Concealed Carry Under AttackIn The United States Senate

May 26, 2012 Full story: Lucianne.com 48

Sen. Barbara Boxer Looking To Gut Concealed Carry Across America S. 176 strips away shall-issue provisions in every state.

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Left Coast Conservative

Los Gatos, CA

#1 May 26, 2012
This bill is real. It seeks to eliminate shall-issue concealed carry laws by requiring local law enforcement agencies to approve all applications. It wold mandate California-style discretionary issuance practices nationwide.

However, this bill is not much of a threat. It has no cosponsors and has not gotten out of committee in the year and a half since it was proposed. Given the number of states that are shall-issue and the popularity of shall-issue laws, this bill will not pass the Senate, let alone the House. It is a PR bill, meant to demonstrate that Boxer is "doing something" about crime.

As if lawful citizen carrying concealed weapons are a source of crime.
WOOF WOOF____WOOF WOOF

Silver Spring, MD

#2 May 26, 2012
UNCLE SAM has been living with this female dog to long.
It is time for a divorce, the final bye-bye, it's time to kick this mutt to the curb.
Boxer has has been barking her liberal noise at the U.S. citizen for decades and it's time for you Cally's to get her out of office. Even if her regurgitaion of un-U.S. American blah blah blah is thrown out by the Senate, she needs to go; thrown out of office along with the rest of her litter of liberal anti-Constitution curs.
Ludwig

Whitehall, PA

#3 May 26, 2012
I'm honestly not concerned this bill as a chance in hell of going anywhere.
Ban Guns

San Diego, CA

#4 May 26, 2012
Enough of the bloodshed already.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#5 May 26, 2012
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Deadwood

Marshall, WI

#6 May 26, 2012
This commie loud mouth bitch stands for nothing and never has been worth anything from the start.
VN Vet

Hopewell, VA

#7 May 26, 2012
Ban Guns wrote:
Enough of the bloodshed already.
Typical left coast liberal commie. I hope no one comes after your family, and they don't have a gun to defend themselves,just your sorry wussie-azz. Call the police all you want, by the time they get there, your guts will be all over the floor. Perhaps you would beg for mercy and let the bad guys kill your family if they let you live. You are a worthless POS.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#8 May 27, 2012
Someone needs to bitchslap Boxer.

See http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s17...

It was introduced over a year ago, itís dead.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#9 May 27, 2012
Ban Guns wrote:
Enough of the bloodshed already.
What does the California government put in the water? Or, is it the medical marijuana creating a smoky haze?

The bloodshed is caused by the criminals, not law abiding citizens.
Wade

Livingston, LA

#10 May 27, 2012
If you were a criminal, would you feel more secure mugging an individual if they are possibly a concealed weapon carrier, or if the law disallowed concealed carry?
And this from a state that requires a homeowner to run from their dwelling rather than defend it in the case of a home invasion...
Tea Party For Romney

San Diego, CA

#11 May 27, 2012
Every American should be required to carry a gun at all times.
Wade

Livingston, LA

#12 May 27, 2012
Tea Party For Romney wrote:
Every American should be required to carry a gun at all times.
I second that motion.
Left Coast Conservative

Los Gatos, CA

#13 May 27, 2012
Wade wrote:
If you were a criminal, would you feel more secure mugging an individual if they are possibly a concealed weapon carrier, or if the law disallowed concealed carry?
And this from a state that requires a homeowner to run from their dwelling rather than defend it in the case of a home invasion...
Not true! CA law clearly allows the use of deadly force to defend oneself in their home. If the criminal made a forcible entry, CA law allows the homeowner to presume that the criminal has intent to cause great bodily harm or death, and is free to respond in kind. The law clearly states that there is no duty to retreat inside one's home.

That said, once the attack is repelled, then the justification for deadly force is removed. You cannot follow an attacked outside of the home and continue to use deadly force. You cannot use deadly force to defend property. And while using deadly force to defend yourself outside the home is not illegal, concealed weapon licenses are effectively impossible for ordinary people to obtain, so we are essentially disarmed in public.

