Time for a Military Approach to the Border

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The Notorious Rico wrote:

Republicans won't even fund such a program.

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REWBA wrote:

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There is a difference between the DMZ in Korea and the US/Mexico border. Other than sheer size, North Koreans are aiming guns at south Korea and South Korea is aiming guns back at the North. North Koreans who attempt to cross the DMZ will be shot by North Koreans and South Koreans don't want to go north.
Now try getting the Mexican government to line up their military along the border to stop their citizens from crossing the line. And in order to staff the US military to secure a three thousand mile border, we would have to recruit and train half a million new troops to man the border and use imminent domain to steal land from US citizens along the border so that we can base those troops without violating the third amendment of the Constitution. Could you imagine the outrage from the right if Obama did something stupid like that?

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Annie wrote:

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mexico already has it's guns pointed at us. Time to fight fire with fire. If they won't shoot their citizens who try to come here illegally; then I guess we have to.
Ask any American who lives on the border if they would rather have the drug cartels on their land or the American military. Shouldn't be a tough question.
We have plenty of trained military protecting countries around the world; time to come home and defend us here.

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Annie wrote:

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mexico already has it's guns pointed at us. Time to fight fire with fire. If they won't shoot their citizens who try to come here illegally; then I guess we have to.
Ask any American who lives on the border if they would rather have the drug cartels on their land or the American military. Shouldn't be a tough question.
We have plenty of trained military protecting countries around the world; time to come home and defend us here.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Just because you misread a report on the internet does not make it true.
Did you read the BIG BOLD PRINT PART where it stated that this in no way was a part of any government's policy?
Which parts of reality are you willing ot accept?

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Annie wrote:

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mexico already has it's guns pointed at us. Time to fight fire with fire. If they won't shoot their citizens who try to come here illegally; then I guess we have to.
Ask any American who lives on the border if they would rather have the drug cartels on their land or the American military. Shouldn't be a tough question.
We have plenty of trained military protecting countries around the world; time to come home and defend us here.

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Independent patriot wrote:

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Guess you don't know about the parts of it that have been and are being implemented. Too bad. It doesn't have to be government policy to be implemented. It's just the next step after NAFTA. Bush, the president of Mexico, and the premire of Canada met and hammered out details without the consent of Congress.
Napolitano has already been to Mexico to work out agreements concerning 'preferred traveler' IDs to Mexicans wanting to work in the USA. Congressional approval wasn't sought or received. The last step will be to remove our southern border, and that's what Obama and Co. are pushing for, and why the border remains open to Mexicans.
Mexico sure likes the idea. Vicente Fox admitted that the North American Union was inevitable, and that he and Bush talked about the Amero replacing the dollar and the peso. Mexico is fortifying its southern border according to the CFR's report plan, which puzzled Americans who want their own border fortified. When you read the CFR plan, everything crazy and illegal that's happening makes all the sense in the world. Guess things are going along without your knowing about them.
About the North American Union - all you have to do is look at Europe.
50 years ago, a "European Economic Community" (EEC) was started, initially as a set of trade agreements (just like NAFTA and CAFTA).
Later it became the European Community (EC), with lots of government responsibilities transferred from the individual nations to the EC. Shortly after, it became the European Union (EU), which pretty much has its own government that can overrule the nations.
The EU has its own constitution that obsoletes all the national constitutions of its members. Our Constitution (along with our rights and freedoms) will become null and void under the North American Union. The EU commission (basically the equivalent of a country's cabinet) is not democratically elected.
There is every indication that NAFTA, CAFTA and NAU will be the exact same thing.
“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
--Henry Kissinger, 1978

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Independent patriot wrote:

