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Roger Wicker

Jun 27, 2008

Why are we all so afraid of allowing gay marriage?

Who knew that marriage needed protecting? Apparently U.S. Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., believes that to be the case. more

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They aren't afraid of Gays getting married. They just MIX alittle of thier Religious BS Dogma,with the "We don't wanna share the word MARRIAGE,and Gay sex is Icky"...stir..and there you have it...American made Bigotry,formed in Discrimination,Bigotry & Religiousity.
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Ammending the constitution to invalidate gay marriage seems like more government involvement in personal lives. I thought conservatives were for less government?
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It's not so much them not wanting to share the word 'marriage' with us, it's them not wanting to share the rights that go with it. They believe they ar the superior beings and that we, as lesser beings, should be made to suffer for our inferiority.

This is much of what fueled the anti-black fervor of earlier years: the belief that they didn't have a right to the same rights and privileges as the "superior" race.

It's all hogwash, but then so is most of everything these people think.

If they Really wanted to protect marriage, they would get heterosexuals out of it. They're the ones screwing it up.
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Confused wrote:
Ammending the constitution to invalidate gay marriage seems like more government involvement in personal lives. I thought conservatives were for less government?
Those are not true conservatives. Those are bible-thumping, non-thinking, hate-filled, bigtos. True conservatives are for less government. I know, cause I are one :)

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Ralph wrote:
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Those are not true conservatives. Those are bible-thumping, non-thinking, hate-filled, bigtos. True conservatives are for less government. I know, cause I are one :)
And I r one too
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Ralph wrote:
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Those are not true conservatives. Those are bible-thumping, non-thinking, hate-filled, bigtos. True conservatives are for less government. I know, cause I are one :)
Ok, so you agree it's just more government involvement?

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Confused wrote:
Ammending the constitution to invalidate gay marriage seems like more government involvement in personal lives. I thought conservatives were for less government?
They are amending the Constitution to protect states that do not want gay marriage from the states where the judges have mandated it.

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I believe deep down the christos are afraid same sex couples will be so successful that it will make the hetros look bad. Same with adopting and caring for children, GLBTs would be so caring most the kids would turn out great,...
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They are amending the Constitution to protect states that do not want gay marriage from the states where the judges have mandated it.
Except this seems like more government involvement in our personal lives. Seems contradictory to the conservative stance surrounding less government involvement in our lives. Agreed?

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They are amending the Constitution to protect states that do not want gay marriage from the states where the judges have mandated it.
Protect? Are you serious? OOOOHHHH - here comes the boogeyman and his name is Gay Marriage. No, it's not protection, it's a way to make bigotry appear "normal" and "right".

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The heteros sure don't know how to protect the so called "sankity of marriage" Sarcasm in spelling. LOL.
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I am so tired of hearing about the gay agenda -- something that I don't know of. I do know that there is a christian agenda... get em while they're young. Camps, summer vacation bible schools, you name it. They recruit and recruit shamelessly. Then blame "the gays" for recruiting. The Army should check their techniques. Maybe the Army could pick up members that way.

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Except this seems like more government involvement in our personal lives. Seems contradictory to the conservative stance surrounding less government involvement in our lives. Agreed?
Marriage is both a personal bond sanctioned by religious organization with no standing in law and a public legal contract between two people (normally a man and a woman).

So saying the government has nothing to do with it is incorrect since you need permission from the government to form and to end the contract.

Why are homosexuals not content to have civil unions and without defying thousands of years of convention by calling it a marriage?

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Marriage is both a personal bond sanctioned by religious organization with no standing in law and a public legal contract between two people (normally a man and a woman).
So saying the government has nothing to do with it is incorrect since you need permission from the government to form and to end the contract.
Why are homosexuals not content to have civil unions and without defying thousands of years of convention by calling it a marriage?
I can answer that one for you. We're not all that interested in the thousands of years of convention, because you may not have known this, but a number of Christian and Jewish congregations opened that convention up to us more than a couple of decades ago. That's right, Lesbian and Gay couples were marrying in the eyes of God long before it became a political issue.

