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McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack

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Ex-POWs say McCain experience clear
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ST. PAUL, Minn.| There are 24 of them here, the men who went through hell with John McCain in Vietnamese prison camps four decades ago.
A few are politicking and organizing, but most are here simply to support the man they say represents a choice for America between honor and image.
"There is a waning sense of honor and duty ... and that is troubling. And this election may be all about that very thing," said Orson Swindle, who was a cellmate with Mr. McCain for two years in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison camp.
"Do we want to have an 'American Idol' election, or do we want to elect a man who is capable of doing great things and solving big problems?" said Mr. Swindle, one of several speakers who will formally nominate Mr. McCain for president Wednesday.
Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, is viewed by Mr. McCain's "band of brothers" with a mixture of paternal condescension and disbelief that the younger man has drawn massive popular support.
"In my mind, there's no choice.[Mr. McCain is] so well-qualified, better than the opposition," said Dave Wheat, 68, of Duluth, Minn., who was shot down in October 1965 and imprisoned by the Viet Cong for more than seven years.
"Barack Obama repeatedly scares the hell out of me because of his naivete," Mr. Swindle said. "He has no qualifications for the job other than that he's a hell of a nice guy."
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Mr. McCain, a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War, was imprisoned in camps for almost six years after being shot down in his fighter plane on Oct. 26, 1967.
He has not faced the military opposition that helped sink the 2004 presidential campaign of Democrat John Kerry, a fellow Vietnam veteran.
BARBARA L. SALISBURY/THE WASHINGTON TIMES "We knew [John McCain] as an equal," said Vietnam War veteran Rob Knutson of Thompson Falls, Mont., who was shot down on the same day as Mr. McCain.
Fellow former prisoners of war said Mr. McCain's experience of torture and captivity stands as an undeniable testament to his character, toughness and patriotism that Mr. Obama cannot touch.
Former POWs interviewed by The Washington Times said they were hoping for a few moments in private with Mr. McCain.
"Everyone wants to tug at his coat and tell him,'Gee, you ought to do this,'" said John L. Borling, 68, a former POW from Rockford, Ill. "We'll be respectful and cautious with respect to offering gratuitous ideas."
"Each of us will carry not only a personal message of support, but we've probably got a favorite thought or two that we want to be able to share privately," he said.
The stories that have been published by many POW's during those years stated that much of the torture and beatings were done on an individual basis, NOT group sessions. Sen. McCains scars on his back and arms were certainly not self inflicted. After the last 8 years, when you think the far left can't get any lower, you come up with "he wasn't tortured." Boy, you guys walk in wheel rut!
The wall street journal is another rag bought by rupert murdock (the owner of fox lies) and can not be trusted. It is now part of the republican propaganda machine. When will you people wake up and realize you are sending this country to its doom by buying into this bs.
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By the way did you see who wrote this article? Karl Rove the biggest liar on earth. And it also says in big letters across the top OPINION. That means is is horse shit.
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This isn't logical either.
Let me guess: The voices in your head tell you what to write, right?
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Its the rule in any court of law. Once you tell a lie your whole testimony is impeached....lol

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Boy you guys sure can not handle the truth can you? McCain spilled his guts in the pow camp! He even admits to it so what is your problem? You morons just can't handle the truth. He was always a looser and he still is.
We didn't know you were at the Hanoi Hilton back then to see all that! Yeah, right.

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The wall street journal is another rag bought by rupert murdock (the owner of fox lies) and can not be trusted. It is now part of the republican propaganda machine. When will you people wake up and realize you are sending this country to its doom by buying into this bs.
We know, and speaker Pelosi just works "for the people!" There is this little device that goes with your TV, it's called remote. Learn to use it.
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I've shown you links several times, yet you still prefer to believe your "unofficial" and personal source. You are a disgrace.
I know a disable Vet who lost a leg to shrapnel in this fire. He said McCain ordered his plane "over-loaded" with heavier bombs than could safely be carried. It contributed to the accident.
We need to hear more from folks who were present on that ship.
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mccain was given a place in vietnam and was supplied with 'nam prostitutes according to a prison guard in vietnam in exchange for lies against our country. mccain's lies helped fuel the anti-war protests. the communists loved mccain.
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We didn't know you were at the Hanoi Hilton back then to see all that! Yeah, right.
You were not there either asshole. McCain has admitted to spilling his guts so why do I need to be there. Like I said you donkeys can not handle the truth even when it comes from your own hero. You get on here and state you dumb ass opinion a lot but your posts are devoid of facts or valid sources. Face it McCain is a Looser that crashed 5 planes, killing over 100 US service men, then got captured and spilled his guts like a little bitch. Then he cheated on his wife when he got home from nam, and finally dumped her for a newer model. This guy has real character, just like you dumb ass.
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MSNBC got another annoying character, Maddow.
She too won't stop yapping trash to take a breath to the point of choking.
It must be contagious!
Or maybe she swallowed a radio....lol.
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We know, and speaker Pelosi just works "for the people!" There is this little device that goes with your TV, it's called remote. Learn to use it.
What the hell are you babling about now? What does Pelosi have to do with anything? You really need to lay of your medication.
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TNT wrote:
MSNBC got another annoying character, Maddow.
She too won't stop yapping trash to take a breath to the point of choking.
It must be contagious!
Or maybe she swallowed a radio....lol.
Yeah, it is annoying when somebody speaks the truth to the right wing lie machine.