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Guess you don't know about the parts of it that have been and are being implemented. Too bad. It doesn't have to be government policy to be implemented. It's just the next step after NAFTA. Bush, the president of Mexico, and the premire of Canada met and hammered out details without the consent of Congress.
Napolitano has already been to Mexico to work out agreements concerning 'preferred traveler' IDs to Mexicans wanting to work in the USA. Congressional approval wasn't sought or received. The last step will be to remove our southern border, and that's what Obama and Co. are pushing for, and why the border remains open to Mexicans.
Mexico sure likes the idea. Vicente Fox admitted that the North American Union was inevitable, and that he and Bush talked about the Amero replacing the dollar and the peso. Mexico is fortifying its southern border according to the CFR's report plan, which puzzled Americans who want their own border fortified. When you read the CFR plan, everything crazy and illegal that's happening makes all the sense in the world. Guess things are going along without your knowing about them.
About the North American Union - all you have to do is look at Europe.
50 years ago, a "European Economic Community" (EEC) was started, initially as a set of trade agreements (just like NAFTA and CAFTA).
Later it became the European Community (EC), with lots of government responsibilities transferred from the individual nations to the EC. Shortly after, it became the European Union (EU), which pretty much has its own government that can overrule the nations.
The EU has its own constitution that obsoletes all the national constitutions of its members. Our Constitution (along with our rights and freedoms) will become null and void under the North American Union. The EU commission (basically the equivalent of a country's cabinet) is not democratically elected.
There is every indication that NAFTA, CAFTA and NAU will be the exact same thing.
“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
--Henry Kissinger, 1978

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Can you show me where the EU agreements invalidate the individual member country's constitutions? That would be a real trick idf you could produce that...
They didn't even make a governing monetary policy board, which is one of the main reasons their common crrency is in trouble.
you really don't understand any of these crazy things you read on the interwb, do you? just keep parroting what you read...you'll be fine...the rest of society will keep taking care of you....

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Wow! you beleive all the crap you read on the internet, don't you?
you're living in a conspiracy theory fantasy land.
Shiny side out....

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Independent patriot wrote:

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Do your own research. You don't want to know, anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time on you.
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Right, believe what you want to believe. I bought the book years ago, sparky. I've got sources and all you have is whistling in the dark and taking childish, ineffective shots at the messenger. ROTFL! As I said, it has been going on for decades and still goes on without you knowing about it.
“The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.”
- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report
“The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.”
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

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Independent patriot wrote:

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Do your own research. You don't want to know, anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time on you.
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Right, believe what you want to believe. I bought the book years ago, sparky. I've got sources and all you have is whistling in the dark and taking childish, ineffective shots at the messenger. ROTFL! As I said, it has been going on for decades and still goes on without you knowing about it.
“The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.”
- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report
“The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.”
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

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REWBA wrote:

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Are you prepared? Do you have large stockpiles of shelf stable food and drinking water? A doomsday shelter? Firearms and ammo?

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>I like the moniker. Are you familiar with the "Don't panic" mantra?(and do you have your towel?)

REWBA wrote:

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"A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-bogglingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.
More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with." ~~ Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Independent patriot wrote:

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Do your own research. You don't want to know, anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time on you.
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Right, believe what you want to believe. I bought the book years ago, sparky. I've got sources and all you have is whistling in the dark and taking childish, ineffective shots at the messenger. ROTFL! As I said, it has been going on for decades and still goes on without you knowing about it.
“The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.”
- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report
“The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.”
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

PayThat CEO wrote:

It was time for a military approach to the the border 10 years ago after 9/11. Why would ANY president stand in front of the nation and tell us that we were under international terrorist threats and then do absolutely nothing to secure the southern border of this country?
Bush allowed more than 12 million illegal immigrants to invade this nation because they served as cheap labor for a booming housing market. Not a single one of those people should have crossed into the United States if we were truly being protected from terrorism. God only knows how many terrorist could have (or even did) use the Rio Grande to walk into the U.S.
Now that every poverty-stricken Mexican, Guatamalan and Honduran on the planet has set up housekeeping and bore little American babies, you all suddenly want Obama to round them all up and send them back where they came from. NOW you want guns on the borders.
Why weren't people screaming for guns on the borders when terrorists were the threat-flavor of the week? Why didn't the government worry about all those cheaply paid Mexican construction workers who supported that falsely generated housing market?
For what it's worth, why did everyone's hero, Ronnie Reagan give amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegals? You two-faced wingnuts will use and abuse anyone for your own gain and then blame everyone else for the fallout when you're done.

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Get 'er done!