed apples with oranges, Allen.
Third, breaking the Laws? Your last couple of statements are hilarious. You stating something that a child already know. Either you are an uneducated person or you yourself think you are better, smarter than others, by reminding us not to break the laws? LOL.
By the way, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW I AM BETTER THAN VIETNAMESE IN VIETNAM. Better, NOT because I'm American citizen or any smarter, but because I'm not Vietnamese citizens living in VN. I'm glad that I was not brainwashed by the commies. I'm glad to be free of communist's manipulation. I'm better because I have freedom.

Bottom line, you have to give the woman the right to defend herself. You have to give her, her human-rights. VN failed to do that.

FIRREA wrote:

This is a good point. But you left out a few details.
In US laws, when the US is at war, all bets are off. Meaning, because there is a war going on, those people are prisoners of war(POW). POW don't have the rights as normal prisoners. The country cannot trial them because the war is not over. For the purpose of winning the war, the US must hold them indefinitely. In peace time or if the defendent is an American, he or she would be trial ASAP.
But, since we know the war against terrorism can last a long time, a couple of weeks ago, Congress changed the laws to aloud the US to trial the POW before the war ends. The US is doing this because of international pressured, even though, the US did nothing wrong by holding POW indefinitely.
Vietnam is not at War. VN cannot use the same excuse as the US. Therefore, VN cannot justify holding people for a long time without a trial. Even for national security. Doing so is a violation of human rights.
I don't think VN even has laws concerning this issue. Those commies just do what they want, than say "Vietnam Laws".
Hay wait a minute, you are a communist, no wonder, LOL.

Ok It's been 17 hours since you posted.
You should be sober now.
Go ahead a rebut with a cogent response unless you were sober and are just obtuse.

Really Sad State wrote:

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Ok It's been 17 hours since you posted.
You should be sober now.
Go ahead a rebut with a cogent response unless you were sober and are just obtuse.

No, it was 6 hours ago. I think you're the one need to be sober.

Instead of just calling names, why don't you response to my posts. I'm all for any of your opinion, please contradict me. Why don't you open my mind to the world. Don't worry, if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

No, if you you look it's been 17 (now 18) hours since you first posted.

It's really sad that you can call a Viet Vet a communist.

Wow, you really are lost.

You need to read more before posting.

hey you all need a break now, go to sleep ok, to me if you beaking the law no matter where you are, all should be a prisoner of that country,
and will be trial by there law,
if you think there are commies no law/right ther don't play stupid with them, stay away from trouble and have fun while you are in VN, it 's allot of thing there you can enjoy,
i'm VN and us citizen live Cali for 30 yrs now, never come back to VN once, I will some time,

Really Sad State wrote:

No, if you you look it's been 17 (now 18) hours since you first posted.
It's really sad that you can call a Viet Vet a communist.
Wow, you really are lost.
You need to read more before posting.

LOL, where is that "first" come from? Your word, "been 17 hours since you posted". Am I right or am I wrong? You couldn't even admit your mistake.
A Viet Vet? Don't care. Viet Vet can be a communist, too. But communist is not a bad word. Just people make it looks bad.
Am I lost? Well, why don't you straighten me out. I need a good lesson.

First of all, the communist government in Vietnam can make up any law overnight to jail people. Since "terrorist" has become a touchy word in the US, They'll just use it to make it look like a terror case. Have they caught Cuc Foshee with a gun? No! They have no proofs at all of whatever she's done. The only guilt Cuc Foshee can admit is she's a democracy activist and want freedom and democracy for Vietnam and its people. Why does she fight for that? Ask the many millions who fight for that, among them count Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel and others who fought against tyrany and oppressive governments such as the communist government in Vietnam. back in August, they put another US citizen Cong Thanh Do w/o charges, they had to release him because of the pressure put up by the Vietnamese community in the US with the help of Congressmembers. More and more people are revolting agaisnt the Communist government, and are demanding a change in the country and system, as Communism is as outdated and wrong as Stalin, Lenin and Ho Chi Minh. Try to look up for "Bloc 8406" on Google to see what I mean.
Btw, thanks Firrea for defending the oppressed people of Vietnam!

