McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack

JAMES ECUADOR wrote:

<quoted text>He may be many things, but a coward he is not.Try spending 5 years in captivity and then write your comment.

Try being in the line of fire for five years...thats' tougher

OHgof6 wrote:

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Try being in the line of fire for five years...thats' tougher

I think getting whipped, tortured, having your hands tied and your arms raised behind you until they are about to pop is "being in the line of fire!"

Think America wrote:

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Nice try no cohiba! Obama is as corrupt and not to be trust.

Nice comeback.

Prove it.

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

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I think getting whipped, tortured, having your hands tied and your arms raised behind you until they are about to pop is "being in the line of fire!"

Seems as though there was no other POW that actually witnessed these acts against McCain. What I have read from some fellow POW's is that he was gave information for favors.

To you from Col. Bud Day.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209516068474...

From the Washington Times:

Ex-POWs say McCain experience clear
Jon Ward (Contact)
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
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ST. PAUL, Minn.| There are 24 of them here, the men who went through hell with John McCain in Vietnamese prison camps four decades ago.

A few are politicking and organizing, but most are here simply to support the man they say represents a choice for America between honor and image.

"There is a waning sense of honor and duty ... and that is troubling. And this election may be all about that very thing," said Orson Swindle, who was a cellmate with Mr. McCain for two years in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison camp.

"Do we want to have an 'American Idol' election, or do we want to elect a man who is capable of doing great things and solving big problems?" said Mr. Swindle, one of several speakers who will formally nominate Mr. McCain for president Wednesday.

Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, is viewed by Mr. McCain's "band of brothers" with a mixture of paternal condescension and disbelief that the younger man has drawn massive popular support.

"In my mind, there's no choice.[Mr. McCain is] so well-qualified, better than the opposition," said Dave Wheat, 68, of Duluth, Minn., who was shot down in October 1965 and imprisoned by the Viet Cong for more than seven years.

"Barack Obama repeatedly scares the hell out of me because of his naivete," Mr. Swindle said. "He has no qualifications for the job other than that he's a hell of a nice guy."

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Play Fellow POW speaks about Sen. John McCain

Mr. McCain, a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War, was imprisoned in camps for almost six years after being shot down in his fighter plane on Oct. 26, 1967.

He has not faced the military opposition that helped sink the 2004 presidential campaign of Democrat John Kerry, a fellow Vietnam veteran.


BARBARA L. SALISBURY/THE WASHINGTON TIMES "We knew [John McCain] as an equal," said Vietnam War veteran Rob Knutson of Thompson Falls, Mont., who was shot down on the same day as Mr. McCain.

Fellow former prisoners of war said Mr. McCain's experience of torture and captivity stands as an undeniable testament to his character, toughness and patriotism that Mr. Obama cannot touch.

Former POWs interviewed by The Washington Times said they were hoping for a few moments in private with Mr. McCain.

"Everyone wants to tug at his coat and tell him,'Gee, you ought to do this,'" said John L. Borling, 68, a former POW from Rockford, Ill. "We'll be respectful and cautious with respect to offering gratuitous ideas."

"Each of us will carry not only a personal message of support, but we've probably got a favorite thought or two that we want to be able to share privately," he said.

The stories that have been published by many POW's during those years stated that much of the torture and beatings were done on an individual basis, NOT group sessions. Sen. McCains scars on his back and arms were certainly not self inflicted. After the last 8 years, when you think the far left can't get any lower, you come up with "he wasn't tortured." Boy, you guys walk in wheel rut!

GOP LIES wrote:

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States...Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.[...]
I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate...I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.
It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.
I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right...I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be.[...]
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,16485...

You never mention that this is the opinion of Dr. Phillip Butler, a former POW with McCain. It is just that, an opinion. If you read the whole story (not just your editied version), it is pretty positive about Senator McCain.

