A Citizen, but 'Natural Born'? McCain's Eligibility to Be President Is Disputed by Professor

buyerbeware wrote:

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Uphold the Constitution. Try reading it.
" I can't find your version of it."

Try the Library of Congress. We all operate under the same version despite your emotional denial.

John McCain did not run for President in 2000. The current President did. " "He ran in the primaries for President of the US. Try reading the news to get your facts straight."

Again, John McCain did not run for President in 2000. Spin all you want, you can't change that fact. John McCain attempted to gain the nomination for a private party (-R's) and failed and never made a ballot.

"Schwartznegger was born in Austria of Austrian parents and immigrated here and eventually took a citizenship test, passed and became a "naturalized" citizen ".

Fair enough.

Now, I know you hate the thought but McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country's borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth.

Stick with what you know. What I hate or do not hate is not it. John McCain is a naturalized citizen no matter how you wash it. His citizenship is by virtue of Congressional action (law) that's what makes him naturalized.

As a Congressional Act stated in 1790 and another reaffirmed in 1795: Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." The State Department says that this law is again honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Thank you for proving what I just told you. The State Department does not grant citizenship. The State Department does not validate citizenship for anyone but those born overseas. Congress does not elect the President, the various States do. That fact tells you everything you need to know.

The key here since you don't seem to understand it is "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

What you don't seem to understand is that an act of law cannot alter the Constitution or it's requirements. That's what amendments to the Constitution do. You should have just learned this in the Heller case.

Since the Supreme Court has never had a case bought before it challenging the legality of this Act - it stands in force.

Nice backstop. Now find yourself an actual argument that is based upon the Constitution.

If that is too difficult for you to understand --tough.

Apparently you've yet to learn that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. How sad.

But the Court case can change it, get that suit in now, if he wins, you will be in a worse position (regardles of how unlikely that may seem).

John McCain was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States, federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States". The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen from birth.

Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a US citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment.

Both men are U.S. Citizens, end of story.

Antony wrote:

John McCain was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States, federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States". The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen from birth.
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a US citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment.
Both men are U.S. Citizens, end of story.

Both are citizens.

To quote you:

"... The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen from birth."

Of course, that part after the dash is only your interpretation. It does not follow the constitution. McCain was not a natural born American, he was naturalized.

I think the Supreme Court got the Heller 2nd Amendment case wrong, but their interpretation will be the law of the land.

Let us hope that the New Hampshire case on this McCain natural born issue is expedited before the RNC; and not dismissed on a trchnicality..

Mr_Bill wrote:

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Of course, that part after the dash is only your interpretation. It does not follow the constitution. McCain was not a natural born American, he was naturalized.

Do you have any idea why this is so difficult to understand? Have Americans become that ignorant of what actually makes us all Americans?

mc aint' is panama born out of the states.

erg wrote:

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Do you have any idea why this is so difficult to understand? Have Americans become that ignorant of what actually makes us all Americans?

Not ignorant, intransigent.

Look at the anti-science stances taken by supposedly educated people.

Americans now subjugate reality to their political beliefs. That is why I call Lying neo-conservatism a SUPERSTITION.