I don't get people who are still defending the communists. Why didn't they try to move to the Soviet when it was still up and running. Have they even wonder as to why the red block collapsed? It's because people didn't want it. And Communism is not working as the way Marx and Engel were imaginating it would. It was an utopia! Reality in communist countries are people are be jailed and killed because they didn't want to follow the communists. Under the Communist rule, you are a criminal if you are a land owner, teacher, religious person, businessperson, intellectual, scholar, parent, worker, etc... not being a Communist is a crime. And you know what? Their law says you're "guilty until proven innocent". You have to confess your crime any crime even though you didn't commit any. Remember Chinese Cultural Revolution? Vietnam had the same. Now you still can be jailed for any reason. Now they create new laws so broad they can jsut jailed anyone they want. Ven. Thich Quang Do is who is a 2 time Nobel Peace Prize nominee and the 2006 Rafto Human Right Winner is being under house arrest and jail for most of his life because he wants freedom for his Church and the Vietnamese people.
This is just some thoughts for the Commies apologists and sympathizers.

I applaud the Vietnamese court will put those stupid Oversea Vietnamese on trial for their terrorist act against Vietnamese people.
Those stupid US passport holders thought their US citizenship are above the laws in Vietnam.
They tried to take over radio station to spread anti-government messages.
I hope all of them will be locked in jail for good.

FIRREA wrote:

Allen,
By the way, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW I AM BETTER THAN VIETNAMESE IN VIETNAM.

Wrong- The VC settled this in 74 when they kicked your American ass.

allen wrote:

I applaud the Vietnamese court will put those stupid Oversea Vietnamese on trial for their terrorist act against Vietnamese people.
Those stupid US passport holders thought their US citizenship are above the laws in Vietnam.
They tried to take over radio station to spread anti-government messages.
I hope all of them will be locked in jail for good.

Allen,
Why are you keep repeating the same sentences everytime you defensed your communist country? Do you have any other views other than these statements? Not only that you were brainwashed, but you also have a tiny little brain, or it's just a tape recorder. Those commies recorded, you repeated.

Dam, those commies propaganda is everywhere. I better watch what I'm saying in these forums...NOT.

Man, I love this country. "Let freedom rings" you son of a bi!ch, VC!!!!

Gillie wrote:

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Wrong- The VC settled this in 74 when they kicked your American ass.

This is a perfect VC comment. Just take part of a paragraph, left out the rest, than talk trash.

Yes, the VC did made the American left VN. But no, the VC did not kicked their ass. Instead they kicked the VC ass. I don't think if you know it or not, but the VC lost more lives than the USA, in fact more than 10 to 1.
It was like this. The USA beated the sh!t out of the VC for like 10 rounds(years) of fighting. In the 11th round, the bloody VC kept standing up even with a broken leg. The USA guy felt sorry for what he did to the VC, so he just quit fighting. The VC thought that he had won, but instead he lost. For 30 years the VC never could get his head out of the water. Would've better if the VC stay down.

VN don't have laws. The reason they keep Foshee so long because they want to bring Nguyen Huu Chanh back to VN from korea so they can put them on trial all together.

There should be no mercy, but hard policy, dealing with anti-vietnam government.

Firrea, once again you're right. The Communists alway lvoe to distort History. If you ask them who won the World War II, they'd say Red China defeated Japan. Isn't that right Nuclear? The end of the war had nothign to do with the US dropping the Bomb on Japan? Right? In their twisted mind and wanting to take credits for all and everything, they'll say they won the war in fact every war. The fall of Saigon was just a lost battle in the war for democracy and freedom. Vietnam has a history of 4000 years, the Communists only took over the North for 60 years, and the south for 30 years. Let's see how long they will last now. The people of Vietnam will be free again of oppression.

bmvu wrote:

Firrea, once again you're right. The Communists alway lvoe to distort History. If you ask them who won the World War II, they'd say Red China defeated Japan. Isn't that right Nuclear? The end of the war had nothign to do with the US dropping the Bomb on Japan? Right? In their twisted mind and wanting to take credits for all and everything, they'll say they won the war in fact every war. The fall of Saigon was just a lost battle in the war for democracy and freedom. Vietnam has a history of 4000 years, the Communists only took over the North for 60 years, and the south for 30 years. Let's see how long they will last now. The people of Vietnam will be free again of oppression.

Sore losers. Seems you can only win a war by committing the largest terrorist attack in history by dropping an atomic bomb killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Japan. Cowards.