GOP LIES wrote:

How religion guides Palin
"...When Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin promised to lead the nation with a "servant's heart," evangelical Christians immediately recognized her as one of their own....Just as McCain's politics are largely shaped by his experience as a prisoner of war and Obama's by his embrace of his racial identity, Palin's approach has been shaped by her relationship with God. Palin sees her government work as paling in comparison to a greater mission....conservative Christian voters had been uneasy about McCain, doubting his commitment to fighting abortion. For them, the choice of Palin as his running mate removes doubt, as they know Palin's position on the issue is sealed by her faith.
...she would spend nearly three decades in the Assemblies of God church, the nation's largest Pentecostal denomination and the church of former U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft....she remains connected to the Assemblies of God, addressing pastors' conferences and ministry students.
Many of Palin's beliefs mirror those of evangelical Christians...Gifts of the spirit include speaking in tongues, prophesy and faith healing. The churches she has attended also embrace dispensation, a theological system that emphasizes man's dominion over the earth and the end times—theology that could potentially shape a believer's environmental and foreign policies.
"When she talks about using up our non-renewable resources, drilling on the North Slope and building the pipeline, it's almost with glee because in a sense it doesn't matter," said Nancy Hardesty, a professor of religion at Clemson University in South Carolina. "All her brand of Christians may be gone before those things run out. It tends to lessen a long-term view."...believers look to Israel for signs of the coming end times and where they are in God's plan. That would undoubtedly influence Palin's approach to foreign policy, McGraw said....
"I believe Sarah would not live in a fragmented world," he said. "The idea that Sarah would take this huge influence of the worldview that really only the Bible and the relationship with Jesus opens up ... and suddenly marginalize it and put it over on the shelf somewhere and live apart from it—that would be entirely inconsistent."...
According to a brief biography of Palin published in April, she began to feel as she matured that the messages from the pulpit were intended for her...."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworl...

Another masterful job of editing to skewer the story. Hey, what about Joe Biden and his relationship with the Catholic Churce? Does that cause issues for you also?

I'm trying to figure out the difference between Jesse Ventura and Sarah Palin. Ok, Sarah has better legs, but isn't she just as whacky as Ventura?

Sarah is a whack job. If you want to vote for McCain, go ahead, but at least admit I'm right when I call Sarah a whack job.

In fact, Jesse Ventura had his personal life more under control than she does.

Sarah is the kind of person who'd accidentally press the wrong button, blow the Middle-East into eternity, go to bed, and the next morning while jogging when she hears about it on her Walkman would go, "Ooops!"

ricland
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Ric Ricland wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the difference between Jesse Ventura and Sarah Palin. Ok, Sarah has better legs, but isn't she just as whacky as Ventura?
Sarah is a whack job. If you want to vote for McCain, go ahead, but at least admit I'm right when I call Sarah a whack job.
In fact, Jesse Ventura had his personal life more under control than she does.
Sarah is the kind of person who'd accidentally press the wrong button, blow the Middle-East into eternity, go to bed, and the next morning while jogging when she hears about it on her Walkman would go, "Ooops!"
ricland
powmccain.org

Most people on topix think your a whack job!

Ric Ricland wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the difference between Jesse Ventura and Sarah Palin. Ok, Sarah has better legs, but isn't she just as whacky as Ventura?
Sarah is a whack job. If you want to vote for McCain, go ahead, but at least admit I'm right when I call Sarah a whack job.
In fact, Jesse Ventura had his personal life more under control than she does.
Sarah is the kind of person who'd accidentally press the wrong button, blow the Middle-East into eternity, go to bed, and the next morning while jogging when she hears about it on her Walkman would go, "Ooops!"
ricland
powmccain.org

Once proven a liar, you are always a liar.

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

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Most people on topix think your a whack job!

McK N McQ .com.orgods

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Ric Ricland wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the difference between Jesse Ventura and Sarah Palin. Ok, Sarah has better legs, but isn't she just as whacky as Ventura?
Sarah is a whack job. If you want to vote for McCain, go ahead, but at least admit I'm right when I call Sarah a whack job.
In fact, Jesse Ventura had his personal life more under control than she does.
Sarah is the kind of person who'd accidentally press the wrong button, blow the Middle-East into eternity, go to bed, and the next morning while jogging when she hears about it on her Walkman would go, "Ooops!"
ricland
powmccain.org

O^2ma ? babe ?

where is Collin Power !?!

i vote 4 him ?

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TNT wrote:

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Once proven a liar, you are always a liar.

look in the mirror lately typing about liar !!

that 1 to kNow 2 ?

;-)))))))))

RR....Still panhandling on the net with your cut and paste site eh?

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

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Most people on topix think your a whack job!

I am.