And so we come to the crux of the issue: being armed in public. Boxer and pretty much all Democrats in California are horrified at the thought of people, even law abiding citizens, being armed in public. This category includes citizens as well as politicians, so shall-issue concealed carry laws will NEVER be passed in this state as either a ballot initiative, or as legislation. Nor will California Democratic Congress-people support national reciprocity. They are even more horrified of people from uncivilized states like Iowa, Oklahoma, or Tennessee carrying weapons in public than they are of the criminal that already are carrying illegally every day. And even though those that are in-the-know at the Calguns Foundation assure me that I am completely wrong on this, I believe that California state legislators would react to a national reciprocity law by repealing California's concealed weapon license law, going no-issue.

Our only hope in this state is the Federal courts, and we have been working hard to nullify or overturn anti-gun laws in California. But there is SO MUCH left to do.
Left Coast Conservative

Los Gatos, CA

#14 May 27, 2012
Wade wrote:
<quoted text>
I second that motion.
I would love to see this proposed, or even a requirement that every American own a gun, just to see Boxer's head explode over the thought, or to hear Joan Peterson jibbering in panic over the thought of everyone carrying in public.

Perhaps if the Obamacare individual mandate is upheld, the next Conservative administration can mandate this?
Wade

Livingston, LA

#15 May 27, 2012
Left Coast Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>Not true! CA law clearly allows the use of deadly force to defend oneself in their home. If the criminal made a forcible entry, CA law allows the homeowner to presume that the criminal has intent to cause great bodily harm or death, and is free to respond in kind. The law clearly states that there is no duty to retreat inside one's home.

That said, once the attack is repelled, then the justification for deadly force is removed. You cannot follow an attacked outside of the home and continue to use deadly force. You cannot use deadly force to defend property. And while using deadly force to defend yourself outside the home is not illegal, concealed weapon licenses are effectively impossible for ordinary people to obtain, so we are essentially disarmed in public.

And so we come to the crux of the issue: being armed in public. Boxer and pretty much all Democrats in California are horrified at the thought of people, even law abiding citizens, being armed in public. This category includes citizens as well as politicians, so shall-issue concealed carry laws will NEVER be passed in this state as either a ballot initiative, or as legislation. Nor will California Democratic Congress-people support national reciprocity. They are even more horrified of people from uncivilized states like Iowa, Oklahoma, or Tennessee carrying weapons in public than they are of the criminal that already are carrying illegally every day. And even though those that are in-the-know at the Calguns Foundation assure me that I am completely wrong on this, I believe that California state legislators would react to a national reciprocity law by repealing California's concealed weapon license law, going no-issue.

Our only hope in this state is the Federal courts, and we have been working hard to nullify or overturn anti-gun laws in California. But there is SO MUCH left to do.
Apparently I was misinformed on the law. Thanks for the info.
Wade

Livingston, LA

#16 May 27, 2012
Left Coast Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>I would love to see this proposed, or even a requirement that every American own a gun, just to see Boxer's head explode over the thought, or to hear Joan Peterson jibbering in panic over the thought of everyone carrying in public.

Perhaps if the Obamacare individual mandate is upheld, the next Conservative administration can mandate this?
Absolutely.

Since: Sep 08

Placitas, NM

#17 May 27, 2012
Wade wrote:
If you were a criminal, would you feel more secure mugging an individual if they are possibly a concealed weapon carrier, or if the law disallowed concealed carry?
And this from a state that requires a homeowner to run from their dwelling rather than defend it in the case of a home invasion...
What nonsense! Section 198.5: Exusable homicide: Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred."
http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/californi...

GUN NUTS ARE!
Wade

Tuscaloosa, AL

#18 May 27, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
<quoted text>What nonsense! Section 198.5: Exusable homicide: Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred."
http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/californi...

GUN NUTS ARE!
See previous posts. Been there done that.
Next.
Wade

Livingston, LA

#19 May 27, 2012
Tea Party For Romney wrote:
Every American should be required to carry a gun at all times.
Can you imagine how dramatically violent crime rates would drop if the criminals knew for a fact that every citizen was armed?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#20 May 28, 2012
Tea Party For Romney wrote:
Every American should be required to carry a gun at all times.
Absolutely not, it should be a choice. We donít like the government telling us where we can carry, who are we to demand others carry? Freedom would be infringed by your proposal.

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