The problems with so-called "civil unions" are really two-fold, the most important is that it's essentailly a made-up term with no basis in law and secondly, a separate and kind of sort of equal classification for our relationships really isn't all that equal. Federal law at present carries absolutely no recognition of civil unions, in any area, all of the laws and regulations written around the recognition of legal relationships use the word marriage which leaves anyone not in a state recognized marriage pretty much out in the cold. As to the separate categorization, the first couple of states that went the civil union route are already rethinking the effectiveness of that decision. It got the separate part right, but equal didn't happen as expected. In New Jersey in particular, a number of buisnesses have refused to offer family benefits to employees in civil unions as federal laws that regulate such benefits only recognize couples in a legal marriage.
Unless the states begin a movement to classify all such legal relationships, gay and straight, as civil unions we're stuck with the one word that already exsists in the law and that is marriage. True equality means that the same law applies to all people not one law for some and another for everyone else....
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Marriage is both a personal bond sanctioned by religious organization with no standing in law and a public legal contract between two people (normally a man and a woman).
So saying the government has nothing to do with it is incorrect since you need permission from the government to form and to end the contract.
Why are homosexuals not content to have civil unions and without defying thousands of years of convention by calling it a marriage?
Yet you still didn't answer my question. Why does the republican establishment feel the need to ammend the constitution to define marriage as a contract between a man and a woman. Seems like more government involvement. Correct? They're for less government involvement. Why the need to more government involvement on this issue
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We are not "afraid" of allowing gay marriage. We do not WANT gay marriage. We also don't WANT polygamy either.

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Why are homosexuals not content to have civil unions and without defying thousands of years of convention by calling it a marriage?
Well here is an option, if some straight people are so offended that gays have marriages, then those couples that are offended should rebel and can have, or change, their marriage to a civil union and distance themselves from having a marriage like a gay couple. Oh, and don't try playing the "but staights had 'marriage' first" card. Times change.

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I think marriage should be up to the church. I do not think government should be involved in marriage at all. To government this is just another way to tax us. If it was up to the church, some would accept it and some would not.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
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I can answer that one for you. We're not all that interested in the thousands of years of convention, because you may not have known this, but a number of Christian and Jewish congregations opened that convention up to us more than a couple of decades ago. That's right, Lesbian and Gay couples were marrying in the eyes of God long before it became a political issue.
The problems with so-called "civil unions" are really two-fold, the most important is that it's essentailly a made-up term with no basis in law and secondly, a separate and kind of sort of equal classification for our relationships really isn't all that equal. Federal law at present carries absolutely no recognition of civil unions, in any area, all of the laws and regulations written around the recognition of legal relationships use the word marriage which leaves anyone not in a state recognized marriage pretty much out in the cold. As to the separate categorization, the first couple of states that went the civil union route are already rethinking the effectiveness of that decision. It got the separate part right, but equal didn't happen as expected. In New Jersey in particular, a number of buisnesses have refused to offer family benefits to employees in civil unions as federal laws that regulate such benefits only recognize couples in a legal marriage.
Unless the states begin a movement to classify all such legal relationships, gay and straight, as civil unions we're stuck with the one word that already exsists in the law and that is marriage. True equality means that the same law applies to all people not one law for some and another for everyone else....
I think society has a right to set the limits of human relationships and for thousands of years we have known the marriage is between a man and a woman.

If society cannot set limits then the results will become far worse than even two men living together and calling themselves married.

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Yet you still didn't answer my question. Why does the republican establishment feel the need to ammend the constitution to define marriage as a contract between a man and a woman.
I thought a did.

Its because of the clause that would force all states to accept gay marriage if one state has it.

The reason the Republicans are doing it is because someone has to represent the views of the majority of the citizens and since the Dems don't the Repubs will.
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