Iraq wants pullout in 2010

Hey McCain, it isn't a surge if you don't pull them back. It also isn't a surge when troop levels are HIGHER then before the "surge".

Than is called an escalation.

Can we keep Obama in Iraq with his Muslim brethern

The term "open-ended commitment to Iraq" that you use to describe the Bush/McCain perpetual bases plan is pretty dubious.

What is a "commitment to Iraq" that the Iraqis don't share? Sounds like occupation to me.

wilson wrote:

The term "open-ended commitment to Iraq" that you use to describe the Bush/McCain perpetual bases plan is pretty dubious.
What is a "commitment to Iraq" that the Iraqis don't share? Sounds like occupation to me.

He's not flying back! Gonna flip flop his way back here and wearing his "turbine" for protection. HAGD Chicago!

The real terrorists are domestic and one is trying to be chosen for Vice President.

I pray that Senator Obama does not pick Evan Bayh as a running mate. As Governor of Indiana, Bayh perpetuated constitutional and civil rights violations in the following cases then crushed all attempts to publicize them. State of Indiana v. Edwin L. Jones,# 49G069001CF007921, Edwin L. Jones v. Indianapolis Police Department et al, U.S. District Court Southern District of Indiana,# Misc 90-134, Edwin L. Jones v. Indianapolis Police Department, et al, 7th Circuit Court of Appeals,# 91-1594,. Edwin L. Jones v. Indianapolis Police Department, U.S. Supreme Court,# 91-7923. Indiana Supreme Court Disciplinary Commission Complaint against Attorney Ali Talib filed 9-18-92. Evan Bayh has spearheaded attempts to injure me in person and reputation for the last 18 years here in Indianapolis.

The way this is written adds to the evidence that the media is working to help Obama win:

"Belief Growing That Reporters are Trying to Help Obama Win"
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...

Then, we see that the NY Times rejected an OpEd piece by McCain. Here's two links about it:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnym.htm
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/...

Iraq wants pullout? Hitler would have wanted us out of Germany too. You can call it an occupation, but we have had a major presence in Germany since late 1944. I would say that since there have been no major wars in western europe- this is a policy worth considering. Does South Korea compalin about our presence there?

What we see is a junior senator with presidential aspirations attempting to dictate US foreign policy.

The senator clearly lacks an understanding of foreign policy and the regional politics. Were the Americans to pull out by 2010, you'll see a civil war not unlike what we have had in Lebanon. You'll see Iran taking the role of Syria.

Even the Iraqis, see this and are carefully hedging their bets by adding the caveat that any pullout needs to be fluid just in case the situation changes.

McCain and others who have experienced war and understand the realities of the conflict and know that if the American forces leave, there will be a power vacuum and more chaos will ensue.

As many try to make this out as Republican vs Democrat, this race should be about which candidate do you trust?

As Obama caters to our "sound byte" nation, the more we see him in action, the more it concerns me that he and the Democratic party will make matters worse than then blame it on Bush.

If we're to have a Democratic congress, we surely need a Republican President to off set each other. And as a Republican, McCain appears to be a centralist.

I guess actually WINNING is what all liberals despise.

They like the thought of bombs going off in markets, killing hundreds.

Liberals love mass murder as long as the murderers hate America, and they never try to stop it.(Of course, mass murderers that hate communism must be eliminated with all speed.)

Now, instead of wiping out the terrorists, Obama wants to be nice to them. Typical.

Now, Obama spends a day in Iraq and he is anointed an expert.

This is liberalism at its finest.

The White House will say/do anything to discredit the new, fresh approach that Sen. Obama brings to the table. They appear to be so reactive as opposed to proactive and to see similarities between Sen. Obama's ideas and what the Iraqi government ideas are just too much for them to stomach. Sounds like the man w/a viable plan!

Clarence - the man is a Christian - get off the hatred man - you come off as uneducated.

Sounds like racism isnt dead - huh Clarence from willow Springs! SOunds like a Neo-Nazi over there!

Mike wrote:

Iraq wants pullout? Hitler would have wanted us out of Germany too. You can call it an occupation, but we have had a major presence in Germany since late 1944. I would say that since there have been no major wars in western europe- this is a policy worth considering. Does South Korea compalin about our presence there?

The allied forces agreed to unconditional surrender at their Casablanca conference, so no "early pull out" or negotiated surrender could occur. The US kept an occupying force through 1946 and then reduced its presence. They have maintained a strong presence due to the Cold War Soviet threat as well as helped to form NATO.

With respect to Korea, technically they are still at a state of war with North Korea.

With respect to Iraq, we're an occupying force which has removed their former government, a dictatorship, and in its place, we've helped to create a democracy.(with some strange rules in place) Since Iraq is a sovereign nation, they can ask us to leave.

Were we to pull out and withdraw troops too early, I think everyone knows what will happen.

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:

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The allied forces agreed to unconditional surrender at their Casablanca conference, so no "early pull out" or negotiated surrender could occur. The US kept an occupying force through 1946 and then reduced its presence. They have maintained a strong presence due to the Cold War Soviet threat as well as helped to form NATO.
With respect to Korea, technically they are still at a state of war with North Korea.
With respect to Iraq, we're an occupying force which has removed their former government, a dictatorship, and in its place, we've helped to create a democracy.(with some strange rules in place) Since Iraq is a sovereign nation, they can ask us to leave.
Were we to pull out and withdraw troops too early, I think everyone knows what will happen.

Nice to have such an expert to criticize me. I was merely making a laughable point that Hitler would have wanted us out soon, too. It really is not up to the loser to be dictating the policy of the occupier- they are in no position to negotiate.I was trying to say that a long term presence is not without precedent- and it has been successful.
That being said, more than enough of our precious lives have been lost... Declare victory and bring them home.

I always had the impression that Bush/Cheney et al. wanted to help their filthy rich buddies to become entrenched in lucrative contracts in Iraq. Obviously the Iraqis think the same thing and want the US troops out sooner rather than later, too.
If the Bushies had calmed things down in Iraq sooner during Bush's presidency, they probably would have succeeded in gaining their oil buddies some very lucrative, very longlasting contracts. Pathetic.

So McCain was right all along...the troop surge worked. Now what do you have to say BO?

RCS wrote:

So McCain was right all along...the troop surge worked. Now what do you have to say BO?

At first, you denied Maliki said it; now you spin it. I don't think Obama is the One. But George and McCain are getting hoisted by their own petard - or should I say by their own tudball Maliki.

Read the article. The escalation was only one factor.

Maliki is bending George over, and George's last days in office are going to resemble the movie Deliverance in more ways than one.

No wonder McCain has only allowed himself to be seen with the decidinator for less than two minutes (reported on the same Chicago Tribune page).

Maliki is corn holing bush and mcsame but good.

The republican party is nearly extinct.
Let's help it along.

BTW calling Obama a Muslim or a Marxist won't work. In fact it converts people to Obama since they know it's just another republican lie and they are tired of 8 years of republican lies.

Two points. One, we ain't gonna win the Iraq war. We're just in it now, this long, to "save face". No one can save his face and his a-- at the same time, and we're making that unfortunate choice of saving our faces with gusto. The only solution is political. Two, McCain is a loser. He was shot down, so he lost that battle in Vietnam. He was taken prisoner, so there's loss number two. And isn't it widely accepted that Vietnam was the FIRST war the United States ever LOST? That's THREE LOSSES for this buffoon. And we want HIM Commander-in-Chief?? I don't think so. He'll be drop-kicked just like Clinton did Dole, another so-called war hero.

I got a great idea, pull out now, and watch the middle east implode. Screw you. Drill at home. BO come home and drill Michelle.