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You were not there either asshole. McCain has admitted to spilling his guts so why do I need to be there. Like I said you donkeys can not handle the truth even when it comes from your own hero. You get on here and state you dumb ass opinion a lot but your posts are devoid of facts or valid sources. Face it McCain is a Looser that crashed 5 planes, killing over 100 US service men, then got captured and spilled his guts like a little bitch. Then he cheated on his wife when he got home from nam, and finally dumped her for a newer model. This guy has real character, just like you dumb ass.
Such language! Shouldn't you be in class. Does your 8th grade teacher even care that your missing? No, I guess not. I've been married to the same girl for 39 years, I am a retired school principal and was responsible for rebuilding two low performing schools. I served in the military back in the 60's and have seen more, done more in my life than a loser like you will do in ten lifetimes. You don't know John McCain from the zits on your face. We can handle the truth because we know it. Losers like you follow the liberal spin like a bunch of zombies. See you Nov. 4th.

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What the hell are you babling about now? What does Pelosi have to do with anything? You really need to lay of your medication.
Medication is fine. Just proving a point that you make, you only criticize what you don't know. Try reading some newspapers. Your gal speaker is as crooked as they come. You criticize the conservatives, but look at the pork on the liberal side. You'll be shocked.

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Boy you guys sure can not handle the truth can you? McCain spilled his guts in the pow camp! He even admits to it so what is your problem? You morons just can't handle the truth. He was always a looser and he still is.
BTB, loser has only one "O".

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From former POW's to the losers criticizing John McCain. Hang on to your seats, the truth hurts the liberals!

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Such language! Shouldn't you be in class. Does your 8th grade teacher even care that your missing? No, I guess not. I've been married to the same girl for 39 years, I am a retired school principal and was responsible for rebuilding two low performing schools. I served in the military back in the 60's and have seen more, done more in my life than a loser like you will do in ten lifetimes. You don't know John McCain from the zits on your face. We can handle the truth because we know it. Losers like you follow the liberal spin like a bunch of zombies. See you Nov. 4th.
As usual you do not have a clue what you are talking about. I am a succesful buisness man running two buisnesses. I severed in nam for two tours of duty starting in 1970. What does your stupid marital status have to do with anything? My wife of 27 years and I have put two kids through college.
You were a principal that explains a lot. You know what they say, "if you can't do, then teach".
Like I said before John McCain is a rael looser and so are you!!!

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Have a nice day, everyone. Off to fall baseball to work with some kids on their hitting, fielding and pitching skills. God Speed John McCain.
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Boy you guys sure can not handle the truth can you? McCain spilled his guts in the pow camp! He even admits to it so what is your problem? You morons just can't handle the truth. He was always a looser and he still is.
You need too quit your lies and learn the truth...

The statement

Sen. John McCain was a "Hanoi Hilton songbird" who collaborated with the enemy.

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain, on Tuesday, in a flier sent to news organizations in South Carolina

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This claim is strongly contradicted by many accounts reviewed by PolitiFact: interviews with other POWs, an author who has written a McCain biography and the senator's own accounts. Because of the seriousness of the charge, the utter absence of evidence and the clear intention to harm McCain just days before a critical Republican primary, we find this claim to be Pants on Fire wrong.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/18/Worldandnat...
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mccain was given a place in vietnam and was supplied with 'nam prostitutes according to a prison guard in vietnam in exchange for lies against our country. mccain's lies helped fuel the anti-war protests. the communists loved mccain.
Another lie get a life...
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As usual you do not have a clue what you are talking about. I am a succesful buisness man running two buisnesses. I severed in nam for two tours of duty starting in 1970. What does your stupid marital status have to do with anything? My wife of 27 years and I have put two kids through college.
You were a principal that explains a lot. You know what they say, "if you can't do, then teach".
Like I said before John McCain is a rael looser and so are you!!!
First off pal your a liar and second do you think you are the only guy to go to Vietnam? Post your DD214 showe make me a believer!

The statement

Sen. John McCain was a "Hanoi Hilton songbird" who collaborated with the enemy.

Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain, on Tuesday, in a flier sent to news organizations in South Carolina

The ruling

This claim is strongly contradicted by many accounts reviewed by PolitiFact: interviews with other POWs, an author who has written a McCain biography and the senator's own accounts. Because of the seriousness of the charge, the utter absence of evidence and the clear intention to harm McCain just days before a critical Republican primary, we find this claim to be Pants on Fire wrong.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/18/Worldandnat...
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