And that's why you'll never see me running for vice president.

ricland

Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:

To you from Col. Bud Day.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1209516068474...
From the Washington Times:
Ex-POWs say McCain experience clear
Jon Ward (Contact)
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
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ST. PAUL, Minn.| There are 24 of them here, the men who went through hell with John McCain in Vietnamese prison camps four decades ago.
A few are politicking and organizing, but most are here simply to support the man they say represents a choice for America between honor and image.
"There is a waning sense of honor and duty ... and that is troubling. And this election may be all about that very thing," said Orson Swindle, who was a cellmate with Mr. McCain for two years in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison camp.
"Do we want to have an 'American Idol' election, or do we want to elect a man who is capable of doing great things and solving big problems?" said Mr. Swindle, one of several speakers who will formally nominate Mr. McCain for president Wednesday.
Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, is viewed by Mr. McCain's "band of brothers" with a mixture of paternal condescension and disbelief that the younger man has drawn massive popular support.
"In my mind, there's no choice.[Mr. McCain is] so well-qualified, better than the opposition," said Dave Wheat, 68, of Duluth, Minn., who was shot down in October 1965 and imprisoned by the Viet Cong for more than seven years.
"Barack Obama repeatedly scares the hell out of me because of his naivete," Mr. Swindle said. "He has no qualifications for the job other than that he's a hell of a nice guy."
Brightcove Video
Play Fellow POW speaks about Sen. John McCain
Mr. McCain, a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War, was imprisoned in camps for almost six years after being shot down in his fighter plane on Oct. 26, 1967.
He has not faced the military opposition that helped sink the 2004 presidential campaign of Democrat John Kerry, a fellow Vietnam veteran.
BARBARA L. SALISBURY/THE WASHINGTON TIMES "We knew [John McCain] as an equal," said Vietnam War veteran Rob Knutson of Thompson Falls, Mont., who was shot down on the same day as Mr. McCain.
Fellow former prisoners of war said Mr. McCain's experience of torture and captivity stands as an undeniable testament to his character, toughness and patriotism that Mr. Obama cannot touch.
Former POWs interviewed by The Washington Times said they were hoping for a few moments in private with Mr. McCain.
"Everyone wants to tug at his coat and tell him,'Gee, you ought to do this,'" said John L. Borling, 68, a former POW from Rockford, Ill. "We'll be respectful and cautious with respect to offering gratuitous ideas."
"Each of us will carry not only a personal message of support, but we've probably got a favorite thought or two that we want to be able to share privately," he said.
The stories that have been published by many POW's during those years stated that much of the torture and beatings were done on an individual basis, NOT group sessions. Sen. McCains scars on his back and arms were certainly not self inflicted. After the last 8 years, when you think the far left can't get any lower, you come up with "he wasn't tortured." Boy, you guys walk in wheel rut!

First of all, the article above is factually inaccurate. Swindle wasn't McCain's "cellmate for two years."

Second, torture is not a qualification for the Presidency. Add to this, as I point out on my website below, McCain was only tortured once, and, contrary to the narrative of his Silver Star, he gave in. But even more troubling than this, the narrative of his Silver Star isn't for the one incident McCain describes in his book; it's for incidents of supposed torture McCain himself tells us never happened.

In other words, the John McCain heroism myth has no foundation; it's little more than an urban legend.

ricland
powmccain.org

Ric Ricland wrote:

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I am.
And that's why you'll never see me running for vice president.
ricland

OK, I'll give you that one. I won't run either. Good Luck.

Ric Ricland wrote:

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First of all, the article above is factually inaccurate. Swindle wasn't McCain's "cellmate for two years."
Second, torture is not a qualification for the Presidency. Add to this, as I point out on my website below, McCain was only tortured once, and, contrary to the narrative of his Silver Star, he gave in. But even more troubling than this, the narrative of his Silver Star isn't for the one incident McCain describes in his book; it's for incidents of supposed torture McCain himself tells us never happened.
In other words, the John McCain heroism myth has no foundation; it's little more than an urban legend.
ricland
powmccain.org

Once proven a liar, you are always a liar.

TNT wrote:

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Once proven a liar, you are always a liar.

This isn't logical either.

Let me guess: The voices in your head tell you what to write, right?

ricland

johanson wrote:

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You are a despicable piece of shi*. You may not like Senator McCain, but for you to call his time as a POW a discredit to the United States goes beyond any political attack.
If you read the Code of Conduct to which you refer, you would know that it says to resist to the best of your abilities. When facing torture or being tortured, it could not be expected that no information would be given.
I would love to see you go through the kind of torture Senator McCain went throug and not talk. Hell, you would probably sell out your grandmother if it meant getting a six pack of beer.
Go fu** yourself you little pussy.

Boy you guys sure can not handle the truth can you? McCain spilled his guts in the pow camp! He even admits to it so what is your problem? You morons just can't handle the truth. He was always a looser and he still is.